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I don't particularly care. Let's get back on topic.

It seems your definition of on topic is asking for SoB constantly and arguing

 The Dark Apostle wrote:
It seems your definition of on topic is asking for SoB constantly and arguing

Her concerns are legitimate. How would you feel if Chaos or SM's weren't implemented in the game at all? Instead only the SoB, Necrons, Tau, and Eldar? I'm sure that many people would be upset and others would be annoyed for the sole fact that although their army is included, those who "whine" that theirs aren't feel as though they've been shafted. It's constructive in the way that the devs need to address the fact that it may not be possible to invite everyone to the grand opening.

I'm not even complaining about a specific faction being excluded. If Tau and/or IG were included somehow, I'd have far less to complain about-- my complaints are that as someone who prefers to play female characters, I'm relegated to only playing a single faction.

Similarly, I am also complaining that they're actively hating on people who try playing for free, which will not encourage any of the free players to pay, it'll just make them play something else instead. They need to encourage them to pay, rather than effectively delivering a middle finger to them.

As player you are not limited, it's your opinion that you feel quite strong about. And I don't see a reason SoB should be added yet, maybe even in the first group of DLCs, there are more important and bigger factions. Just have them as skins for space marines

 The Dark Apostle wrote:
As player you are not limited

Yes, I am.

 The Dark Apostle wrote:
As player you are not limited

How aren't you limited? Having no Necrons at release means that I cannot play them and therefore, my choice is limited to the races you get at start.

The game will have two identical factions of only men, one faction of only drunk and ornery fungus men, and then elves who can be either men or women. My choices are limited to either roleplaying as if I am a dude for hundreds of hours, or playing space elves.

This is not a desirable outcome for me.

Technically, neither Orks nor Eldar are men / women. Hah!

 DemetriDominov wrote:
*snip* Instead only the SoB, Necrons, Tau, and Eldar? *snip*

Substitute Tau with IG and I wouldn't mind. Female Kasrkin for me please. Nothing better than a violet eyed lady roasting heretics with her hellgun.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Technically, neither Orks nor Eldar are men / women. Hah!

Technically, Eldar do have males and females.

And Orks? Let's not delude ourselves. They are, according to the human psyche, male.

 Melissia wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Technically, neither Orks nor Eldar are men / women. Hah!

Technically, Eldar do have males and females.

Correct, but they don't have men and women as those refer to mankind's males and females

Sorry to be nitpicky, just sleepy. Lady's out of town and I hang around on ze interwebz.

 Melissia wrote:

 The Dark Apostle wrote:
Mellisia, if you are neither excited or in anyway interested in this game ten why do you post here?

Because I WANT to be excited and interested in this game.

An example of your (Melissa) trolling is saying things like the developers have "hatred and contempt" for F2P players. This neither a rational, accurate nor fair characterization of what any of them have said. Many of your posts have cheap shots in them, even your posts that have something substantive often have some throw away insult in them.

While this game may or may not turn out to be something I eventually embrace I think the initial race/faction choice is completely sensible. Even though I am skeptical about the whole players as leaders and driving the whole system, I definitely applaud the developers for trying something new like this, they seem to really think they are on to something so I plan to at least give them the benefit of a doubt with a wait and see attitude.

I would still like to have the question answered about what happens when your faction is defeated but the campaign is still going on with other factions. Perhaps this is still up in the air?

I think the number of people that choose the Eldar will have a real impact on how fast and how deep the developers go into the background for additional factions. Indeed I still believe that one of the big hurdles the developers will have to overcome is getting people to play something other than marines. Of course there is not a lot you can do as a developer when the marines are already so popular. If people wont play Eldar, what is the probability they will play the Space Marines -1, err I mean Sisters of Battle.

For this game to do well it must draw in people who are not part of the 40K tabletop hobby. A large portion of this contingent is going to go for the marines and/or whatever faction is perceived as strongest in the game.

@Miguel
Here is an example of something I want: Alliances that are plausible within the framework of the background.

Chaos Marines allied with Space Marines is an IMMERSION KILLER for me.

Please note that the current ally matrix in the 6th edition book is not a good guide for what is plausible.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Technically, neither Orks nor Eldar are men / women. Hah!

Technically, Eldar do have males and females.

Correct, but they don't have men and women as those refer to mankind's males and females

That really depends on how you define the terms-- not all definitions of "women" include the specific descriptor "human", after all, allowing it to be applied to sentient aliens of the female persuasion-- such as Eldar.

Mind you, I'm biased, I always liked playing as the Farseer in DoW2's last stand. Because spears are awesome, and what's better than a normal spear? A spear that is powered by pure willpower which can cut an opponent's soul in two in a single blow

Hopefully the devs will include a wide variety of variant guns and close combat weapons for that exact reason-- everyone has that one wepaon that they think is just awesome.

