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Higher pledge levels might include extra free minis (or their values)

 Breotan wrote:
So, since I'm too busy to do any more mathmatical acrobatics with the various pledge levels, could someone tell me if it would be worth my time to switch from Lieutenant to Captain or Major? Or just stay at Lieutenant and up my pledge amount? Oh, and let's not worry about the EB stuff.

There are some very limited increases in value as you go up in pledge level. Basically, once you get to Captain you get $5 more then you pledge (you can spend $370 off a pledge of $365). Below that you get less discretionary cash then you spend (i.e., Commander you can spend $240 for a cost of $245).


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Higher pledge levels might include extra free minis (or their values)

To the best of my knowledge no level above Lt. has any difference in the add-ons, until you get to the really high levels (Colonel at $745 and up).

I dropped my EB Commander, so grab it if you want it.

Missed it by *that* much.


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Buzzsaw, thanks for the neutral response. I appreciate being able to get a non venomous answer. Especially given that I know you have some pretty deep criticisms of the campaign.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

To such evaluations other intangibles are added: the consistently overwhelmed air by RH may give one caution, along with their reputation for running late and so on and so forth.

Is there such a reputation? I know that this Kickstarter had a couple false starts or some such, but I hadn't heard any notoriety about them being late. Are there more specifics on this? Again, not enough to make me drop my pledge, but I would certainly like to have an accurate estimate of how long I will be waiting for my minis.

Thanks again!

Took several months longer than expected for them to get their Manticore off the ground.

 Breotan wrote:
So, since I'm too busy to do any more mathmatical acrobatics with the various pledge levels, could someone tell me if it would be worth my time to switch from Lieutenant to Captain or Major? Or just stay at Lieutenant and up my pledge amount? Oh, and let's not worry about the EB stuff.

I just used the pledge calculator to figure a captain box (365). Change it to lieutenant (165) and the price jumps to $385. Which accounts for the $20 extra models you get as a captain. So other than the free extra models no there is no real difference

gohkm wrote:
Whoa, how much is the CONNOISSEUR BOX level going to cost?

The mention of resin has got me interested in this all over again.

We'll probably have a mini update just before it becomes available. But I'd expect a price somewhere north of $700 based on what they've said is included.


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 Minx wrote:
Perhaps we will see the 54mm priestess and the physical art book as separate add-ons. Has there been any word on that, heralds?

Based on the fact that they've said the art book would be signed and numbered it's probably unlikely. But there again, given the way they've been chopping and changing during the KS they may surprise us all and throw it in with all pledges over X level/amount.


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So, we're just over 100 hours from the end of this crazy KS ride but there's still a lot to do to get from here to there.

1) Add-on unlocks.
There's 12 of these left to go, a smattering of heroines, 6 bikes and a couple of other things. Whilst this is still on track with their 1-3 auto unlocks a day I don't believe that it's a good idea to go into the last 24 hours with anything left to unlock as it'll distract RH from trying to keep on top of things as pledging gets crazy again*

The only reason I can see them going into the last 24 hours with a few unlocks left would be to do a big reveal and throw in upgrade kits. In the same way as artillery box 3 the other day. This would have been good with mecha, which they've missed their change with, but it also works with bikes. So I'd expect to still be missing three reveals if this is their plan.

2)Renders / Prints
We've seen no where near enough of these for this stage in the KS. Especially given the prep time that they put into the KS and the talk about getting a large percentage of the renders done by the end. This suggests that they've either slipped behind and the KS has stopped them from getting them done, which is possible given there's 3 of them and there have been a few RL issues, or the quite vocal reaction to the renders we have seen has them gakking themselves.

If the former is the case, then they need to let us know. The updates aren't just for posting background snippets about unlocks and talking about new pledge levels. If the latter is the case then they need to 'man up' and get more posted. Not just of heroines, but of all the basic troopers so we can see what they've come out like. From a personal point of view, I'd really like to see renders of the heavy weapons from the command boxes as well, in order to see if they'd fit my needs or if I need to get a number of artillery boxes.

3) Communication / Involvement
Whilst they have improved since the start of the KS there's still a lack of involvement with backers at times. They tend to pop on, post a few comments here and there on the KS page, put up the updates and then go away for a few hours / over night. This leads to things getting missed / not answered.

