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I think all of those ideas look way worse than GW's Epic 40k throwback. It's not like this was the absolute best they could come up with, or they sat around a board room and brainstormed this thing up. They specifically took a crummy old epic model, blew it up for 40k, and added swappable options. It reeks of nostalgia, while still fitting the current 40k aesthetic.

Call me a loner, but I'm a fan of the Khornemower; and even though I like the model, I love that nickname you guys attach to it as well.

 SickSix wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
YES. FINALLY. A BANEBLADE CROSS SECTION!

Now I can read Guy Haley's book and visualize it all better.


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Also, wow, you're allowed to have 4 sponsons on one tank. Jeez. I guess the 200 points to make it a High Command unit is justified somewhere else in the book?

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture and the book don't match up. GW is consistently inconsistent with fluff. Especially concerning vehicles.

First, you could take extra sponsons on the baneblade before. Second, the command upgrade is that expensive because it makes it both a HQ selection and a High Command formation, which seems to grant you an extra strategic asset (though I would guess you can only have 1 Supreme HQ in your army). And it does match up, as the points cost for command tank is the same on both the iTunes Baneblade pic and the GW Stormsword pic

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
YES. FINALLY. A BANEBLADE CROSS SECTION!

Now I can read Guy Haley's book and visualize it all better.


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Also, wow, you're allowed to have 4 sponsons on one tank. Jeez. I guess the 200 points to make it a High Command unit is justified somewhere else in the book?

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture and the book don't match up. GW is consistently inconsistent with fluff. Especially concerning vehicles.

First, you could take extra sponsons on the baneblade before. Second, the command upgrade is that expensive because it makes it both a HQ selection and a High Command formation, which seems to grant you an extra strategic asset (though I would guess you can only have 1 Supreme HQ in your army). And it does match up, as the points cost for command tank is the same on both the iTunes Baneblade pic and the GW Stormsword pic

Um, clearly you missed the point of everything you quoted. We were talking about the cross-section picture and Guy Haley's book 'Baneblade'. I was not discussing the rules picture at all.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Here are some pics of the best guess scaling using the 15mm scale Leviathan Crusader legs (soon to be released) The full size 28mm scale kit was WAAAYYYY too big to use with this kit.

Not a perfect fit but a little less suck IMO…

I love this idea! It would almost make it worthwhile to buy the Khornemower.

Sorry NoseGoblin, but the 15mm legs look way to small. I think the full size legs would be perfect.

 SickSix wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
YES. FINALLY. A BANEBLADE CROSS SECTION!

Now I can read Guy Haley's book and visualize it all better.


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Also, wow, you're allowed to have 4 sponsons on one tank. Jeez. I guess the 200 points to make it a High Command unit is justified somewhere else in the book?

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture and the book don't match up. GW is consistently inconsistent with fluff. Especially concerning vehicles.

Yeah... Maybe it's just me, but I can only seem to see 2 decks + turret deck in the cross-section, while Baneblade depicts it as 3 decks + turret deck. Oh well...

 SickSix wrote:
Sorry NoseGoblin, but the 15mm legs look way to small. I think the full size legs would be perfect.

I disagree. Longer legs would make his stubby little arms look too short.

I think he looks better on his bulldozer than he does on legs. Honestly the legs just make him look more static... and dull.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he looks better on his bulldozer than he does on legs. Honestly the legs just make him look more static... and dull.

Agreed. Long live the Skulldozer!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he looks better on his bulldozer than he does on legs. Honestly the legs just make him look more static... and dull.

Agreed.

I honestly don't think the Khornemower looks that bad, with it's regular helmet. It's not as good as the Tesseract Vault, but it's not near as bad as the first picture I saw.

Personally its the tanks on the back that throw me off. I would likely remove the tanks and center his torso on the treds. but that is likely not going to happen with him packing that hefty a price tag.

Well the bottom half will make for some nice conversion fodder.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Well the bottom half will make for some nice conversion fodder.

