Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!

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**kendoka**

Speaking for myself: I just went in with some cash ($154 Lieutenant) and will definitely adjust my plea at a later stage.

But... with so many figs unlocked (and no real reason to change my plea right now) I - and probably many others - will wait until the last minute (or after, using a Pledge Manager) to add more funds so that I can get the minis I want.

So, this leaves RH in a bit of a dilemma.
Most new funds (at this point) for the KS will come from new customers - but they risk missing out on a very big pile of cash from the early backers who might not throw in extra money just before the lock.

IMHO: If RH want us early backers to put in more cash at this point they need to release limited edition miniatures, available only as add-ons on existing pleas (Zombiecide style).

I.e. "Up your plea with $10 to get Andrea Wachowsky, an unique Heroine (limited run of 200)"-ish.

Alternatively, "Up your plea with $30 before June 20 to get "The Lulus", including the limited edition Danyella Straub".

As RH have all their sculpting in CAD, making unique sculpts ought to be rather easy (weapon/head swap and inverted pose?) and not that expensive.

**prankster**

Throwing this in in case others aren't reading the comments and/or it doesn't make it to an actual update.

Loud'n Raging wrote: less than a minute ago

Regarding the heavy weapons questions for the CG boxes: when the free upgrades unlock, you'll end up having enough choices to do pretty much what you want.
Also, what would be interesting for us is to know what kind of Heavy Weapons you're mostly seeking, because at this stage of the project, there's still room to manœuvre.

Funding: $310,645

**Kroothawk**

I think, once the motorbikes and then the mechas are revealed, most backers will feel the need to add considerably to their pledge. And if 1000 backers add 100$, that is something.

**Alpharius**

Now that's a good point!

Admittedly, it's been made before, but still quite valid!

**Buzzsaw**

Kroothawk wrote:
I think, once the motorbikes and then the mechas are revealed, most backers will feel the need to add considerably to their pledge. And if 1000 backers add 100$, that is something.

The problem is not that $100,000 isn't something, it's that it isn't enough.

The degree to which people seem to be underestimating the problem of the new stretch goal interval cannot be overstated. That $100,000, for example, is 5 stretch goals. Five! 1/8 or so of just what we know needs to be unlocked.

**KalashnikovMarine**

So has everyone else been doing their pledge math?

I know essentially what I want out of this KS and the Kruganova shock troopers.
Heroines: Ivanka Kruganova, Commander Electra, Irina Vega, Karmina Noxx, the Kruganova Tank Hunter, possibly the Shock Troops standard bearer and the Not Tech Priestess from the iron empire.
Than 30 infantry to form two squads, 15 heavy infantry to back them up.

Here's the various ways I can do that.

(Math includes freebies and the KS exclusive model in model count, support units are counted as three models since I'm not really considering bikes and mechs haven't been unlocked yet)

Painter
$118 shipped (+$5 for 1x $15 heroine)
4x grunts, 2x CS - $90
1x HCS 2x HS - $60
$273 total
54 Minis total

LT Level
$175 shipped (inc: 3 heroines, 4x troops, 4 supports)
(get freebies here, +1 mini, some bits)
Add ons:
4x heroines $50 (Not tech priestess inc.)
2x grunts $30
1x HCS 2x HS - $60
$315 total
65 minis total

Commander Level:
$268 shipped (inc 5x heroines, 6x troops, 6x supports)
+1 free $10 heroine (6x total)
(get freebies here, +1 mini, bits)
Addons:
Not Tech Priestess $20
1x HCS 2x HS $60
$348 total
72 minis total

Edit:

I could also do this with a Captain's box, but the upgrade is $40 difference, and only nets me seven more models, most in the form of support units I don't want.

**PsychoticStorm**

Breotan wrote:
tre manor wrote:
2............Plastics WILL reduce the fidelity of detail. Seriously this cannot be overstated enough.
Actually it can be overstated and frequently is. You may or may not like GW's new kits but you cannot deny that they are incredibly detailed. Also, Dream Forge has their entire Eiserken line in plastic and the detail on those is amazing. Can do do better in resin? Of course. But let's not pretend that there is no way to cut a model apart and put it on a sprue that will retain most of the detail with only minor consessions.

tre manor wrote:
Plastics production is really probably NOT a good idea for RH. I would not do it if I were them. There are just WAY too many ways it can go wrong.
You cannot possibly be serious. A fair number of people have already mentioned that they will likely reduce their pledge amounts if there are no plastics (and have said they would raise it if there were). Dream Forge and Mantic have pretty much proven that plastic is the way to go.

I think Tre is more than qualified to make this statements and I agree, GW abilities to cram detail on flat surfaces and their inability to hide undercuts even n quite visible areas would not benefit this project full of curves and organic forms at all, the only way around it would be a "gazillion" parts per models and a ridiculously high price for moulds.

They do not need plastics and frankly from the companies that did go on plastics, all in my opinion lost their details, like Wyrd.

**Breotan**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
GW abilities to cram detail on flat surfaces and their inability to hide undercuts even n quite visible areas would not benefit this project full of curves and organic forms at all, the only way around it would be a "gazillion" parts per models and a ridiculously high price for moulds.

