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Okay i have someone argueing that Forgeworld and Black library fluff over-rides the new tau codex fluff. He said ask any 40k forum. So thus with both Dakkadakka and bolter and Chainsword being the two most know forums in the U.S. i decide hey why not prove my point even further.

Errr.... About what fluff exactly?

Tau not having FTL in the new codex. It actually makes Tau lose to Halo of all things in factpile.

It's generally accepted that GW codex fluff supersedes all other fluff, since it's coming straight from the source and not being diluted by other companies (who often have their own agendas like building a story in a certain way, for example).

If there's no conflict between a BL book and a codex, them great, the BL book can be accepted as canon. But if there's a conflict between a codex and a BL book/FW book, then the codex would be considered correct, since it's coming direct from GW.

redfeild32 wrote:
Tau not having FTL in the new codex. It actually makes Tau lose to Halo of all things in factpile.

Wow is that true? So what do they use now generation ships etc?

I did not know that they had retconned that much of the background - Tau have always had slow Warp travel as without navigators they cant go "deep" into the Warp only skim it....

There is no canon.

redfeild32 wrote:Okay i have someone argueing that Forgeworld and Black library fluff over-rides the new tau codex fluff. He said ask any 40k forum. So thus with both Dakkadakka and bolter and Chainsword being the two most know forums in the U.S. i decide hey why not prove my point even further.

If you want to "prove" anything, I'd rather point to various statements from the game designers and novel authors themselves rather than some user poll - especially given that many fans still seem resistent to accepting them, instead preferring the urban rumour of there being an official canon of fluff, especially as popular sources such as Lexicanum still propagate it. I did so myself for a long time just because it was how other fans explained it to me as I first joined the hobby ... until I noticed all the contradictions and started to dig for the actual word from those people who have to know.

Just point your friend to this collection of quotes, and feel free to browse the sources linked to each statement - the one from Aaron Dembski-Bowden (who, in case the name does not ring a bell, is a fairly popular Black Library author) in particular is fairly enlightening, as he posted lengthy explanations on this subject here in a thread on dakka.

Long story short, there is no canon in the sense that there is some sort of "truth" in one of the books. It's all just interpretations and visions and legends and myths, and it is up to you as the individual gamer to decide for yourself how your 40k looks like. I myself have a "rule" that I regard anything from GW as true for my personal interpretation of the setting, and anything else is just optional and would be added to my vision only if it fits - but that's just how I see it, and it's no more true or correct than someone elses interpretation from some BL novel or a Forgeworld book. The same applies in reverse, of course, which is why ultimately your someone is incorrect. FW and BL fluff only overrides Codex material if the individual fan wants it.

In a way, we all have our own little 40k. See Gav's quote.

 Mr Morden wrote:

redfeild32 wrote:
Tau not having FTL in the new codex. It actually makes Tau lose to Halo of all things in factpile.

Wow is that true? So what do they use now generation ships etc?

I did not know that they had retconned that much of the background - Tau have always had slow Warp travel as without navigators they cant go "deep" into the Warp only skim it....

Though their new codex does mention that they've captured an Imperial warp drive, so you could assume that they're likely about to start messing around with the warp anyway.

Does the new codex actually say they have no FTL ability, or does it just remark on their poor FTL ability (which is the way it has always been)?

I consider the FFG fluff as the most canon

They have no full access to the Warp and simply skim the surface as they've always had.

That's not the same as not having FTL at all.