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**DemetriDominov**

Melissia wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh stop being such a Negative Nancy. Give it a chance Mel.
Maybe when I hear something about it that's actually good.

Like.... what? It actually being released?

**Melissia**

To be fair, at this point, we don't even know if this will be released. I mean the other ones weren't...

**AWesker1976**

DemetriDominov wrote:
Melissia wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh stop being such a Negative Nancy. Give it a chance Mel.
Maybe when I hear something about it that's actually good.

Like.... what? It actually being released?

If you actually read her posts, you would see the things that concern her.

**unmercifulconker**

Whats better than a warhammer 40k game where thousands of people fight in a 4 way battle for control of the planet, which plays like Space Marine?

Edit: Wasnt the reason that DM went down was because THQ died?

**Minx**

BrotherVord wrote:
It's annoying, however, to see so many people demanding that the game be totally free except for cosmetic changes to a toon...do you guys realize how expensive it is to make an mmo? Do you really think it's possible to recoup that cost by having people pay only for little trophies, dyes, and doodads for their toons? I don't.

So perhaps the free-to-play-model is the wrong one for a game like this then? Full price game or subscriptions might work better. Otherwise they won't make enough money to keep this game going with their hidden pay-to-play scheme.

**pities2004**

unmercifulconker wrote:
Whats better than a warhammer 40k game where thousands of people fight in a 4 way battle for control of the planet, which plays like Space Marine?

Edit: Wasnt the reason that DM went down was because THQ died?

It was a money pit and they had to keep cutting the funding until it eventually was turned into a single player game that was canned when THQ offed itself

**BrotherVord**

Minx wrote:
BrotherVord wrote:
It's annoying, however, to see so many people demanding that the game be totally free except for cosmetic changes to a toon...do you guys realize how expensive it is to make an mmo? Do you really think it's possible to recoup that cost by having people pay only for little trophies, dyes, and doodads for their toons? I don't.

So perhaps the free-to-play-model is the wrong one for a game like this then? Full price game or subscriptions might work better. Otherwise they won't make enough money to keep this game going with their hidden pay-to-play scheme.

If you want to go to that extreme. I think that a game like this can succeed on a free to play model, but gamers need to stop being so entitled and arrogant to think that unless a game does X it will fail miserably. The armchair executives in the gaming community are just agonizing to me.

It's terribly damaging too, because gamers will hear something about a game that they don't like and they go on negative PR rampages that possibly sour others on the game. It's one thing to speak one's mind, it's another to hear about a feature that one doesn't like and go on a forum rampage preaching on the doom that will surely befall a game that doesn't have, or does have, a particular feature.

**RaptorsTalon**

Not sure if this has been posted already, but more information on this from E3:

New Warhammer 40k MMORPG Revealed at E3 2013

All hope is not lost, and we’ll finally be able to see a Warhammer 40k MMORPG! Behavior Interactive teamed up with Games Workshop and will bring us Warhammer 40k: Eternal Crusade sometime by the end of 2015.

Behavior Interactive describes Warhammer 40k MMORPG as a “3rd Person Persistent Online Action MMORPG of the 41st Millenium”

Warhammer 40k MMORPG will come PC, PS4 and Xbox One. In the game, players choose a Warhammer 40,000 race and fight directly as one of their warriors in massive conflicts for territory. It will be up to each faction’s community to determine their own destiny as they vie for control of an entire planet.

New Warhammer 40k MMORPG Revealed at E3 2013“I am thrilled to announce what will finally be the first MMORPG based on the Warhammer 40,000 license,” said Miguel Caron, Head of Studio, Online at Behaviour Interactive. “Eternal Crusade’s team are all MMO development veterans and with the support of Behaviour’s 20+ years of experience this is going to be the online Warhammer 40,000 universe game that fans have been dreaming of for years!”

“Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade is the second milestone in Behaviours new online strategic positioning after last year’s Star Citizen Announcement.” said Rémi Racine, President and Executive Producer of Behaviour. “We are very happy with the progress of the online studio and you should expect more similar announcements to come.”