For example, I had a question for RH direct and after their previous rapid response to PMs via KS I dropped them one there. Whilst I got an initial response fairly quickly it was pretty much a 'not now but ask again in a couple of days'. This was on the 23rd and despite two follow ups and a nudge in the comments section they don't seem to have picked it back up. There's other people murmuring about similar things or asking questions repeatedly trying to get an 'official answer' but not seeming to get very far.

 keltikhoa wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
So, since I'm too busy to do any more mathmatical acrobatics with the various pledge levels, could someone tell me if it would be worth my time to switch from Lieutenant to Captain or Major? Or just stay at Lieutenant and up my pledge amount? Oh, and let's not worry about the EB stuff.

I just used the pledge calculator to figure a captain box (365). Change it to lieutenant (165) and the price jumps to $385. Which accounts for the $20 extra models you get as a captain. So other than the free extra models no there is no real difference

So basically it's the difference between free shipping and paying for shipping. Not a bad move queaff?

 Jimsolo wrote:


Is there such a reputation? I know that this Kickstarter had a couple false starts or some such, but I hadn't heard any notoriety about them being late. Are there more specifics on this? Again, not enough to make me drop my pledge, but I would certainly like to have an accurate estimate of how long I will be waiting for my minis.

Thanks again!

There is such a reputation, the Kurganova sisters box I believe was also a month or two past the initial ship date before it actually went out. However, I've not heard of them pulling anything worse than a couple months nor of them ever failing to ship something. I also don't think it's terribly uncommon in the boutique miniature market for quirks like that. They also reportedly don't do things in half-measures so sometimes doing things right takes longer.

It is something to be leery of as there will almost certainly be delays; most every majorly successful KS has them.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:


Is there such a reputation? I know that this Kickstarter had a couple false starts or some such, but I hadn't heard any notoriety about them being late. Are there more specifics on this? Again, not enough to make me drop my pledge, but I would certainly like to have an accurate estimate of how long I will be waiting for my minis.

Thanks again!

There is such a reputation, the Kurganova sisters box I believe was also a month or two past the initial ship date before it actually went out. However, I've not heard of them pulling anything worse than a couple months nor of them ever failing to ship something. I also don't think it's terribly uncommon in the boutique miniature market for quirks like that. They also reportedly don't do things in half-measures so sometimes doing things right takes longer.

It is something to be leery of as there will almost certainly be delays; most every majorly successful KS has them.

For the sister box I'd rather say a few weeks than months.

About the IE mecha and IE bike: I like them. Because of them (and mortaria noctis) I turned to the dark side.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

To such evaluations other intangibles are added: the consistently overwhelmed air by RH may give one caution, along with their reputation for running late and so on and so forth.

Is there such a reputation? I know that this Kickstarter had a couple false starts or some such, but I hadn't heard any notoriety about them being late. Are there more specifics on this? Again, not enough to make me drop my pledge, but I would certainly like to have an accurate estimate of how long I will be waiting for my minis.

From personal experience - RH is always slow/delayed. I've preordered several sets from them (vestals, sci-fi vestals, Mantises, Kurganovas) and pretty much every time there's been a delay of a month-6 weeks+. Mind you, this is with the relatively small numbers of website pre-orders when dealing with between 4 unique models to 2 boxes of five. The KS has many times that number of models and 2200 backers, so there will be significant delays. The designer, Benoit has also hurt his back just before the campaign and again a week ago, so things like that also need to be factored in.

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 Minx wrote:
Perhaps we will see the 54mm priestess and the physical art book as separate add-ons. Has there been any word on that, heralds?

Based on the fact that they've said the art book would be signed and numbered it's probably unlikely.

I was talking about not-signed and -numbered limited print/cast runs. If they already go the length of preparing a physical art book i assume they could just print more and not sign some of them for us to add to our pledges.