Space Hulk would like to disagree with you. I also think they've shown quite well they can cram all sorts of detail into models with only a few pieces. Dark Vengeance certainly had plenty of detail in their organic (Cultists & Hellbrute) models.

PsychoticStorm wrote:
They do not need plastics and frankly from the companies that did go on plastics, all in my opinion lost their details, like Wyrd.

Any lack of detail in a Wyrd model can be attributed to the guys working with the 3d sculpting (CAD) program, not the mold making technology. Again, Dream Forge clearly shows what can be done with plastic and I think skilled sprue creation will allow the TGG figures to easily keep most of the detail. It will also allow RH to produce a nearly endless supply of these amazing models where pouring resin will be incredibly time consuming given the expected number of orders.

**Jimsolo**

Breotan wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
GW abilities to cram detail on flat surfaces and their inability to hide undercuts even n quite visible areas would not benefit this project full of curves and organic forms at all, the only way around it would be a "gazillion" parts per models and a ridiculously high price for moulds.
Space Hulk would like to disagree with you. I also think they've shown quite well they can cram all sorts of detail into models with only a few pieces. Dark Vengeance certainly had plenty of detail in their organic (Cultists & Hellbrute) models.

PsychoticStorm wrote:
They do not need plastics and frankly from the companies that did go on plastics, all in my opinion lost their details, like Wyrd.
Any lack of detail in a Wyrd model can be attributed to the guys working with the 3d sculpting (CAD) program, not the mold making technology. Again, Dream Forge clearly shows what can be done with plastic and I think skilled sprue creation will allow the TGG figures to easily keep most of the detail. It will also allow RH to produce a nearly endless supply of these amazing models where pouring resin will be incredibly time consuming given the expected number of orders.

Breotan, you're correct that GW's latest plastics have been better than what they have previously produced; years in the biz have shown that their plastics get better and better with time. That being said, even the awesome sculpts we got (particularly on those cultists!) in Dark Vengeance aren't nearly as wonderful as the work from Raging Heroes. While they might be capable of that level of detail in plastics, I'm going to remain dubious. I know they can produce this level of quality in resin or white metal, and I've already agreed to pay for that.

Within the bounds of the Kickstarter, though, do the people who want plastic so badly expect that this will result in backers getting more minis, or the minis for less money? I've asked before, and I still don't know: What is the perceived advantage, within the Kickstarter, of having the models made in plastic, as opposed to resin/metal?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Dreamforge shows exactly what can be achieved with plastic, but to do so the minis are in a lot of parts (once you add on pouches etc)

now that suits some (ie me) who come from a kit building background, but will put off others,

especially as these detail bits are the hard stuff to get on and looking good if you don't know what you're doing.

GW shows what you can do with state fewer parts (and lots of twiddly bits) eg the new chaos raptors, again very nice but less flexable than the more bitty Dreamforge stuff

**PsychoticStorm**

Breotan wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
GW abilities to cram detail on flat surfaces and their inability to hide undercuts even n quite visible areas would not benefit this project full of curves and organic forms at all, the only way around it would be a "gazillion" parts per models and a ridiculously high price for moulds.
Space Hulk would like to disagree with you. I also think they've shown quite well they can cram all sorts of detail into models with only a few pieces. Dark Vengeance certainly had plenty of detail in their organic (Cultists & Hellbrute) models.

PsychoticStorm wrote:
They do not need plastics and frankly from the companies that did go on plastics, all in my opinion lost their details, like Wyrd.
Any lack of detail in a Wyrd model can be attributed to the guys working with the 3d sculpting (CAD) program, not the mold making technology. Again, Dream Forge clearly shows what can be done with plastic and I think skilled sprue creation will allow the TGG figures to easily keep most of the detail. It will also allow RH to produce a nearly endless supply of these amazing models where pouring resin will be incredibly time consuming given the expected number of orders.

Except if my copy of spacehulk is different from everybody else's, no it does not disagree with me, many parts per terminator to avoid undercuts and the undercuts still exist in plain daylight, if only it illustrates the virtues of monoposed multipart models and still remain some of the best sculpts GW has done, moreover terminators are as curved and organic as a washing machine, on the other hand genesteelers in more dynamic poses sometime miss an arm entirely because it would be impossible to have it without extra parts because of undercuts restrictions.

In dark vengence the dreadnought thing is way multiparted to have the form it has and the cultists are flat, like most plastics as if a press stamped them (which literally is what happened and why they are in such pose).

Now imagine the parts breakdown of the, hellbrute it is? compressed to a single 30mm miniature, its a lot.

**Minx**

Loud'n Raging (23 minutes ago) wrote:
I'm preparing the image for the next stretch goal, but it's too big to fit in the frame!!!

Could that be one of the motorbikes?

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Might be the Mech, a good swerve right now would be to show one of the question marks, although I'd imagine they are saving the mech till last?

**PsychoticStorm**

maybe bikes? maybe multilpe updates per unlock.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Oh and I'd agree that a couple more exclusives is much more likely to get money flowing based on other kickstarters I've witnessed and been involved in.

However on saying that, I also agree its still early days. More Updates are good though.