“The depth, breadth and sheer level of detail that the Warhammer 40,000 universe has after 26 years of continuous development makes it one of the great fantasy settings of our times.” said Jon Gillard, Head of Licensing at Games Workshop. “Experiencing the thrill of first hand combat in this world of eternal conflict, with thousands of other players beside you, will be fantastic.”

Main features of the game include:
◾Experience the gameworld with 3rd-person, behind the shoulder action featuring precision gunplay and brutal melee combat with excruciating finishers;
◾Participate in a persistent online war to conquer the planet, its fate completely in the hands of the players;
◾Become a warrior from one of four initial factions, each unique and opposed to one another: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Orks and Eldar.
◾Participate in truly massive conflicts that simultaneously bring thousands of players to bear over territories and other strategic resources.
◾Get behind the controls of Space Marine Rhinos, Predators, Ork Battlewagons and other iconic vehicles of the 41st millennium;
◾Hack through genuinely challenging procedural content alongside your battle-brothers and never have the same experience twice;
◾Earn the right to customize your builds in a deep progression system drawing on the rich Warhammer 40,000 universe.
◾Found a Battle Squad with friends and prepare for conflict from your customized shared space in orbit – then drop down to the planet together and seek out glory!

http://mmopage.com/news/new-warhammer-40k-mmorpg-revealed-at-e3-2013

If what they have said about new devs who are 'MMO Veterans' is true, then this might actually be good, even though their track record is awful to say the least.

**Melissia**

unmercifulconker wrote:
Whats better than a warhammer 40k game where thousands of people fight in a 4 way battle for control of the planet, which plays like Space Marine?

A warhammer 40,000 game that isn't designed by a complete dumbass?

For example: "Durr, I know, let's make all free to play players exist for no reason other than to be slaughtered by the paying players who automatically, and with no extra effort, get to be five times s strong as the non-paying players! That'll convince them that this game is going to be fun and worth buying!" is bad game design. Nevermind the horrendous faction choices-- where two factions are practically identical and are stated by a developer to be overpowered, one faction is stated to be gimped, and the other one will probably be the least populated and also the only faction which can have female characters in it-- the other ones being male-only.

Everything I've heard about this game makes it sound like a rotting turd. I'm not going to willingly spend my time and money on a gakky game, and no amount of complaining from you will change that. If that makes me "entitled" then feth yeah I'm "entitled", and rightfully so. Seriously, what kind of person are you to try to claim that I should spend money on a game I don't want?

**pities2004**

Melissia wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
Whats better than a warhammer 40k game where thousands of people fight in a 4 way battle for control of the planet, which plays like Space Marine?
A warhammer 40,000 game that isn't designed by a complete dumbass?

For example: "Durr, I know, let's make all free to play players exist for no reason other than to be slaughtered by the paying players who automatically, and with no extra effort, get to be five times s strong as the non-paying players! That'll convince them that this game is going to be fun and worth buying!" is bad game design. Nevermind the horrendous faction choices-- where two factions are practically identical and are stated by a developer to be overpowered, one faction is stated to be gimped, and the other one will probably be the least populated and also the only faction which can have female characters in it-- the other ones being male-only.

I'm not going to willingly spend my time and money on a gakky game, and no amount of complaining from you will change that. If that makes me "entitled" then feth yeah I'm "entitled", and rightfully so. Seriously, what kind of person are you to try to claim that I should spend money on a game I don't want?

I'm not sure if this has been said but modern aged game design when it comes to MMO's is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at all costs.

If going Free 2 play, nerfing everyone but premium members makes them millions than they damn sure are going to do it.

I'm not looking forward to this game but time will tell.

Source: Game Designer Me.

**Melissia**

If they wanted to make millions they could do the GW2 method of selling the game in a box and then selling cosmetics, character slots, etc to continuously make money after release... instead of specifically saying they are making the game an unbalanced wreck.

**Sigvatr**

What's worse: I have this kind of feeling that they will sell Eldar as "good" or even "friends" with Space Marines...

**mattyrm**

Melissia wrote:
If they wanted to make millions they could do the GW2 method of selling the game in a box and then selling cosmetics, character slots, etc to continuously make money after release... instead of specifically saying they are making the game an unbalanced wreck.

I (when I used to play wow) was continually stunned at just how many people spend their money on that gak.. mounts and stuff for ten bucks a pop werent even remotely rare.

