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got a peek at the stompa page. 170 points price hike, same stats, gatler lost coaxial, suparokkits are now large blast. effigy range reduced to 6. 12 hull points. not sure what size massive blast is, but that's what the deff kannon is listed with.

Blast: 3"
Large Blast: 5"
Massive Blast: 7"
Apocalyptic Blast: 10"
Apocalyptic Mega-Blast: 5/10/15"

katfude wrote:
got a peek at the stompa page. 170 points price hike, same stats, gatler lost coaxial, suparokkits are now large blast. effigy range reduced to 6. 12 hull points. not sure what size massive blast is, but that's what the deff kannon is listed with.

Massive Blast is 7", so no change there.

It seems like most superheavies are getting price hikes (baneblade, stompa, stormsword) except for superheavy transports which are getting drops (thunderhawk, stormlord)

So, my templates, dice, vengeance weapons batteries and firestorm redoubt arrived today.

First, the vengeance battery:



The box is about the size of two rhinos side by side (the box will be a useful transport case for them actually)


Here's the crazy (and new to me) part - the pieces have been removed from the sprue and packed in plastic bags (a la FW). This is fine as it saves time but as a modeller I'm not thrilled as the drone/slave worker/killbot 2000 GW used to remove the parts from the sprue was not as careful as I would have been. As a result, you have some holes where the sprue has "pulled" out of the plastic.

These will take about 5 minutes to build (plus another hour fixing the holes caused by worker drone #14764 removing parts from the sprue). Interestingly, the guns are one piece with nice big bores. They have to be fixed in place, but for those wanting to interchange weapons, the punisher barrel fits into the end of the battle cannon!



With rules as advertised!


Now for the Firestorm redoubt


Once again, parts removed from sprue and packed in bags:


It's a good size kit, with big chunky lascannons and will go well with my Wall o' Dead Cadians

And again, rules as promised


All up, not too bad. When I first saw the parts in the bag I thought, wow, they are even dumbing down the models now. But on reflection, this appears a way to reduce the size of the boxes to, I assume, save shelf space. I certainly hope they don't go down this route with their other kits and it is making me think twice about the Aquila Strongpoint (so many bitz that will need remedial work thanks to sprue-bot 2000.)

I wish I could read those 40k rules, any chance of a close up?

You can go to his Gallery and zoom in on them, the Weapon Batteries are quite awesome.

Hmm, they were not gallery pics for me before but seem to work now

So the batteries look pretty decent for 75 points, 20 S5 shots haha

Stronghold looks to expensive at 200 points, even with heavy 2 twinlinked lascannons, Im guessing because they are automated that BS is 2?

 Cheexsta wrote:
Just received my preorder - I got the cards, the template set and the vortex grenade template (sorry, no rulebook - I'm going digital).

 Gordy2000 wrote:
So, my templates, dice, vengeance weapons batteries and firestorm redoubt arrived today.

Why can't you Aussies order rulebooks?

He can, he just chose to go Digital

Why can't you Aussies order rulebooks?

Why can't you Poms tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand flags? (hint, count the stars...or alternatively, Aussies are the ones who beat you at cricket, Kiwis are the ones who beat you at rugby )

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Here's the crazy (and new to me) part - the pieces have been removed from the sprue and packed in plastic bags (a la FW). This is fine as it saves time but as a modeller I'm not thrilled as the drone/slave worker/killbot 2000 GW used to remove the parts from the sprue was not as careful as I would have been. As a result, you have some holes where the sprue has "pulled" out of the plastic.

It's like GW decided that the solution to finecast being so much worse than plastic was to make plastic just as bad. At least it's even easier not to buy these now.

 tuiman wrote:
Hmm, they were not gallery pics for me before but seem to work now

So the batteries look pretty decent for 75 points, 20 S5 shots haha

Stronghold looks to expensive at 200 points, even with heavy 2 twinlinked lascannons, Im guessing because they are automated that BS is 2?

So this means they can't be manned and they are automated only?

meh_ wrote:
So this means they can't be manned and they are automated only?

Well, the Batteries can't have models in them at all and the Redoubt has a special rule to stop them from using it.

