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**Azazelx**

Joyboozer wrote:
Wait, does that mean figures would be available to buy retail at the same time?

As each "wave" within the KS gets completed, they will go onto retail sale.

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That's completely fine, mate. I'm not trying to talk you into dropping your pledge or anything, and as I've stated, I'm happy to sit on my EB until the end. What I'm really getting at is that the majority of the pledges at this stage are essentially speculative ones, which would be hopeful of getting some nice sweeteners. The fact that we've hit a shade short of $300k (from a "goal" of $12k) and the sweeteners so far are a couple of extra heads and weapons (which would/will be included at retail anyway, let's be real - look at Asharah), and a torso/half model, and it's not really very impressive.

So yeah, they need to do a lot better over the next month, because companies like Victoria Miniatures, Maxmini, Kromlech, Scibor, Raging Heroes(!), GW, Warlord and quite a few others have stuff I also want to buy right now...

**Vermillion**

Jimsolo wrote:
Azazelx wrote:

Well, look at it this way. A real investment from a bank comes with a shirtload of legal requirements, and a healthy chunk of interest that needs to be paid back. KS comes with far fewer requirements, even when you take into consideration the % that amazon, visa and KS themselves skim off the top.

From my consumer perspective, I see it like this. I have a nice little selection of RH models already, but there's more stuff on their website I'd like to get. I could happily buy another of their Manticores and a bunch of their other figures right now. The difference would essentially be that I'd be paying slightly more for the products, slightly less for the shipping, and I'd have my items in 3 weeks. I can then buy the KS models for not that much more than the KS price once they hit retail next year. If they want my money for a pre-order that far in advance, they need to incentivise it. If I wanted to give money to a project purely for the sake of altruism, I'd be donating to build water wells in Africa. Besides, Sedition Wars has shown us that no matter how "high quality, boutique" etc someone's reputation is, there are no guarantees in KS. Mantic has shown us that *Actual product may have no relationship to concept art. Dreamforge and Red Box and Reaper (and Sedition Wars, again) have shown us that Projected delivery dates may have no relationship to actual delivery dates. So there's always a risk, and while, for example, my educated guess is that I think we're probably safe from the first two on this KS, the latter is certainly one of concern, especially given how fast the expectations of this KS were blown away - even if they have 2 foundries at the ready. Besides, if you don't have a local(ish) FLGS, we'll be waiting a loooong time for our figures to ship. The only store in Australia, for example is located on the other side of the continent. Think LA to NYC.

You make several excellent points. I can even concede that you occupy the position of rationality now. I, however, continue to occupy the extremist position of the starstruck fanboy. I've wanted a (small) female army for 40k for a great deal of time, and now that it is within my grasp I just cannot wait.

I was already prepared for a long wait though, especially with the delivery times. I've had to order a couple things from the Europe before and it always takes forever to get to me. No worries though. For quality like this, I can wait!

Heh I have to agree. I don't touch sci-fi stuff yet was excited by TGG stuff

I'm also looking at it this way as a consumer;

It is a bit of a saving on retail still and a long term preorder, that little bit of a saving also gets me some freebies in with it as a bonus. RH doesn't get 100% of the KS funds so what they can do as freebies/discount will have to be economical due to the nature of a business just as with any KS. For the the store thing is a positive issue as I have one nearby, if I didn;t then yeah can see that if I had to wait and retail had them I'd be dissapointed to say the least, so have again passed on that azazelx

What I'm really getting at is that the majority of the pledges at this stage are essentially speculative ones, which would be hopeful of getting some nice sweeteners. The fact that we've hit a shade short of $300k (from a "goal" of $12k) and the sweeteners so far are a couple of extra heads and weapons (which would/will be included at retail anyway, let's be real - look at Asharah), and a torso/half model, and it's not really very impressive.

So yeah, they need to do a lot better over the next month, because companies like Victoria Miniatures, Maxmini, Kromlech, Scibor, Raging Heroes(!), GW, Warlord and quite a few others have stuff I also want to buy right now...

