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Sorry BrookM, I hope your post it peppered with a good Portion of sarcasm

I run a rather small clothing company. People sometimes give a tough judgement about my work, as they want it to suit their business, which is fine by me. Now my greatest hobby is to redesign things to their liking and get their orders. I do not produce art, but my clients sell those products well. Yet they would never ever come back to buy from me if I would treat them like RH treats us.

Your judgement of people going back to buy from RH again(!) after beeing treated so disrespectfully admitts only one theory: most, if not all, clients must be kids! They (RH) surely think so! As only naive kids would go back and buy from such douchebags!!

And I often read that you can't rush "art"....OHE!!! It seems to me that some haven't understood up to now that RH produce toys!!! Toys ladies and gentlemen!! Not art!! Otherwise those miniatures would be exhibited at the Louvre!! And questionable toys to boot, starting with sexy pin up girls (dressed) and ending with that theyare going to produce children soldiers!!!

Now please dear readers disenchant those douchebags from RH and see them as what they are: producers of toys ( as nice as they might be [the toys that is!]!) not of art. And yes we are entiteled to know when we get the pledge manager for the promised first wave of our KS this month!

I think these guys need to take a lesson from Adam Poots regarding their model production.

 miniholic wrote:
Sorry BrookM, I hope your post it peppered with a good Portion of sarcasm

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Your judgement of people going back to buy from RH again(!) after beeing treated so disrespectfully admitts only one theory: most, if not all, clients must be kids! They (RH) surely think so! As only naive kids would go back and buy from such douchebags!!

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You haven't read a lot of my posts in this thread have you?

 BrookM wrote:

 miniholic wrote:
Sorry BrookM, I hope your post it peppered with a good Portion of sarcasm

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Your judgement of people going back to buy from RH again(!) after beeing treated so disrespectfully admitts only one theory: most, if not all, clients must be kids! They (RH) surely think so! As only naive kids would go back and buy from such douchebags!!

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You haven't read a lot of my posts in this thread have you?

Sorry, then I really read it the way you meant it to be read.
...beeing an illiterate italian poses sometimes a handicap. ...occasionally I fail in recognizing sarcasm on the internet.

 miniholic wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 miniholic wrote:
Sorry BrookM, I hope your post it peppered with a good Portion of sarcasm

..

Your judgement of people going back to buy from RH again(!) after beeing treated so disrespectfully admitts only one theory: most, if not all, clients must be kids! They (RH) surely think so! As only naive kids would go back and buy from such douchebags!!

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You haven't read a lot of my posts in this thread have you?

Sorry, then I really read it the way you meant it to be read.
...beeing an illiterate italian poses sometimes a handicap. ...occasionally I fail in recognizing sarcasm on the internet.

That's quite alright, us no-speaky limey peeps need to stick together.

You're italian? I thought you were german! Dakka flags are really nice...

Cincy: I never made the connection that you were Sean on Facebook. They really have thin skins if they cannot allow even the smallest amount of criticism...

Yeah. That's me. Those dudes are the problem. My criticisms weren't even that harsh. I started by simply making some factual statements.

All the yes men make them think what they're doing is okay.

BrookM wrote:

 miniholic wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 miniholic wrote:
Sorry BrookM, I hope your post it peppered with a good Portion of sarcasm

..

Your judgement of people going back to buy from RH again(!) after beeing treated so disrespectfully admitts only one theory: most, if not all, clients must be kids! They (RH) surely think so! As only naive kids would go back and buy from such douchebags!!

..

You haven't read a lot of my posts in this thread have you?

Sorry, then I really read it the way you meant it to be read.
...beeing an illiterate italian poses sometimes a handicap. ...occasionally I fail in recognizing sarcasm on the internet.

That's quite alright, us no-speaky limey peeps need to stick together.

LOL!!! Thanks for that!!
Will try my best to get it right from the start next time.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:You're italian? I thought you were german! Dakka flags are really nice...

Cincy: I never made the connection that you were Sean on Facebook. They really have thin skins if they cannot allow even the smallest amount of criticism...