That's where you are supposed to use the extra Baneblade bitz.. Don't forget there's whole upper sections for both BB and SS in the box!

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Here are some pics of the best guess scaling using the 15mm scale Leviathan Crusader legs (soon to be released) The full size 28mm scale kit was WAAAYYYY too big to use with this kit.

Not a perfect fit but a little less suck IMO…

When I get my 15mm leviathan, I think I might do this, but maybe keep the Leviathan arms too... I dunno... there will be magnets involved for sure

First thing i thought of was "why doesnt that khorne thing have bloody legs? If I decide to convert it, I might go for a more defilier feel though, just to have the same table size as the tank body. Perhaps draggin chains of skulls/bodies?

Hell, I don't understand why it has a body. It would look so much better if the upper body was just completely mechanical or robotic, and only vaguely looked like an armored human torso (as opposed to now where it just looks like a fething WHF Chaos warrior 3-up stuck on a tank). Thinking sort of like an Ork vehicle here, with long, thin metal arms with hydraulics and stuff that end in blades, guns, etc. and a demonic mask/face not unlike the FW decimator.

 SickSix wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
YES. FINALLY. A BANEBLADE CROSS SECTION!

Now I can read Guy Haley's book and visualize it all better.


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Also, wow, you're allowed to have 4 sponsons on one tank. Jeez. I guess the 200 points to make it a High Command unit is justified somewhere else in the book?

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture and the book don't match up. GW is consistently inconsistent with fluff. Especially concerning vehicles.

First, you could take extra sponsons on the baneblade before. Second, the command upgrade is that expensive because it makes it both a HQ selection and a High Command formation, which seems to grant you an extra strategic asset (though I would guess you can only have 1 Supreme HQ in your army). And it does match up, as the points cost for command tank is the same on both the iTunes Baneblade pic and the GW Stormsword pic

Um, clearly you missed the point of everything you quoted. We were talking about the cross-section picture and Guy Haley's book 'Baneblade'. I was not discussing the rules picture at all.

I was responding to the "Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, wow, you're allowed to have 4 sponsons on one tank. Jeez. I guess the 200 points to make it a High Command unit is justified somewhere else in the book?" part.

The cross section is nice, but I personally like the Baneblade on the cover, where the gun barrel apetures are still large, but are actually realistic for once.

 Lobukia wrote:
When I get my 15mm leviathan, I think I might do this, but maybe keep the Leviathan arms too... I dunno... there will be magnets involved for sure

If you're going to go that far, you might as well just chaos up a 15mm Morti (skullface dontchaknow) and cut out GW completely.

This is a thought that pleases me.

 Gitkikka wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
When I get my 15mm leviathan, I think I might do this, but maybe keep the Leviathan arms too... I dunno... there will be magnets involved for sure

If you're going to go that far, you might as well just chaos up a 15mm Morti (skullface dontchaknow) and cut out GW completely.

This is a thought that pleases me.

No kidding! My god why would you spend $160 on that thing and then buy a 15mm crusader and then throw away 70% of the khornemower.

HA Khornemower! I'd buy the khornemower and a baneblade, and end up with 2 baneblades and a khorne model I would actually use

Just got word from my FLGS that the release has been postponed until next week because of the US.

 BrookM wrote:
Just got word from my FLGS that the release has been postponed until next week because of the US.

I'm pretty sure the release was supposed to be next week+ anyways?

 Enigwolf wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Just got word from my FLGS that the release has been postponed until next week because of the US.

I'm pretty sure the release was supposed to be next week+ anyways?

Well, it was news to us when we put the orders in today, as we were told to hype gak up for this weekend. Pardon the ignorance then.

If GW wanted to hype things up they could have done that for weeks before the pre-orders went up.

And yeah, I thought we all knew this was a two week pre-order rather than a one week pre-order?

I wonder what is the percentage of people who actually play Apocalypse games of all 40K gamers.

I am curious as to how many people actually play Apocalypse all the time. Is this played alot, or just once in a blue moon?

