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Hey Guys, Im taking part in a tourdement at the end of june and would like advice on what to take for my orks, i am going completely competitive.
Ive been playing 40k since 2007 and i know how to play but i have not really used my orks in 6th edtion so what do you guys recommend for an 1850 point list.

P.S i have 8000 points of orks so im not short on boyz

Over in the Army List section is another thread that has talked briefly about competitive ork lists in tournaments.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/531842.page#5707341

We can never have enough Ork threads!

The Orks have a bunch of competitive units (and a metric gak ton of useless ones). Biker Nobs, Lootas, Dakkajets, Shoota Boyz are the usual rhetoric. Big Guns are a hidden gem.

How do you like to play? A fat, static gunline and nofun? Highly mobile assault Orks? Green tide?

 Dakkamite wrote:
We can never have enough Ork threads!

The Orks have a bunch of competitive units (and a metric gak ton of useless ones). Biker Nobs, Lootas, Dakkajets, Shoota Boyz are the usual rhetoric. Big Guns are a hidden gem.

How do you like to play? A fat, static gunline and nofun? Highly mobile assault Orks? Green tide?

I usually use green tide backed up with batlewagons and nobs. i believe in quanity over quality so im considering 3 dakkajets and zapp guns with a tide of boyz

If want competitiveness, you shouldn't even think about looking at zzapguns. Kannons beat them in every aspect besides shooting 2+ armor and are more versatile due to two fire modes anyways. If you manage to hit three terminators with the blast the kannon will even outdo the zzap gun in that area.

If you are running a green tide, leave your battlewagon at home. The whole point of the green tide is to make anti-vehicle weapons shoot boyz and thus make your opponent waste shooting power. As soon as you bring a target for them, you lose that advantage - and it's not like a single battlewagon will reach the enemy's lines anywas. You should either replace them with biker nobz, or just spend the points on more lootas/jets/boyz.

My usual competitive ork list around 1500-1750 pts involve a bikernob group + boss, 1-2 groups of 10 lootas, and however many boyz i can get. Kannons are great additions since they kinda deter things from wanting to just dive at your lootas and theyre dirt cheap anyway (3 full batteries w/ ammo runts is still cheaper than a 20man boyz blob with all the normal toys available to them).

My losses with this tactic are the few times i go against a list specifically meant to deal with hordes (unless its nids, thats rare. Nids dual devourer tyrants just decimate sooo many boyz...) or i blundered my tactics like an idiot.

As Jidmah said, forget the zzaps. You need baller dice to deal more vehicle popping damage than kannons do, and they rarely get a shot at anything with a 2+ armor anyway (with 120+ boyz, everything is in combat if its not hugging the other board edge). Also, theyre expensive as hell compare to kannons. Not to mention they have a tendency to paste a crewmember, which is bad since theyre kinda hard to wound without wasting some high strength shots on them.

So you guys find that green tide generally works better than triple battlewagons?

AV 14 is still very hard to dislodge so if you're going with battlewgons, just do a lot of them. three is good, but more is better. or at least keep a very mechanized list with them. Keep squishy troops in them or out of range of anti-infantry fire. Make sure that your infantry without a ride are really hard to kill (bikernobz/kannons). The idea still applies that you want them to be unable to, or very inefficiently use half of their weaponry, so if you've got a bunch of battle wagons, they cant use their anti infantry weaponry. And with enough BWs, losing one or maybe two in the first turn wont hurt so bad, then a turn 2 charge imfantry and go to town deffrolling all their vehicles. The one reason that BWs aren't recommended quite so much anymore is because when they blow up, with only a 6+ save you can expect half of the squad inside to die. Those squads just get repurposed to objective camping. And also units like meganobz that actually have saves would just shrug that off.

[edit]. Lol totally lost track of the topic of this thread in that tangent. So, in other words, as far as tournament setting is concerned, no. It's not quite as competitive as green tide. Still really, really fun though.

I really don't think battlewagons are any good. That said I've never run more than two. Given how they performed I imagine three would honestly be no better. Seeing deff rolla #1 get killed by the first Lascannon shot, and deff rolla #2 do exactly one penetrating hit / stun to a rhino before also blowing up... yeah forget that.

Now eight, thats where I'd start to consider them. But at that level I'd be taking them for the rollas not the AV 14 and Supa Trakks can do the same thing for half the price.

I really should give it a try considering I have eight vehicles that can be used at battlewagons...