Well, I'm skint 99% of the time, and unfortunately was out when the KS started for a good few hours (yeah don't ask :( ) so I missed the pledge level that frankly I would have chomped at within seconds of seeing and as the amount went up it pushed it past what I can afford right now (perhaps that'll change in the next month ofc depending on what I need to pay out) so I chanced my luck and asked if anything else pledgewise would be added for $xxx amount even if it differs from what is currently in that amount. As a reply I got:

I'm afraid not
They were early bird specials, and flew off the shelves within the first hour... However, you may want to keep a close eye on the project, perhaps things may become interesting for you later on during the Kickstarter... I'm not trying to tease you, I just don't know for sure yet how it will all turn out...

Now they have already said they WILL be doing one where it is mainly the heroines up for grabs as a pledge, so it shows that RH are happy to listen to feedback and adjust, there is hope for you yet

And also as I don;t do sci fi the All three Brunhildes deal and The von Königsmark Limited Edition Box are both much more useful immediately for me personally so can understand the dilemma you have about spend now and get now, or spend now and get later.

**Herzlos**

Joyboozer wrote:
Wait, does that mean figures would be available to buy retail at the same time?

I doubt it, it just means if you're near a dropzone you can collect your KS figures in waves.

Which makes sense I guess; It reduces their warehousing load and keeps backers happy in exchange for a bit more paperwork. If everything goes out at the end they are going to have to store a lot of figures for a long time and spend a lot of time packing and shipping at the end.

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Vermillion wrote:

Well, I'm skint 99% of the time, and unfortunately was out when the KS started for a good few hours (yeah don't ask :( ) so I missed the pledge level that frankly I would have chomped at within seconds of seeing and as the amount went up it pushed it past what I can afford right now (perhaps that'll change in the next month ofc depending on what I need to pay out) so I chanced my luck and asked if anything else pledgewise would be added for $xxx amount even if it differs from what is currently in that amount. As a reply I got:

I'm afraid not
They were early bird specials, and flew off the shelves within the first hour... However, you may want to keep a close eye on the project, perhaps things may become interesting for you later on during the Kickstarter... I'm not trying to tease you, I just don't know for sure yet how it will all turn out...

I imagine plenty of the EB pledges for the level you want will open up over the next month. They may not stay around for very long though.

I think the majority of them will have been speculative pledges allowing the backer the option to keep it or change it at leisure once more information is available.

For instance, I got a Commander EB, and dropped it to Lieutenant EB when one became available, and depending on the deal I may drop it down to the painter or single hero pledge and get stuff at retail.

There are plenty of things I can use the money for right now, so I'll need to wait and see if the deal is good enough for me to want to pay a year in advance (I'm not expecting it to be even vaguely on time, as very few kickstarters manage that especially at this scale).

**DaveC**

Quick question if anyone knows the troops are currently going to be spin cast resin any one know who is manufacturing them?

**AlexHolker**

Azazelx wrote:
See, to me the prices on the troopers are quite reasonable in the KS. $15 for 5/$30 for 10? I find that to be very reasonable, considering the competition (not just GW, either). I'm not likely to be starting a whole army with RH models, but they can be incorporated into my Pan-Everything Imperial Guard of many colours and used for skirmish games.

The basic infantry ($40 RRP/$30 discounted) are the same price as Goldswords ($39.27 RRP/$29.46 discounted). That is not a reasonable price.

**scarletsquig**

They're metal, though.

You can only discount metal so far before you start making a loss, due to the cost of the raw material.

Same goes for resin, only due to labour costs more than material costs.

They'll need to unlock the plastic sprue tooling before prices can be lowered further.

**Azazelx**

AlexHolker wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
See, to me the prices on the troopers are quite reasonable in the KS. $15 for 5/$30 for 10? I find that to be very reasonable, considering the competition (not just GW, either). I'm not likely to be starting a whole army with RH models, but they can be incorporated into my Pan-Everything Imperial Guard of many colours and used for skirmish games.