From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

Davor wrote:
I wonder what is the percentage of people who actually play Apocalypse games of all 40K gamers.

I am curious as to how many people actually play Apocalypse all the time. Is this played alot, or just once in a blue moon?

14.886%

Or, the real answer, no way of knowing...


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via Apocalypse 40K's FodaBett


Scoring
Scoring is done based on the number of strategic objectives controlled each break and at the end of the battle. There are six new scenarios to play and several dozen Strategic Assets, which allow you to outmaneuver your foes, place minefields in front of them or bombard them from orbit. Unnatural disasters erupt across the warzone or magma storms fall from the sky while seismic explosions rip apart the battlefield. Your Warlords can even perform heroic acts during the game, which could potentially turn the tide of battle. Just make sure they don't get killed while doing it there's nothing quite so tragic as having your commander blown to bits in their finest hour.

Formations
Necton Tesseract Vault and the Obelisk: Both of the Vaults have the Seismic Assault Ascendant Power (you've got to give them two out of a list of six, and all of them are truly nasty), which unleashes a massive 6D6 S8 AP3 shots per turn (new apoc barage). The Obelisk: its Gravity Pulse ability automatically hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.

Space Marine Battle Company: Orbital Strike Strategic Asset and the Comrades-in-Arms rule, which enables all squads in the Battle Company to fire overwatch for nearby allies when they are assaulted.

Tau Riptide Wing: 3+ Riptides gains Coordinated Attacks and Networked Reactors

Eldar WraithKnight Dreamwalker Squad: 3-5 Wraithknights. Gains Dreamwalk (fluff mentions faster response times)

IG Baneblade: 525 pts (with no sponsons), can take 2 sets of sponsons for 50pts a pair (lost option for flamer sponsons and option for extra armor), commisar tank upgrade for 45pts, and command tank upgrade for 200pts. HK/Stubber/SB all as guard codex

Space Marine Librarius: five+ Librarians, will unleash a Force Vortex. Woe betide anyone who is caught in that!

Space Marine Predator Assassin Squadron: Three new Predator Annihilators should be a match for most armoured targets (their killshot rule makes their firepower even more dangerous than usual. making them fire as a D-weapon if all their lascannons hit). At the start of the game I have to nominate a chosen target and they do a lot better against that (all weapons are twin-linked), but as long as I choose the right formation for the right targets, they will be deadly.

CSM Legionnaire Warband: units have Hatred and be Fearless, so long as they're within 12" of a Space Marine. Warlord may call Finest Hour. So Death Guard with Typhus get Feel No Pain and Fearless.

CSM Heldrake Fear Squadron: pre-game Vector Strike, as well as its 'always-on ' Daemonforge.

Strategic Assets
Crusade Banner: Pick a Marine standard bearer, all marine units with models within 24" gain FNP

Camouflage: any army. Pick a friendly HQ unit. Friendly units within 24" of that model have shrouded the first turn of the game

Blind Barrage: The same

Trophy Kill: Strategic Asset rewards us with three extra victory points if we can kill the enemy Warmaster.

Entropic Plague: Strategic Asset, which, on the turn I use it, strips every model within 3D6" of my Warlord of its armour save.

Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

That's just so utterly lazy and lacking in creativity I'm actually, genuinely, a bit sad.

I think I'm in mourning for the game I love, because it just doesn't exist right now.

Dundas wrote:
From todays GW news:

"The skullhurler fires, you'll not be surprised to learn, a massive skull, which creates a vast explosion upon impact, sending out hundreds of daemonically infused skulls to chomp their way through nearby enemies."

Some things are just beyond parody...

The author must be really trying to do it, maybe an attempt to break free from the corporate mold. I can't believe anyone would write that with a straight face.

Davor wrote:
I wonder what is the percentage of people who actually play Apocalypse games of all 40K gamers.

I am curious as to how many people actually play Apocalypse all the time. Is this played alot, or just once in a blue moon?

Dunno. My group plays 2-3 Apoc games a year. We currently have 5 players, and probably will only have 4 soon.