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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 02:40:22
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Puscifer wrote:
Yeah, this disappointed me too.
Still gonna take one in some games.
There's not really a need for it to be included in the book, as the Wraithseer's rules have the "Warhammer 40,000" stamp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 03:55:53
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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So that's:
$75 for the main rulebook.
$50 for Codex: Eldar
$40 (?) for Codex: Iyanden
And then about $100 with shipping for the FW book that has the most up-to-date Eldar rules in it so you can play with units like the wraithseer.
And GW is a "model company" first and foremost, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 09:11:49
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah, absolutely no need to include the Wraithseer stats
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 09:26:07
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Major
London
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Kanluwen wrote:Puscifer wrote:
Yeah, this disappointed me too.
Still gonna take one in some games.
There's not really a need for it to be included in the book, as the Wraithseer's rules have the "Warhammer 40,000" stamp.
That won't stop people bleating about it being "illegal" and other such stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 14:51:23
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Hmm, would have expected the Shining Spear Phoenix Lord's Celestial Lance to show up in Codex: Eldar or Codex: Saim-Hann; seems like a weird fit for just Iyanden.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 15:14:36
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
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Sidstyler wrote:So that's:
$75 for the main rulebook.
$50 for Codex: Eldar
$40 (?) for Codex: Iyanden
And then about $100 with shipping for the FW book that has the most up-to-date Eldar rules in it so you can play with units like the wraithseer.
And GW is a "model company" first and foremost, lol.
Well, of course they are. It is far more profitable to sell a couple plastic sprues for $50 or $115 than it is to produce a physical book for $50 or $75.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:32:58
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Guarding Guardian
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maybe it's just me, but doesn't is appear as if many features of a codex refer to the main rule book, such as special rules. Granted there are additional things such as Bladestorm, etc... but overall it would appear that GW is trying to make it easier to update rules and still keep the codex for an army up to date. What this would mean for players is that even when 7th edition drops, it would still allow an army to be played with the updated rule book.
All one has to do is look at the sheer number of references going back to the rule book for the armies that have been released. What this shows me is that my Eldar codex and by connection the Iyanden supplement should remain largely valid even should a new edition of the rule book appear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:40:05
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Dakka Veteran
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Puscifer wrote:
Yeah, this disappointed me too.
Still gonna take one in some games.
There's not really a need for it to be included in the book, as the Wraithseer's rules have the "Warhammer 40,000" stamp.
That won't stop people bleating about it being "illegal" and other such stuff.
Except Forgeworld stuff is no longer illegal, or "ask your opponent" only anymore. So someone can complain all they want, but they are considered official now.
Iron Father Mac wrote:maybe it's just me, but doesn't is appear as if many features of a codex refer to the main rule book, such as special rules. Granted there are additional things such as Bladestorm, etc... but overall it would appear that GW is trying to make it easier to update rules and still keep the codex for an army up to date. What this would mean for players is that even when 7th edition drops, it would still allow an army to be played with the updated rule book.
All one has to do is look at the sheer number of references going back to the rule book for the armies that have been released. What this shows me is that my Eldar codex and by connection the Iyanden supplement should remain largely valid even should a new edition of the rule book appear.
6th edition is going to be around for a long time. The plan will be to get all the codices up to date as quickly as possible, and then continue with the supplement releases - whether a game supplement, such as Apocalypse; or army-specific, such as Iyanden - to give everyone something fresh to play with every so often.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:43:17
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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brassangel wrote:
Except Forgeworld stuff is no longer illegal, or "ask your opponent" only anymore. So someone can complain all they want, but they are considered official now.
So you're going to sue people refusing to play against you? I sure wanna see that!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:51:57
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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[DCM]
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He said he was going to sue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:53:11
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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brassangel wrote:
Except Forgeworld stuff is no longer illegal, or "ask your opponent" only anymore. So someone can complain all they want, but they are considered official now.
Well, until the main 40k rulebook says 'All forgeworld is part of the main game', people aren't going to accept your assertion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 17:58:12
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Any word on the the restrictions on this army? All I hear are additions. Would like to know what they lose for these bonuses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 18:03:40
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Fixture of Dakka
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Doesn't seem to have any restrictions like a normal sub-army would have. Honestly, it feels really lazy and a blatant money grab. You don't even have to use the entire Iyanden book as it's basically just addons to Eldar units that you can use in conjunction with standard Eldar.
There is no reason to not buy the book since who cares if you play Iyanden or not, just give each character wargear from one book, then another wargear from the other. You can even have Asurmen take Iyanden warlord traits while your warlocks use non-iyanden powers!. This would not be an issue if they included these secondary abilities in the main book. As it stands, IMO they purposefully left them out of the main Eldar book in order to fleece you for 50$ more.
The Eldar: Codex basically costs 100$ now since all options are fully compatible with one another in the same army list, this is NOT a sub-codex but additional pages to the main one.