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 Azazelx wrote:
From personal experience - RH is always slow/delayed. I've preordered several sets from them (vestals, sci-fi vestals, Mantises, Kurganovas) and pretty much every time there's been a delay of a month-6 weeks+. Mind you, this is with the relatively small numbers of website pre-orders when dealing with between 4 unique models to 2 boxes of five. The KS has many times that number of models and 2200 backers, so there will be significant delays. The designer, Benoit has also hurt his back just before the campaign and again a week ago, so things like that also need to be factored in.

My last delivery was late as well; a bit longer than Azazelx shipment. I hope that their estimated delivery date has been set far enough in the future that it won't cause too many problems and i wouldn't worry about a month if we are already waiting 3/4 of a year anyway.
In any case they seem to be aware:

LnR wrote:We have set up a quite late delivery date for pledges that has plenty of room for unexpected issues that may come up in the casting and shipping process.
We are currently expanding our team to have staff dedicated to the packing and shipping logistics.

prankster wrote:

2)Renders / Prints
We've seen no where near enough of these for this stage in the KS. Especially given the prep time that they put into the KS and the talk about getting a large percentage of the renders done by the end. This suggests that they've either slipped behind and the KS has stopped them from getting them done, which is possible given there's 3 of them and there have been a few RL issues, or the quite vocal reaction to the renders we have seen has them gakking themselves.

If the former is the case, then they need to let us know. The updates aren't just for posting background snippets about unlocks and talking about new pledge levels. If the latter is the case then they need to 'man up' and get more posted. Not just of heroines, but of all the basic troopers so we can see what they've come out like. From a personal point of view, I'd really like to see renders of the heavy weapons from the command boxes as well, in order to see if they'd fit my needs or if I need to get a number of artillery boxes.

Having a few friends that have done kickstarters, and looking into it myself, there are rules prohibiting renderings. Kickstarter doesn't want photorealistic renderings of a product concept. They're cool with technical drawings, CAD designs, sketches, and other parts of the design process. They like to see the guts of the creative process, but renderings that could be mistaken for finished products are prohibited.

That's already been covered. Miniatures aren't prohibited if I remember correctly.

And yes, another of the reasons I'm glad I pulled out is that they haven't show but a single unit of troop renders and they aren't that good and differ pretty decently from the concept art.

Not to mention they've pretty much stopped freebies at this point.

Oh well, if they are pretty when released I'll pick up a few. Like the recent Warzone stuff.

I just looked through the guidelilnes and I didn't see any exceptions.

http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/faq-guidelines-for-hardware-and-product-design-pro

Plus, there's a pretty harsh punishment. Kickstarter can cancel the project.

While I'd like to see more renderings as well, I can understand the need to circumvent the possibility of the project getting canceled.

I really don't think that's what's holding RH back here.

Warmaster Primus wrote:
I just looked through the guidelilnes and I didn't see any exceptions.

Notice how they keep on using the phrase "Hardware and Product Design projects"? Miniatures are neither part of the "Hardware" nor the "Product Design" project categories.

The renderings and prints are either not finished yet or they are waiting for the right time to reveal them.
In any case i have no doubt we will see more of them before the KS for this project is over.
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Half a million dollar passed!

CELEBRATING THE UPCOMING $500,000 MARK WITH SNOW IVANKA
Update #48 · Jul 3, 2013

As we're getting extremely close to the $500,000 mark and we can already feel the end-of-Kickstarter build-up kicking in, we wanted to immediately unlock a character that is very dear to our heart.

The Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter all began with Kapitan Ivanka Kurganova. This mini was without a doubt our biggest hit. Ivanka generated so much interest that we quickly wanted to delve deeper into her background and find out more about her.

She was launched during the summer and she did so well that we immediately thought about creating a winter version of her to release her for Christmas. We talked about it to several of our fans and retailers, and they were all very much enthusiastic.

So we began sculpting her. And then, something strange happened. There was definitely another girl trying to come to life through Ivanka's sculpt. Fairly quickly, we realized that it was Ivanka's younger sister Malinka. It was intriguing to see her slowly taking a life of her own without any consideration whatsoever for our Christmas plans... So we went with the flow and that's how Kommander Malinka Kurganova was born. And when we saw the two sisters together, it was obvious that someone was missing in the family: Ivanka was the good student, Malinka was the young turbulent and spoiled younger sister, and so, an elder sibling, more mature and accomplished, was needed to round up the team. And there she was, Admiral Olga Kurganova.