Oh Mathieu, the flag is right, I'm currently working in Germany, region of Bavaria. Great place to work and live.
They only start suspecting something when I start enjoying flora and fauna, as well as life!

 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah. That's me. Those dudes are the problem. My criticisms weren't even that harsh. I started by simply making some factual statements.

All the yes men make them think what they're doing is okay.

Don't really want to get drawn into the whole thing, but wanted to say that I totally agree with you here.

Yeah, being called out on your argument when all you've done is state the facts of the case is pretty rough.

I am trying to distance myself as much as possible from all of the drama that's apparently slowly brewing from the lack of honest communication. Sure, RH has communicated some stuff to us, but nearly all of it can be condensed into one statement:

"We don't want to show or tell you anything right now, and we will show or tell you something when we think it's ready to be shown or told."

Everything else on top of that is really just crap nobody cares about, in my opinion. I'm waiting patiently for miniatures and production updates. I could care less what time of day it is when they're going to bed, or getting food, or out running errands, or updating their social media, or whatever.

I want an honest update that says something like the following:

"Today we worked on sculpts for 6 of the heroines, finalized casting layouts for 2 more heroines and 4 troops sculpts, and have all of the extra pieces done for 1 of the trooper boxes. We'll continue updating as we progress throughout the week."

That, above all, would be a good update that could take 15 minutes to write up...tops. There's no room for misinterpretation, it keeps backers involved and up to speed with what RH is doing, and it also lays out a work history that's easily trackable for future projects - who knows, maybe it could be used as a milestone to beat in the next KS project, eh? 6 sculpts finalized a week last time? Let's try and do 7 or 8 this time around.

~iPaint

Yeah, iPaint, that's all I'm looking for. Granted. I'm not in for even a full pledge $$ amount, but I don't think that would be unreasonable.

Yeah, I've been pretty 'yes man'-ish about this in the past, but even I'm starting to get antsy for some meaningful communication. Seriously.

I guess there is also still no info on what the incentives are for stores to run the drop ship program.

Yeah, that never came to light during the KS, despite it being asked about a number of times.

Though clearly, the benefit to the stores is that they have such marvellous works of art on display to entice people in...

Ha, they got stuff on display they can't sell because they are holding it for other people.

"Sorry, this is for backers. You want it, you'll need to wait until wave 3 is done. See you next millennium!"

Raging Heroes
September 8
(Recopying from a conversation we had with some FB posters)
"Re the updates, we've already spent a few hours on one, it will be finished shortly, but don't get too excited yet, though, as the Big Update with all the pics will be the one after that... The BU will be released just a few days after the upcoming update, though, as we're nearly done with what we want to show you...
And yes, it is true that making 150 minis from scratch is really insane!!! But amazingly enough, we're moving forward really well, and are tracking pretty close to our plans.
These last few days, we've been mostly working on improving the mould-making process and on sculpting tons of different heads and expressions for the first wave (sculpting heads is a good sign, because that's usually one of the last step we do). More details about this in the upcoming update."

We shall see.

Remember,

don't get too excited yet, though,

 Alpharius wrote:

Raging Heroes
September 8
(Recopying from a conversation we had with some FB posters)
"Re the updates, we've already spent a few hours on one, it will be finished shortly, but don't get too excited yet, though, as the Big Update with all the pics will be the one after that... The BU will be released just a few days after the upcoming update, though, as we're nearly done with what we want to show you...
And yes, it is true that making 150 minis from scratch is really insane!!! But amazingly enough, we're moving forward really well, and are tracking pretty close to our plans.
These last few days, we've been mostly working on improving the mould-making process and on sculpting tons of different heads and expressions for the first wave (sculpting heads is a good sign, because that's usually one of the last step we do). More details about this in the upcoming update."

Making 150 minis from scratch? Didn't they claim to have 80% of all minis done sometime before the KS finished? This makes them sound like they've just been working on making 150 minis from the ground up since the KS finished. Guess this is why they were out until 5am -_-

I'm trying to figure out how you spend "a few hours" on a status update.....

You'd be surprised how distracting YouTube and Tumblr can be!

 BrookM wrote:
You'd be surprised how distracting YouTube and Tumblr can be!

