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Collector's is already sold out in Oz. Wow.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Baneblades weren't £85 before today were they?

Nope. Now you get to pay 50% more so you can get both the Shadowsword and Baneblade gun sprues. Of course since you can't build both variants at once this just means you pay 50% more for a bunch of scrap plastic you're never going to use.

I'm glad they bundled both the baneblade and the shadowsword together, as magnetising is coming more mainstream, it's nice to have all tank variants in a single box (unless it's something like a Rhino which has lots of variants of varying usage).

I'm not happy about the price rise, but am definitely happy they bundled it all together.

maciek wrote:
Yes. why not. Depending on price of course. But I think, ability to kill that overpowwered, underpricced Helldrake is act of restoring balance to game, not breaking it ;-)

Great, so you have a powerful counter to Helldrakes. Now you've effectively removed any flyer that isn't a Vendetta/Helldrake or Scythe spam. Why bring a Tau flyer or two when it will just get auto-killed as soon as it arrives? Interceptor quad guns are already bad enough for the "true" 6th edition flyers, quad interceptor lascannons is going to put them permanently on the display shelf.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm glad they bundled both the baneblade and the shadowsword together, as magnetising is coming more mainstream, it's nice to have all tank variants in a single box (unless it's something like a Rhino which has lots of variants of varying usage).

But can you really magnetize it? It's not just a simple gun swap, you'll have to replace the entire center hull and that's a pretty important part structurally.

Well the old imperial strongpoint is gone. It was actually a pretty good deal. 2 bastions and 3 ADLs for $135. New I should have got one through the FLGS before this release came out... damn.

just downloaded the new White Dwarf, and i have to say that the inside of the Vault has some really cool details...
the little Scarabs crawling around are a nice touch...
the C'Tan looks much cooler painted in blue...
might just be the coolest big kit GW has made so far, and i don't even collect Necrons...

i would have put at least the Lord Executioner on my "to buy" list, but he's Finecast:(...
nothing for me this month...
they'll get me when the new Marine Codex comes out, for sure...

cheers
jah

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Collector's is already sold out in Oz. Wow.

Perhaps people got excited that a collectors edition featured more than just a fancy cover. Only explanation I can come up with.

You think the quad lasgun is scary.. Double punishers. Lol

Okay maybe that's just me.

I'll be grabbing a bombardment cube dice, simply because it's 125 dice for $32au. And it comes with a turn counter.

varag wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Collector's is already sold out in Oz. Wow.

Perhaps people got excited that a collectors edition featured more than just a fancy cover. Only explanation I can come up with.

Nah... it's probably because you guys can buy anything GW cheaper than the rest of the non-Commonwealth world. *runs for the hills*

Looks awesome, cant wait to see the rules for some of the terrain. I am really lacking in anti armor punch in my lists so this might be a good way to shore it up.

Holy feth, that set with 2 RoBBs and a bunch of terrain is $2100au.

$2100au.

£1000 for a game board. Fething insane. The blurb even states 'time to put your money where your mouth is...'

No thanks. For that price, I'd rather buy a HD projector and a huge white sheet, and project a changeable map onto a table...

Looool, $74 for a fething rulebook. Not sure what these people at GW are on.

 Eggs wrote:
£1000 for a game board. Fething insane. The blurb even states 'time to put your money where your mouth is...'

No thanks. For that price, I'd rather buy a HD projector and a huge white sheet, and project a changeable map onto a table...

Well now we know what GW will replace the realm of battle game board for.along with some citadel finewood (£50) to place the white sheet on, and all maps are available for purchase from the digital store for only £20 each.

Does anyone know if the new Vortex template is just the old one reskinned or the larger 5" one similar to the Storm of Magic templates?

 pretre wrote:
You think the quad lasgun is scary.. Double punishers. Lol

Okay maybe that's just me.

Yes, but it's only got 1/4 of the range, and isn't Int & Skyfire (that we know of)

And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Cheers

Andrew

It's 40k, but a different gametype. Like Planetstrike or Cities of Death. It just makes changes to the FoC (ie there is none in the old Apocalypse) that lets you bring things like superheavies.

 AndrewC wrote:
And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Well, FW isn't optional, so the question to ask would be whether they're "standard" 40k units (codex, FW, etc) or explicitly listed as an optional expansion (like the DFTS dogfighting rules, which clearly said "optional" in the introduction). And the answer is we don't know. The product description just says "for 40k".

 pretre wrote:
You think the quad lasgun is scary.. Double punishers. Lol

Okay maybe that's just me.

At least the double punisher cannons are something you can already get from a codex unit that is generally considered to be far from overpowered. Multiple interceptor lascannons is something completely game-changing that is only available on this new terrain piece.


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 -Loki- wrote:
It's 40k, but a different gametype. Like Planetstrike or Cities of Death. It just makes changes to the FoC (ie there is none in the old Apocalypse) that lets you bring things like superheavies.

Not necessarily. The description for the new terrain pieces says they include 40k rules (with the Apocalypse rules in the Apocalypse book), so at least some of this stuff could be part of normal games.

 Eggs wrote:
£1000 for a game board. Fething insane. The blurb even states 'time to put your money where your mouth is...'

No thanks. For that price, I'd rather buy a HD projector and a huge white sheet, and project a changeable map onto a table...