**PsychoticStorm**

I will agree it is still early days, but it needs to keep the momentum, the way they handle communication does not help, nor does the frontpage.

**tre manor**

Vermillion wrote:
They do their best to ensure the models are indeed true to the concept art and 3d renders, I've not been dissapointed yet with any model I've bought

I do nto mean that thier prints are bad I mean just the opposite. The Level of detail in these models is greater than that foudn int he average Wyrd or Dream Forge models. I am not besmirchign the detail fo those models either but there is a difference. These models are clearly made for resin casting processes and results not for injection molded plastics

**HisDivineShadow**

Don't forget there is the oversized experiment model. Oversized doesn't mean mecha or bike.

I hope it is, but who knows.

**-iPaint-**

tre manor wrote:
Vermillion wrote:
They do their best to ensure the models are indeed true to the concept art and 3d renders, I've not been dissapointed yet with any model I've bought

I do nto mean that thier prints are bad I mean just the opposite. The Level of detail in these models is greater than that foudn int he average Wyrd or Dream Forge models. I am not besmirchign the detail fo those models either but there is a difference. These models are clearly made for resin casting processes and results not for injection molded plastics

Yep, Tre has the root of it here. These 3D sculpts have been designed for spin casting in a flexible mold. Plastics would need to be done in such a way that the 3D model could be taken apart digitally and placed in a 2-part plastic injection mold without any undercuts, anywhere. It could mean more sprues to get the desired results, which increases costs, or fewer sprues, which decreases the details that can be achieved from plastic injection.

Interesting that the teased update image is too big to fit within their current format for image posting.... May very well be a bike or one of the mechs we'll be seeing next?

~iPaint

**PsychoticStorm**

And its a mech indeed!

What about a new stretch goal, then?

Sure! Here's something to help get to $360,000: the much-anticipated Jailbird Mecha!

The Mecha for the Jailbird Division was created after much input and feedback from the community when we were in the design phase. At that time, most of the comments asked for something in the spirit of the Aliens powerloader and the Matrix and Avatar Mechas. So that's what we went for, because we thought it would greatly fit the style of the Jailbirds.

The idea behind this concept is that the Jailbirds stole heavy duty machinery from a construction site and turned it into a combat machine.

The Mechas for the Iron Empire and for the Kurganova Shock Troops will be more in a 'walker' style with the Raging Heroes' touch.

Not bad!

**Kroothawk**

It is a Mecha update:

Mecha Stretch Goal!
Update #5 · Jun 7, 2013 · 1 comment

Hello everyone!
What's up?

We've passed $310,000 today and Iron Empire's Major Severina Madsen is now unlocked!

The next 2 Stretch Goals are the Tank Stopper Katerina Zerga from the Kurganova Shock Troops at $330,000 and Mad Nurse Bernadette from the Jailbird Division at $350,000.

And the 2nd Freebie (still a surprise) will be unlocked at the same time, also at $350,000.
What about a new stretch goal, then?

Sure! Here's something to help get to $360,000: the much-anticipated Jailbird Mecha!

The Mecha for the Jailbird Division was created after much input and feedback from the community when we were in the design phase. At that time, most of the comments asked for something in the spirit of the Aliens powerloader and the Matrix and Avatar Mechas. So that's what we went for, because we thought it would greatly fit the style of the Jailbirds.

The idea behind this concept is that the Jailbirds stole heavy duty machinery from a construction site and turned it into a combat machine.

The Mechas for the Iron Empire and for the Kurganova Shock Troops will be more in a 'walker' style with the Raging Heroes' touch.

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**Sangarn**

Oh my god Neeed !
this mecha is gorgeous !
and maybe it could go in my ariadna army (infinity) as a TAG
anyway supercool !

-new backer acquired-

**Tannhauser42**

As long as the final model doesn't end up looking like the GK Baby Carriage (although the only real problem with that model is the extreme lack of poseability), I'll be quite happy.

**Alpharius**

It is nice, and I think the 'design' fits the background - I'm just not sure that the pilot would survive long in a firefight.

Maybe there's some sort of force field device built in too?

**Ouze**

Not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I love mechs. On the other, it's a baby carrier.

**timd**

Ouze wrote:
Not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I love mechs. On the other, it's a baby carrier.

LOL, another baby carrier. Nice except for the baby carrier aspect. Perhaps they will offer an armor upgrade kit to protect the driver a bit...

T

**Saxon**

That is a nice price too, as I am assuming it will be in resin.

**Hulksmash**

Price acceptability will depend on it's final size. But at least I don't have to worry about grabbing it now since it's only discounted about 14%.

**Madcat87**

Oh hey look! Alternate Penitent Engines!

Yeah that update has got me a little bit more interested.

**Breotan**

Jimsolo wrote:
Within the bounds of the Kickstarter, though, do the people who want plastic so badly expect that this will result in backers getting more minis, or the minis for less money?

Plastic will result in more backers and thus more money to fund the project but the price of the figures themselves will stay the same even though it will be cheaper and far far faster to produce them in bulk.

Also, I fear the very concept of "spin-cast resin". I fear it to the point of running out to one of those meme-generator sites...