Bazinga. Good call, BrookM!

Sining wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Raging Heroes
September 8
(Recopying from a conversation we had with some FB posters)
"Re the updates, we've already spent a few hours on one, it will be finished shortly, but don't get too excited yet, though, as the Big Update with all the pics will be the one after that... The BU will be released just a few days after the upcoming update, though, as we're nearly done with what we want to show you...
And yes, it is true that making 150 minis from scratch is really insane!!! But amazingly enough, we're moving forward really well, and are tracking pretty close to our plans.
These last few days, we've been mostly working on improving the mould-making process and on sculpting tons of different heads and expressions for the first wave (sculpting heads is a good sign, because that's usually one of the last step we do). More details about this in the upcoming update."

Making 150 minis from scratch? Didn't they claim to have 80% of all minis done sometime before the KS finished? This makes them sound like they've just been working on making 150 minis from the ground up since the KS finished. Guess this is why they were out until 5am -_-

As Hulksmash joked and RH ran with, they meant they had all the models 80% done. So, they had everything but the heads, apparently, and that IS the most difficult piece to get right for a female model (just ask GW! They certainly haven't figured it out yet).

Honestly, if I'd put just a little less money into this KS, I'd probably have considered the buy in worth it to have the chance to see such an unintentionally hilarious trainwreck up-close.

As it is, every time they throw out another snide, smug, d***ish comment I just want to reach through my monitor and give them a slap round the chops.

Don't you love us, we keep you entertained!

It would be hilarious if the time spent off the grid was put into setting up the next campaign, but then, better than this one!

The moment everything hits the store shelves cannot come soon enough though.

 BrookM wrote:
It would be hilarious if the time spent off the grid was put into setting up the next campaign, but then, better than this one!

I don't think that word means what you think it means

Though, according to a PM conversation with RH, they haven't even started work on the pledge manager yet. So, even once all the first wave sculpts are done it'll still be a month or so for them to put together what they feel is a suitable pledge manager. Though given the nature of the campaign I'd expect this to be some walled garden within their existing online shop that you need a special account to see, rather than the Mierce one for Darklands. Then they'd just need some funky shipping options, for wave shipping and public / private drop ship. The latter will probably involve secret codes and fancy hand shakes to tie things together.

I think we can safely say that September is off the grid then and I'm back to my earlier musings about it being a Q1 2014 thing at the earliest then for wave 1. Love to be proven wrong though! In a good way mind!

Pity, no Imperial Navy army for some time to come then. Oh well, c'est la vie.

 Alpharius wrote:

Raging Heroes
September 8
(Recopying from a conversation we had with some FB posters)
"Re the updates, we've already spent a few hours on one, it will be finished shortly, but don't get too excited yet, though, as the Big Update with all the pics will be the one after that... The BU will be released just a few days after the upcoming update, though, as we're nearly done with what we want to show you...
And yes, it is true that making 150 minis from scratch is really insane!!! But amazingly enough, we're moving forward really well, and are tracking pretty close to our plans.
These last few days, we've been mostly working on improving the mould-making process and on sculpting tons of different heads and expressions for the first wave (sculpting heads is a good sign, because that's usually one of the last step we do). More details about this in the upcoming update."

So... an update on the progress of the update?

Methinks they don't quite "get it"...

prankster wrote:

Though, according to a PM conversation with RH, they haven't even started work on the pledge manager yet. So, even once all the first wave sculpts are done it'll still be a month or so for them to put together what they feel is a suitable pledge manager. Though given the nature of the campaign I'd expect this to be some walled garden within their existing online shop that you need a special account to see, rather than the Mierce one for Darklands. Then they'd just need some funky shipping options, for wave shipping and public / private drop ship. The latter will probably involve secret codes and fancy hand shakes to tie things together.

Snark aside (and I love the fact that I have to specift when I'm not being snarky with this campaign), I don't have a lot of faith in RH being able to put together a pledge manager in "just" one month. Sure, they could use Backerkit or one of the pre-made ones, but I just don't see them going with an established solution when a drawn-out, more complex but personal one is possible...