The basic infantry ($40 RRP/$30 discounted) are the same price as Goldswords ($39.27 RRP/$29.46 discounted). That is not a reasonable price.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Based on the quality of the RH stuff I have, I find $3/figure to be quite reasonable for quality R&F. I used to buy the GW metal IG boxes of 10 figures for AU$30, but that was also around 1996.

My understanding is that the R&F in this KS are going to be spin-cast plastic - ie Restic. Characters are metal.

**Valhallan42nd**

Breotan wrote:
I addressed much of the nonsense and ragequit posting last December in the Malifaux RPG kickstarter thread. Here it is again for your enjoyment.

Breotan wrote:
The standard for pledging should be, "Am I getting my money's worth for what is being offered in this kickstarter?"
Anyone who pulls their pledge because the owners aren't engaging in the best customer service in the world are really missing the point. You don't give up any money until the end of the kickstarter. Just ignore all the stupidity on the forums, come back in a month, take a look at where everything stands and THEN make a decision based on the suggestion I offered back in Dec.

OMG, this. I thought there was angst in MMO forums; clearly:

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A calm head will see you through here, folks.

**Mathieu Raymond**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Honestly, from a few interactions with them on Facebook, they were just as annoying in French. It came across as if they felt entitled to the adulation of the masses.

I'm in, but not sure if I'll stay.

Not that I disagree but what gave the impression of arrogance? Besides, you know, being French?

Being told that I really shouldn't question anything that they do or how they do it because their minis are awesome, and so what if they have more completion delays?

And please understand, I really enjoy you as a person, so this is not directed at you in any way shape or form.

**tre manor**

I just wanted to say that the items shown on the page are indeed only renders. These are not the actual prints.

**Alpharius**

I'm just glad we finally got an update - and it was a good one!

This bit here though:

Will the distance between stretch goals or the value of them lessen a bit if backing slows down?

Well, before we left for home yesterday, we slightly upped the stretch goal intervals because we had no way of knowing what might happen while we were sleeping, and we did not want to leave pledgers with nothing to look for if the surge had continued.

They would have been better off ignoring that one and not posting that 'explanation' because while we can't 'know for sure', I think we all 'know' what the real reason was!

However, as this one slows down and settles into a daily rhythm I'm positive we'll see more 'free' miniatures, freebies, bonuses, etc. - because that is the best way to keep this one surging forward.

The idea of a 'character' tank gunner is great though, as I'd have to think we'll see characters on motorbikes and possibly mechs too!

**Crimson**

tre manor wrote:
I just wanted to say that the items shown on the page are indeed only renders. These are not the actual prints.

And that's fine, but there are only renders of five models, most is only concept art. There is absolutely no way I will pledge on anything based on concept art alone.

Also, as many people plan to use these along with miniatures from other companies, some size comparison shots would be rather essential.

**Krinsath**

Crimson wrote:
tre manor wrote:
I just wanted to say that the items shown on the page are indeed only renders. These are not the actual prints.

And that's fine, but there are only renders of five models, most is only concept art. There is absolutely no way I will pledge on anything based on concept art alone.

Also, as many people plan to use these along with miniatures from other companies, some size comparison shots would be rather essential.

Size comparisons have been done, here's one from the "raging heroes scale" Google Image Search:

Spoiler:

They're the right size, and the "render-to-mini" accuracy of Raging Heroes has historically been spot on.

**Crimson**

Krinsath wrote:

Size comparisons have been done, here's one from the "raging heroes scale" Google Image Search:

Spoiler:

Yes, I've seen that picture, but some of their models are much smaller (I think the Dark Elves?) and there was a great deal of discussion about the scale before this thing launched.

They're the right size, and the "render-to-mini" accuracy of Raging Heroes has historically been spot on.

I wouldn't call almost head taller 'right size.' If they're that big I certainly wont want them.