I was going to go on a tirade about it, but I changed my mind after I realised I spend about $100 a week on beer.

Each to their own I suppose eh?

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Sigvatr wrote:
What's worse: I have this kind of feeling that they will sell Eldar as "good" or even "friends" with Space Marines...

**pities2004**

Melissia wrote:
If they wanted to make millions they could do the GW2 method of selling the game in a box and then selling cosmetics, character slots, etc to continuously make money after release... instead of specifically saying they are making the game an unbalanced wreck.

Warhammer isn't as big a name as Guild Wars, so free to play would get more people to start playing right out of the gates.

**unmercifulconker**

Melissia wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
Whats better than a warhammer 40k game where thousands of people fight in a 4 way battle for control of the planet, which plays like Space Marine?
A warhammer 40,000 game that isn't designed by a complete dumbass?

For example: "Durr, I know, let's make all free to play players exist for no reason other than to be slaughtered by the paying players who automatically, and with no extra effort, get to be five times s strong as the non-paying players! That'll convince them that this game is going to be fun and worth buying!" is bad game design. Nevermind the horrendous faction choices-- where two factions are practically identical and are stated by a developer to be overpowered, one faction is stated to be gimped, and the other one will probably be the least populated and also the only faction which can have female characters in it-- the other ones being male-only.

Everything I've heard about this game makes it sound like a rotting turd. I'm not going to willingly spend my time and money on a gakky game, and no amount of complaining from you will change that. If that makes me "entitled" then feth yeah I'm "entitled", and rightfully so. Seriously, what kind of person are you to try to claim that I should spend money on a game I don't want?

And thats like, your opinion bro and thats cool.

**Melissia**

pities2004 wrote:
Melissia wrote:
If they wanted to make millions they could do the GW2 method of selling the game in a box and then selling cosmetics, character slots, etc to continuously make money after release... instead of specifically saying they are making the game an unbalanced wreck.

Warhammer isn't as big as Guild Wars, so free to play would all more people to start playing right out of the gates.

There are better ways to do free to play than the way they plan on doing it. For example, look at the way Champions Online does it-- free players have access to specific builds, which allow them to experience a wide range of gameplay, but paying players have access to massive amounts of customization that lets them make their characters truly their own and have their own unique builds. Each of the free to play default builds are fairly competitive, but the incentive is that people who pay to play want to make their own character, free from limitations, rather than because they want an outright stronger character.

Profitable or not, "pay to win" is bad game design.

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unmercifulconker wrote:
And thats like, your opinion bro and thats cool.

Keep in mind that that post wasn't JUST responding to yours, which is why the last paragraph was added.

**pities2004**

Melissia wrote:
pities2004 wrote:
Melissia wrote:
If they wanted to make millions they could do the GW2 method of selling the game in a box and then selling cosmetics, character slots, etc to continuously make money after release... instead of specifically saying they are making the game an unbalanced wreck.

Warhammer isn't as big as Guild Wars, so free to play would all more people to start playing right out of the gates.
There are better ways to do free to play than the way they plan on doing it. For example, look at the way Champions Online does it-- free players have access to specific builds, which allow them to experience a wide range of gameplay, but paying players have access to massive amounts of customization that lets them make their characters truly their own and have their own unique builds. Each of the free to play default builds are fairly competitive, but the incentive is that people who pay to play want to make their own character, free from limitations, rather than because they want an outright stronger character.

Profitable or not, "pay to win" is bad game design.

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unmercifulconker wrote:
And thats like, your opinion bro and thats cool.
Keep in mind that that post wasn't JUST responding to yours, which is why the last paragraph was added.

Champions started out as a full paid subscription based game. they had to switch in order to prevent shutting down the game.

**unmercifulconker**

Wonder when phase 2 will be unlocked, hopefully well get to hear some more news before or at GC.

**The Dark Apostle**

JWhex wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
The Dark Apostle wrote:
Guilds? So unofficial? Or just joinable? If there unofficial guilds then it'll probably be run by friendsand therefore only the guy who knows the leader will rank up....