As for Green Tide, it works, but god its a pain in the ass. Moving 100+ models per turn is not fun at all and I imagine in a tournament scene it would be dreadful. I leave my horde Orks to the world of video games and play them in smaller numbers on the table

 Dakkamite wrote:
I really don't think battlewagons are any good. That said I've never run more than two. Given how they performed I imagine three would honestly be no better. Seeing deff rolla #1 get killed by the first Lascannon shot, and deff rolla #2 do exactly one penetrating hit / stun to a rhino before also blowing up... yeah forget that.

Now eight, thats where I'd start to consider them. But at that level I'd be taking them for the rollas not the AV 14 and Supa Trakks can do the same thing for half the price.

I really should give it a try considering I have eight vehicles that can be used at battlewagons...

As for Green Tide, it works, but god its a pain in the ass. Moving 100+ models per turn is not fun at all and I imagine in a tournament scene it would be dreadful. I leave my horde Orks to the world of video games and play them in smaller numbers on the table

I'll tell yeh dakky, running 3+ (3 is the magic numbah!) battlewagons with deffrollahs you do some good crumpin. i love doing it at 1k-1,5k games

I firmly believe in 3x BW in 1k-1500 and 3-5 in 1500-1999.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
I firmly believe in 3x BW in 1k-1500 and 3-5 in 1500-1999.

Ended third in a tournament where i had 3 battlewagons stacked up with shoota boyzon 1750, along with 2 dakkajets and a group of nob bikers + warboss on bike
Oohh... and a little group of 10 lootas...

Good fun

but you can only have 3 for boyz, the other 1-2 battlewagons would be dedicated for nobz/meganobz. Are you guys just putting 4-6 meganobz in the 4th battlewagon and calling it good?

That could be part of my problem with wagon lists (that and bad luck). I never ran more than 3 at 1500-1750 range because i'd rather hide a much cheaper trukk behind the battlewagons to hold my MANz. That trukk usually doesnt get popped unless im against a barrage gun, or they got insane luck and popped 1-2 wagons turn 1 (which im screwed at that point anyway).

Or are you guys playing on the rule that it doesnt say the dedicated transport must START WITH the unit its dedicated to? As in, get bikernobz a dedicated wagon and deploy it empty with 20boyz sitting next to it. They can turn 1 jump in the wagon and move 12/13 inches but just cant turboboost (unless they faq'd it, brb denied going flat out if you embark)

Pretty sure it's been FAQed to say Biker Nobs can't get transports.

Also my understanding is that they only have to deploy with their ded. trans if they come in from reserves or something.

As it is, I suppose three wagons with KFF could be ok. A Lascannon has like a 12% chance of a BOOM per hit on front armour with the KFF. And when it BOOMs, which it will, 3-4 of the ten boys who get injured will survive because of it.

Coming from reserve it would have to be with it yea but when its just deployed normally the brb only says it cannot start with a unit embarked except the unit it was bought for, says nothing bout having the unit it was bought for just sitting outside of it.

Also, nothing in the FAQ removes the nobz ability to take dedicated transports. Bike upgrade just prevents them from embarking it.

 Dakkamite wrote:
Pretty sure it's been FAQed to say Biker Nobs can't get transports.

Also my understanding is that they only have to deploy with their ded. trans if they come in from reserves or something.

As it is, I suppose three wagons with KFF could be ok. A Lascannon has like a 12% chance of a BOOM per hit on front armour with the KFF. And when it BOOMs, which it will, 3-4 of the ten boys who get injured will survive because of it.

My meta got little of those lascannons since sixth eddition. andwhen i run more than three its either with Ia:8 allies wich irecently picked up thnx to you or playing double force org. that kff once saved me from 3 melta shots in a single turn

haha what a joke.
You're drunk, go home.

 poppa G wrote:
haha what a joke.
You're drunk, go home.

You are in need of some green dice and faith in Gork & Mork.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Also, nothing in the FAQ removes the nobz ability to take dedicated transports. Bike upgrade just prevents them from embarking it.

oi
from codex entry: Transport: Nobs Mobs (except Nob bikers) may take...

Ah, so it says it in the actual codex lol nvm. So used to ignoring the funky details in old codexes and reffing the faq instead guess i just didnt read it properly lol (like Ghaz's Waaagh! - had someone go through my dex and call me a cheater for saying it does this when the dex says that....when what 20% of that entire rule DIDNT get reworded? lol).

Well that aside a group of MANz in a battlewagon + Maddok is nothing to shake a stick at. Though without it being a large point game you arent doing this AND bikernobz lol.

180 boyz+ Kannons+Dakkajets+Big Meks w/ KFF=Win