As for the renders and concept art, I know they're rather accurate, but it is still not the same, especially for multi-part kits.

**RoninXiC**

"almost head taller" is not a way to describe a miniatures.
A head taller than what?
GW Minis are horribly proportioned and usually have nothing in common with "real life" people.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Honestly, from a few interactions with them on Facebook, they were just as annoying in French. It came across as if they felt entitled to the adulation of the masses.

I'm in, but not sure if I'll stay.

Not that I disagree but what gave the impression of arrogance? Besides, you know, being French?

Being told that I really shouldn't question anything that they do or how they do it because their minis are awesome, and so what if they have more completion delays?

And please understand, I really enjoy you as a person, so this is not directed at you in any way shape or form.

Not at all Mathieu, I've enjoyed our correspondence and I didn't think your comment was in any way coming back on me, it'd probably be fair, I'm an arrogant ******* and I know it, but arrogant is something I try to avoid when I'm street teaming for a company, and I like to think, outside of the Herald stuff I've posted I've been fairly critical myself of some of the decisions made in this KS so far, so it was more just wanting to get further detail on your experience to add to the info file.

**Inquisitor Wappellious**

Here is a figure that I am using for my Gold NMM painting video. It was cast in metal, but was very easy to prep and assemble. I had a blast painting it!

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/06/brunhilde-for-gold.html

I am very much looking forward to having a squad of bikes as Rough Riders. I just hope that they make a suitable figure to use as Mogul Khamir!

Also, given the theme of my army (see the thread in painting showcase), I was directed towards Victoria Lamb for my conscripts. The idea was that they would be great highlander figures. I checked those out, and they were not leading me astray

**inqscott**

If that the size they will fit in very well with dreamforge troopers my evil plans grows for the iron empire toopers

**Crimson**

RoninXiC wrote:
"almost head taller" is not a way to describe a miniatures.
A head taller than what?
GW Minis are horribly proportioned and usually have nothing in common with "real life" people.

Other models in the pic were GW models, so obviously head taller than them. And I'm sure many people plan to use these in their IG armies, so comparison with them is relevant. I'm sure many people also plan to use them with Dreamforge models, so comparison with them would be relevant as well.

In any case, it kinda bugs me if things that are sold as 28mm miniatures are actually 33 or 35mm miniatures.

I can't be arsed to dig though the old thread, but many people were concerned about the scale issue, and RH said they take these concerns in account when designing these new models. I'd like to see how big the standard troopers actually are, that is hardly an unreasonable request.

**Ouze**

Indeed - perhaps one of the many Heralds could relay that people really, really want to see the scale of standard troopers, even if it's just a render of a 3d model next to an image of a IG Cadian (or the silhouette thereof).

**KalashnikovMarine**

Your request has been transmitted.

**Krinsath**

Crimson wrote:
RoninXiC wrote:
"almost head taller" is not a way to describe a miniatures.
A head taller than what?
GW Minis are horribly proportioned and usually have nothing in common with "real life" people.

Other models in the pic were GW models, so obviously head taller than them. And I'm sure many people plan to use these in their IG armies, so comparison with them is relevant. I'm sure many people also plan to use them with Dreamforge models, so comparison with them would be relevant as well.

In any case, it kinda bugs me if things that are sold as 28mm miniatures are actually 33 or 35mm miniatures.

I can't be arsed to dig though the old thread, but many people were concerned about the scale issue, and RH said they take these concerns in account when designing these new models. I'd like to see how big the standard troopers actually are, that is hardly an unreasonable request.

I agree that RH can only help themselves by doing it, because their assurances that the characters models are larger than rank-and-file (and all the models shown in that picture are characters) will not be enough in the long-haul. With Dystopian War's little incident fresh in the market's mind, it's certainly a valid concern.

Out of curiosity, does GW's practice of marketing 32mm models as 28mm bother you as well?