So much for our plans for a Snow Ivanka...

The three Kurganova sisters did extremely well, and they also felt like the beginning of a good story. We knew that we'd have to bring more of this family to life, and give them a full army to carry out their orders. At first, it was only the Jailbirds. But once again, we realized that the 3 sisters were calling for something else. The lowlife big-mouth bad-attitude Rambettes were not good enough for them. They needed a much higher-class and professional army. And so, this is how the Kurganova Shock Troops were born.

But it was still not enough for them, because now, they needed a real enemy. Something that would match their might. And so, instead of just one army, we ended up with three.

And we know that some of you were a bit surprised to encounter Daddy Kurganov thrown into the midst of these furious ladies. But we definitely wanted to extend the Kurganova family, and yet, we wanted something a bit special and different. It would have been easy to add their mother or grandmother, but somehow, don't ask us why, the three girls wanted their father.

And so, after all of this, we stumbled again upon the first Snow Ivanka sketches. And it felt like full circle. Ivanka was the one who started it all, and so we owed her her snow version. So here it is, now unlocked.

 Hulksmash wrote:
And yes, another of the reasons I'm glad I pulled out is that they haven't show but a single unit of troop renders and they aren't that good and differ pretty decently from the concept art.

Funny, the first post shows renders of two troop units

We're going to have a busy 4 days coming up!

Hey look! It's Sorcha!

@Kroothawk

You are correct. I got them mixed together for some reason but it does show a basic trooper box and a heavy unit. Both don't quite live up to their concept art though.

On a seperate note:

When was the last free model added at this point? Can't remember the funding level the cat mascot was unlocked.

I'm sure the $500K Milestone will bring...something?

There's also bound to be some additional incentives added in as we had towards the finish line, right?

 Hulksmash wrote:
On a seperate note:
When was the last free model added at this point? Can't remember the funding level the cat mascot was unlocked.

1st July:




30th June:




30th June, unlocked and added as freebie to Colonel Box and General Box:


That's from the 4 last days. Hope that helps.


BTW the CONNOISSEUR BOX PLEDGES and ADD-ONS will be unlocked in less than an 45 minutes.

Those 'free upgrades" are a load of horse semen. They were going to put all that gak in the troop boxes anyway.

None of those are free models but thanks for taking what I asked out of context as an excuse to put up things that are only enhancing the basic retail items, not the value of the year out pre-order.

 Hulksmash wrote:
None of those are free models but thanks for taking what I asked out of context as an excuse to put up things that are only enhancing the basic retail items, not the value of the year out pre-order.

Exactly. I haven't looked at these "troop box upgrades" as anything beneficial. This was all gak they were planning on doing anyway, and it's just a cop out 'bonus' for them to attempt to enhance value on a surface level.

 cincydooley wrote:
Those 'free upgrades" are a load of horse semen.

You have no idea how expensive horse semen can be

 Hulksmash wrote:
None of those are free models

Look again at the Zombie: Free model for General and Colonel box.
It is a bit tiring to correct all obviously false statements.

And having more weapon options, more head options, more weapon mounts is VERY usefull for people doing a complete army.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
None of those are free models but thanks for taking what I asked out of context as an excuse to put up things that are only enhancing the basic retail items, not the value of the year out pre-order.

Exactly. I haven't looked at these "troop box upgrades" as anything beneficial. This was all gak they were planning on doing anyway, and it's just a cop out 'bonus' for them to attempt to enhance value on a surface level.

The Infamous "Fake Stretch Goal"?!?

I still think they'll unveil some 'real' incentives for people to join in and/or increase their pledges, sometime soon, certainly before Thursday or Friday...

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
On a seperate note:
When was the last free model added at this point? Can't remember the funding level the cat mascot was unlocked.

30th June, unlocked and added as freebie to Colonel Box and General Box:

Spoiler:

#42 was unlocked but not added to any pledge level for free. They instead increased the free money in the top two (at that time) pledges in the same post.

The last free miniature, Jinx, was unlocked at $425k on the 25th of June.

Since then we've had some free upgrades, that were going to be included in the box anyway and talk about more freebies coming at some point.