Do I like additional options? Yes, is it absurd they didn't include them in the main book? Also yes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 19:19:42
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote: brassangel wrote:
Except Forgeworld stuff is no longer illegal, or "ask your opponent" only anymore. So someone can complain all they want, but they are considered official now.
Well, until the main 40k rulebook says 'All forgeworld is part of the main game', people aren't going to accept your assertion.
welp as a good rule of thumb in a casual game I still talk to my opponent about it before using a FW unit so they know about it and it doesnt turn into a gotcha moment, my interest in being a good sport about things and having a good time always out weights my interest in using a FW model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 19:24:14
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Fixture of Dakka
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Every single unit is only usable with opponent's permission.. Plenty of people won't play against an army they consider "cheesy" in a casual environment. Is FW in the base rules? Nah, but there comes a point where it's all just semantics. The reality is, you can more easily field FW in a casual game than you could a wraith + annihilation barge army or heldrake spam.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 19:33:58
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Kirasu wrote:The reality is, you can more easily field FW in a casual game than you could a wraith + annihilation barge army or heldrake spam.
Umm. Depends on your local area. The exact opposite is true around here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 19:40:17
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Infiltrating Oniwaban
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Sidstyler wrote:So that's:
$75 for the main rulebook.
$50 for Codex: Eldar
$40 (?) for Codex: Iyanden
And then about $100 with shipping for the FW book that has the most up-to-date Eldar rules in it so you can play with units like the wraithseer.
And GW is a "model company" first and foremost, lol.
Please do not discuss piracy on DakkaDakka. See this post;
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/532568.page
Thanks,
Ryan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 19:49:44
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Savnock wrote: Sidstyler wrote:So that's:
$75 for the main rulebook.
$50 for Codex: Eldar
$40 (?) for Codex: Iyanden
And then about $100 with shipping for the FW book that has the most up-to-date Eldar rules in it so you can play with units like the wraithseer.
And GW is a "model company" first and foremost, lol.
Please do not discuss piracy on DakkaDakka. See this post;
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/532568.page
Thanks,
Ryan
Kindly explain where in this post any mention of piracy is present, other than your own head?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 20:04:50
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Solahma
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The red text is not referring to the quoted text -- it refers to text replaced by the red text (which was referring to the quoted text).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 20:15:17
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Manchu wrote:The red text is not referring to the quoted text -- it refers to text replaced by the red text (which was referring to the quoted text).
Ah, that explains why I thought he was posting like a mod!
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/11 15:12:18
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Death-Dealing Devastator
UK
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Is it just me or is the wraithknight wearing High heels?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/11 17:13:11
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Vivster wrote:Is it just me or is the wraithknight wearing High heels?
No, it is just you wearing high heels
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/11 17:42:54
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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Vivster wrote:Is it just me or is the wraithknight wearing High heels?
Epic Eldar Fire Gale Knight (center fig) has high(er) heels...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/11 18:54:00
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Regular Dakkanaut
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[quote=Kanluwen
There's not really a need for it to be included in the book, as the Wraithseer's rules have the "Warhammer 40,000" stamp.
It's needed because all the things that can be cast on wl, wk, and wg cannot be cast on the spirtseer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/11 20:35:34
Subject: Re:"Codex: Iyanden"
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Drone without a Controller
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haroon wrote:[quote=Kanluwen
There's not really a need for it to be included in the book, as the Wraithseer's rules have the "Warhammer 40,000" stamp.
It's needed because all the things that can be cast on wl, wk, and wg cannot be cast on the spirtseer.
IM steping beyong my knowledge here since i just read the Wraithseer rules once but, wasnt he a HQ choice? And over it, hes a Farseer, i see it as normal that its not the same as his Wraith brethren, since hes something like a step above on sentient and mechanincal level of complexity. Of course, being able to "heal" a WK and not a WS its weird fluff wise, but not everithing its going to keep up perfectly rule wise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 00:54:43
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 01:13:06
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Hey- So can anyone tell me if the shadow council replaces a warlock Council? Or can I take both? I want to double up with seers & warlocks on my guardian blobs, for my ugly ugly ulthwe footlist.
Think of all the psychers!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 01:34:18
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Fresh-Faced Inquisitorial Acolyte
Atlanta,Ga
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One or the other not both
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60000Salamanders : 50000
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 16:12:32
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Tpiddy wrote:Hey- So can anyone tell me if the shadow council replaces a warlock Council? Or can I take both? I want to double up with seers & warlocks on my guardian blobs, for my ugly ugly ulthwe footlist.
Think of all the psychers!
You can. Shadow Council simply states that you can take 5 Spirtseers in one HQ slot. I believe warlock council is still indepent of the HQ slot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 20:27:58
Subject: "Codex: Iyanden"
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Dakka Veteran
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So is this thing coming out Saturday? I've not seen Pre order one for it.
Physical copy that is. iPad would be great but I have a problem when it comes to collecting books.
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