**keltikhoa**

Vermillion wrote:
Azazelx wrote:

Now, how much money do we need for One Shot Blondie (( We WANTS it!)

I wants the preciousness too

As appealing as One Shot Blondie is.... that silhouette for Mortaria Noctis Hitwoman is extremely enticing to me

As for the freebie... I can understand a model made tailored to customer requests. It does seem a bit odd that they would release a freebie model that you would be unable to use with the rest of all the models they have featured in the KS. (IE: No tanks

)

Not entirely sure what I will do with a torso gal... the only option I have currently would be to put her on a Battlewagon. that could be interesting

**Minx**

Iirc they (RH) plan(ed) to show us size comparison pictures and actual sculpts during the one month long kickstarter. I can't find the corresponding post though.
Perhaps the heralds know more about that.

**Crimson**

Krinsath wrote:

Out of curiosity, does GW's practice of marketing 32mm models as 28mm bother you as well?

Cadians are about 28mm to their eye level, which is what 28mm traditionally means.

**Denkstrum**

Here is a picture I took earlier for scale purposes. Two things to note: the RH figure isn't mounted flush to the base, so it's a little higher than it should be, and secondly, RH said troops will be slightly shorter than the hero figures.

**Inquisitor Wappellious**

I have been posting size comparison images all through the thread and on the KS, but they obviously get buried in the pages of posts and comments very rapidly.

Here are a few shots of the Dark Eldar figs:

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/03/sci-fi-vestals-from-raging-heroes.html

This is Asharah from my Adepticon army. I used the left over bits from her to convert the Kabal warriors into Incubi.

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/04/asharahs-full-retinue.html

I am going to shoot more images of my RH wyches with the GW versions, and post those over the next few days...

Also, I should emphasize that the many posts I have done in the Painting & Modeling section are almost all GW figs. The reason I gravitated to RH was my frustrations with FW, Failcast, and so on

When I was looking for miniatures to use for the painting videos, RH was a natural choice, given the detail, and so on.

**Minx**

Inquisitor Wappellious wrote:
I have been posting size comparison images all through the thread and on the KS, but they obviously get buried in the pages of posts and comments very rapidly.

It's the size of the new miniatures some people are worried about. I've got the Königsmark sisters on my desk and i like their scale. If the new troops will be slightly shorter or at most of the same height that would work for me.

Edit: Judging from this post made earlier in this very thread i am sure we don't need to worry though.

**Inquisitor Wappellious**

Since the new troop boxes are resin, and in units of 5 each (unique poses, etc), I have been posting the Vestals, since they are manufactured in that exact method.

I would figure that the new boxes of 5 troops will be done in the same way...

**Jimsolo**

Crimson wrote:
RoninXiC wrote:
"almost head taller" is not a way to describe a miniatures.
A head taller than what?
GW Minis are horribly proportioned and usually have nothing in common with "real life" people.

Other models in the pic were GW models, so obviously head taller than them. And I'm sure many people plan to use these in their IG armies, so comparison with them is relevant. I'm sure many people also plan to use them with Dreamforge models, so comparison with them would be relevant as well.

In any case, it kinda bugs me if things that are sold as 28mm miniatures are actually 33 or 35mm miniatures.

I can't be arsed to dig though the old thread, but many people were concerned about the scale issue, and RH said they take these concerns in account when designing these new models. I'd like to see how big the standard troopers actually are, that is hardly an unreasonable request.

You make a good point Crimson. It's very fair to want your models to scale well with each other. I am one of the many who plan to use them in my IG army, so that is indeed a concern. The pictures do a lot to assuage that fear, however. The scale shots, which seem to universally use the Kurganova sisters, do indeed show them slightly taller than regular guardsman. However, all of the Kurganova sisters are wearing peaked 'not-a-commissar' hats as well as very high heels, so it doesn't seem that bad. Especially looking at James' picture, it becomes more clear that from heel to crown the women they've already produced are easily in line with Games Workshop figs. I think it's all going to work out for us here.