Unofficial it seems, they want most decisions to be up to players which is a good idea imo but like you said there will be problems with this. Luckily I think when your guild picks leaders, heroes, diplomats etc, the vote is from the whole guild; well it should be because that way the choosing is fair. For example if we wanted to pick our Templar Marshal, we could pull everyones kill records together along with looking at how well they co-operate within the guild and how they take/give orders, rather than the vote being up to a say 5 guys who all know each other. I hope so anyway.

Besides if anyone notices a clear bias choosing, I am sure the GM's would be happy to sort it out.

Planetside 2 and EVE? Just the games I was hoping to hear.

Honestly I cant think of a worse possible way to origanize ranking up or whatever than to put it into the hands of players. Freaking linkshell drama queens and favortism will cause a huge amount of grief and people rage quiting, you can rely on it.

oh go, the reason I left space marine after a month was because of lack of becoming a good cool looking guy, I was hoping the daemona rmour would add some nice wings or talons but no, it looks like you need to be high ranking to look cool, and I will not play aminute of this game if I cant look badass because a kid wants his bestest friend to be his 2nd in command. I want official chapters an dpeople to be able to request a chapter providing its official. me and my friends at gothic wars will most certainly have our chapters in this and hopefully well be the first so we can get high ranks.

**Grundz**

All they need this to be is a rebalanced, third person planetside 2 with melee kickassery, dreadnaughts and titans

**JWhex**

That latest posted blurb about the game does not make the game seem all that intriguing but it is many months to launch, if it actually is completed.

**Sigvatr**

Grundz wrote:
All they need this to be is a rebalanced, third person planetside 2 with melee kickassery, dreadnaughts and titans

...and Necrons!

**unmercifulconker**

Grundz wrote:
All they need this to be is a rebalanced, third person planetside 2 with melee kickassery, dreadnaughts and titans

Dont play with my heart now, lawd hab mercy!

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Just to clarify what I wrote was not what is actually going to happen, it is just my take on what it may be like based on the games details.

**Void__Dragon**

BrotherVord wrote:

It's annoying, however, to see so many people demanding that the game be totally free except for cosmetic changes to a toon...do you guys realize how expensive it is to make an mmo? Do you really think it's possible to recoup that cost by having people pay only for little trophies, dyes, and doodads for their toons? I don't.

I realize that Guild Wars has made one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful MMOs there is with the business model of "Pay once, then buy this kewl extra gak if you want".

**BrotherVord**

Void__Dragon wrote:
BrotherVord wrote:

It's annoying, however, to see so many people demanding that the game be totally free except for cosmetic changes to a toon...do you guys realize how expensive it is to make an mmo? Do you really think it's possible to recoup that cost by having people pay only for little trophies, dyes, and doodads for their toons? I don't.

I realize that Guild Wars has made one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful MMOs there is with the business model of "Pay once, then buy this kewl extra gak if you want".

And that's a different price model, since this game will be free to play with no retail cost...

Melissa...using champions online is a terrible template...that game released years ago to a different gaming environment (mmorpg's are one of the fastest changing gaming markets) and was pay to play out of the box, $50.00 retail plus $15 a mon sub fee. It went f2p because it was tanking...and it still isn't all that popular of a game.

**Void__Dragon**

Of course it is a different price model, if it was the same, I wouldn't be saying Eternal Crusade's model sucks, would I?

**d3m01iti0n**

Ohai guise, Im here to bitch and moan about a game I know little to nothing about, that features the most popular factions of 40k,simply because of the previously mentioned fact that I know next to nothing about it. Furthermore I would like to add that I put no thought into the possibility I could be an overpowered Nob or screaming winged eldar man lady if I paid, and will continue dumping money into something equally pointless that I will also complain about.

**Void__Dragon**

I see that my comments have rendered you so furious that you are physically incapable of making anything resembling a valid point or non-flame addled post.

I'm so sorry.

**unmercifulconker**

People please...... this is a happy place.

**nomotog**

Games make the most money by attracting the most players. Players are attracted to games with fair pricing models that don't punish player for being free. It's the you will get m ore flys with honey thing. The more free players you get the better. Even if a free player doesn't pay a dime, they still add value to a game like a mmo. Times that by 10 if it's a game focused all around PvP.