BS2 isn't that bad!
Heavy 20 means that you'll hit 7 rounds and against T4 that are around 5 wounds.
Heavy 2 with Twin-Linked results into 1.11 hit on average. You also have two of them, so you have 2.22 hits from the entire thing.

 xttz wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
Just received my preorder - I got the cards, the template set and the vortex grenade template (sorry, no rulebook - I'm going digital).

 Gordy2000 wrote:
So, my templates, dice, vengeance weapons batteries and firestorm redoubt arrived today.

Why can't you Aussies order rulebooks?

I'm now kind of regretting my choice :(

No matter, should be available for download in the morning.

Kangodo wrote:
He can, he just chose to go Digital

Yeah I'm just bored at work and wanted to throw a few questions at someone with the book

If the defences are all automated only, at least Tyranids can use them now.

Gordy, any chance of a close up of some of the damage from where the parts have been pulled from the sprue?

Sure thing - not the greatest pics but you get the idea:





The damage isn't outrageous, but its annoying because it is so unnecessary. Those are holes in the barrels that will need to be filled with putty, filed and sanded. Frankly, two seconds of care when removing them from the sprue could have avoided it entirely.

Having had a closer look, the plastic used is quite different from the usual kits. More waxy (brittle?). These are not cheap kits, so its a bit of a shame.

Not enough for me to regret buying them and with a bit of work they should look great, but a little frustrating all the same.

Oh wow, new boxing method AND new material.

You're right, it isn't outrageous but this could become the norm, and that would be outrageous. Imagine if every box of space marines required greenstuffing.

I'm trade marking Fineplastic

ok so wait, those batteries Firestorm redoubt are Bs2 TL heavy 2, with those automated rules do i get to pick a target? i cant read it very well in those pics sorry. or does it auto choose the nearest thing? as well as that i spose that at 200 points for normal 40k its going to be a ahh bit average :( 200 would be acceptable if it could be manned and user BS.
at this point range 2 quadguns seem significantly more effictive :(

They aim for the closest Flyer or Flying Monstrous Creature in line of sight. If no such target exists, they aim for the closest enemy unit.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
ok so wait, those batteries Firestorm redoubt are Bs2 TL heavy 2, with those automated rules do i get to pick a target? i cant read it very well in those pics sorry. or does it auto choose the nearest thing? as well as that i spose that at 200 points for normal 40k its going to be a ahh bit average :( 200 would be acceptable if it could be manned and user BS.
at this point range 2 quadguns seem significantly more effictive :(

200 points for a pair of quad linked Icarus lascannons would be cheap if they could be manned. Even 250 would be low. Being able to man something that is 2 shots twin linked with skyfire and interceptor would be devastating to fliers and anything coming in from reserves. Imagine putting Telion on one and sniping out terminators who deepstruck, or someone with tank hunter and killing any vehicle that tried to come in from reserve.


As for the odd plastic of the scenery, they used the same stuff in the other Wall of Martyrs kit. It feels different, and a little bit denser (probably to deal with divot/flexing problems on large flat pieces.) I really doubt normal models will th seeing the likes of spruebot 2000 anytime soon. For normal kits it just adds time and cost as well as additional packaging. The scenery probably is on oddly shaped sprues, so they cut it off which also allows them to do a smaller box.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Here's the crazy (and new to me) part - the pieces have been removed from the sprue and packed in plastic bags (a la FW).

What the feth?

I'm guessing this means they can make efficiently-packed master sprues, then separate and only give you what they want rather than being bound by manufacturing process to give you an entire sprue. It's kind smart on their part, but it's dumb they didn't clip off safely.

But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

Maybe cash is a bit tight and they can't afford to give away free bits of plastic that they could re-use...

At least they're getting recycled.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

the ability to recycle the plastic that went into the spruce and reduce materials costs.

Think about it, for a box of gretchin the sprue is almost the same volume f plastic as the models, so if they could reuse that plastic that's almost halving materials costs for that particular box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But what do they gain by not giving us the sprue?

Power

I don't buy it. If that was the case, why start now? Why weren't they doing it earlier?