Hell, for that price you can buy a plasma screen television, mount it as a table, and put a sheet of plexiglass over the screen.

(Although you'd probably want an LCD instead because of burnin)


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 AndrewC wrote:

 pretre wrote:
You think the quad lasgun is scary.. Double punishers. Lol

Okay maybe that's just me.

Yes, but it's only got 1/4 of the range, and isn't Int & Skyfire (that we know of)

And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Cheers

Andrew

GW doesn't run official tournaments anymore. Codex is what you and your friends decide it is. (I still have to roshambo my brother until he lets me take my Razorshark.)

 -Loki- wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Cheers

Andrew

It's 40k, but a different gametype. Like Planetstrike or Cities of Death. It just makes changes to the FoC (ie there is none in the old Apocalypse) that lets you bring things like superheavies.

He was asking about the terrain which is normal 40k.

@peregrine: punishers aren't scary until you make them rending with faith.

Actually, googling around the projector idea, for half the price of the apocalypse board, you can pick up an hd projector that can handle chucking out an 8 foot image. You'd sacrifice the third dimension, but gain a changing battlefield - fields of crops blowing in the wind, burning fires, the ability to mark on objectives, wrecks, etc etc.

At least 3 of the CE went to preorders through my local GW store, and one of the guys ordered that AND the GE.

Ok, the collector's wasn't that big a deal. I thought it came with templates and other stuff, but really it's the book divided up into smaller things, the cards, and an extra warzone. Not a huge loss.

And it says that there are 100 formations, all available as easy 1-click bundles, confirming our fears that everything in this book is a readily available model purchase rather than something a bit more creative (like the last version of Apoc, that included things like Warlord Titans). This also makes me believe that further formations will not be released via PDF on their website but as overpriced iOS bs.

 Eggs wrote:
Actually, googling around the projector idea, for half the price of the apocalypse board, you can pick up an hd projector that can handle chucking out an 8 foot image. You'd sacrifice the third dimension, but gain a changing battlefield - fields of crops blowing in the wind, burning fires, the ability to mark on objectives, wrecks, etc etc.

You also gain odd coloured light shining brightly on top of yours nicely painted miniatures, changing how they look.

No thanks.

The answer to GW's insane $2100au board isn't 'I'll spend that $2100au on other terrain', it should be 'haha I can make a full table of good looking terrain for under 1/10th of that. Which includes the table'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does anyone know if the new Vortex template is just the old one reskinned or the larger 5" one similar to the Storm of Magic templates?

I thought it looked like the old web way portal they used to sell

shade1313 wrote:
At least 3 of the CE went to preorders through my local GW store, and one of the guys ordered that AND the GE.

or so you hope. There were issues with stores over promising preorders and GW under delivering.

Well it looks like the baneblade lets you build every variant now. Granted it costs a ton more and you can still only use 1 at a time....

 Billagio wrote:
Well it looks like the baneblade lets you build every variant now. Granted it costs a ton more and you can still only use 1 at a time....

they shutdown bits sales so consumers could sell their bits...

 Peregrine wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
And, and I apologise for bringing an (un)related arguement into the equation, are these rules 'codex' or 'optional' ala Forgeworld?

Well, FW isn't optional, so the question to ask would be whether they're "standard" 40k units (codex, FW, etc) or explicitly listed as an optional expansion (like the DFTS dogfighting rules, which clearly said "optional" in the introduction). And the answer is we don't know. The product description just says "for 40k".

Peregrine, you and I are of a like mind, in that FW is designed for 40K and as such should be an integral part of the game. However not everyone is of that mind, and picking up on the 'make sure your opponent is happy to play before using these units'they insist that FW requires opponents consent.

Now, these pieces contain rules for integration into normal 40K games, so I'm just wondering how GW are going to word those rules.....

Cheers

Andrew

 brassangel wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:That's the thing. I own a bunch of stuff already. I'll only play Apoc once or twice a year. Meaning I'd be down to buy some crazy stuff but not at those prices. I only need so many sentinels, leman russes, basic space marines, and so on.

They even took the transports out of the company box set. Probably didn't want the cost to clear 1k for it.....

Not everybody owns a bunch of stuff already. And if you do, GREAT! That means you don't have to buy anything. As to the once or twice a year comment: that will likely change if this format receives continued support. It'll be worth playing more often. Much like Commander/EDH for Magic: the Gathering, it started as a cute side option, and is now a mainstay of the game. Despite being a larger, more expensive format, it's become wildly popular, and people are buying new cards even if they already have a bunch of stuff.

What did you want them to do? Release a pamphlet and no bundles? You'd be in the slim minority there.

Show me where I said I only wanted a pamphlet or even implied it. Seems I said I'm buying the templates, book, and possibly the cards. Long way from wanting just a pamphlet.

What I was hoping for was a relative deal. I didn't expect the deals of the first Apoc release. But I held out hope for at least a decent discount.

And they aren't targeting normal players on this. It's a limited format currently (and is likely to remain so). They are targeting people with the time and money to build and play Apoc sized formations. People generally able to find online discounters. Let alone deals that might be made with a local shop to profit off just placing an enormous order.

Either way they'll make a solid amount of cash of the book, LE stuff, and the terrain. I'm cool either way. Should be happy as now I don't have to throw money at them.