Melissia, it really doesn't matter what you want to roleplay as. This isn't a roleplaying game. You trying to make it something it's not doesn't have much of a bearing on things.

Miguel, if you're still around, I've got a few questions about platforms. Is there any updated word about console releases, and if that is planned, would there be a beta for consoles as well as PC? Also, are you planning on releasing for Mac?

I will agree that I am a little disappointed there will be no female characters at launch, if indeed this is the case. For a child raised on Ripley; that is my archetype of a hero.

That being said, I would not consider Orks to be male, either - the whole concept of sexuality is as alien to us as they are to them.

What's this thing about giving the finger to F2P players? I confess, I have not read the last 36 or so pages.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
This isn't a roleplaying game.

It is a game where you spend hundreds of hours on a single character trying to level them up, gain in reputation and move up the social ladder, earn better equipment and snazzier armor, and so on and so forth.

Given the many people in this thread that want the game to be immersive, it's hard to argue that roleplaying is not going to be a big part of many peoples' enjoyment of it.

Let's make sure the discussion remains on the topic of the game, please, and not the other posters in the thread.

 Melissia wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
This isn't a roleplaying game.

It is a game where you spend hundreds of hours on a single character trying to level them up, gain in reputation and move up the social ladder, earn better equipment and snazzier armor, and so on and so forth.

Given the many people in this thread that want the game to be immersive, it's hard to argue that roleplaying is not going to be a big part of many peoples' enjoyment of it.

Maybe, but for most it's not the typical DnD-archetype of roleplaying. It's a bit more concrete form of playing a part in this huge army to achieve a goal, which is what's actually going on. It's more about taking the part of a soldier, or a sergeant, or a captain, than it is of becoming one with the actual character.

So that's cool if that's what you want to do, there's nothing stopping you from playing the game how you want. But that's obviously not what they have in mind. And before you say "there is something stopping me from playing it how I want, no Sisters!", that's not what I'm talking about, I'm just talking about the style. If it is the lack of Sisters or whatever, cool, more power to you, but don't put that on the developers. They've got their plate full as it is.

 Ouze wrote:
I will agree that I am a little disappointed there will be no female characters at launch

Female characters at launch have been confirmed since Day 1.

Yes, just eldar.


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 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Maybe, but for most it's not the typical DnD-archetype of roleplaying.

I don't make a distinction. Roleplaying is roleplaying. I've roleplayed as a female soldier plenty of times. Why shouldn't I desire to be able to do so here?

I have not asked for Sisters, specifically and said I would not be happy unless they were in. Rather, I just ask for more factions that allow for female characters, to allow me to have more choice and not just be "the elf". Could be IG, could be Tau, hell, if they have different voice acting for male and female (and for them, that's ALL that would differ), could even be Necrons. Or it could be Sisters of Battle. Or all of the above.

Would female (chaos) space marines solve that problem or is that too much of a retcon / deviation from the current background?

 Minx wrote:
Would female (chaos) space marines solve that problem or is that too much of a retcon / deviation from the current background?

We've already had people spaz out over the idea in this thread. Probably would cause too many aneurysms and too much nerdrage if it was implemented.

I don't like Chaos Astartes in general, but even still, having the option to play as a female CSM would be better than not having it-- but I'm probably alone in holding that opinion in this thread.

 Melissia wrote:

 Minx wrote:
Would female (chaos) space marines solve that problem or is that too much of a retcon / deviation from the current background?

We've already had people spaz out over the idea in this thread. Probably would cause too many aneurysms and too much nerdrage if it was implemented.

They could pretend those are just Sisters of Battle while the Devs only implement different models without any special different rules.
Having no female characters for most factions will be hard to sell to the non-initiated.

 Minx wrote:
Having no female characters for most factions will be hard to sell to the non-initiated.

Yeah, they're setting themselves up for some bad mojo.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I will agree that I am a little disappointed there will be no female characters at launch

Female characters at launch have been confirmed since Day 1.

I should have been more specific, I meant female IG or other imperial. But that's cool too. I don't know nearly anything about Eldar so that actually would sort of give me a reason to play them.

 Melissia wrote:

 Minx wrote:
Would female (chaos) space marines solve that problem or is that too much of a retcon / deviation from the current background?

We've already had people spaz out over the idea in this thread. Probably would cause too many aneurysms and too much nerdrage if it was implemented.

I don't like Chaos Astartes in general, but even still, having the option to play as a female CSM would be better than not having it-- but I'm probably alone in holding that opinion in this thread.

No, you're not. WAR had male Dark Elf sorcerer, so why not female Marines in Eternal Crusade? A little bit of lore bending should be allowed. I would like to se Emperors Championess Siglinde giving the Emperors Peace to the poor aneurysm stricken fellows.

That's a fair point to be sure, regarding WAR. The things that pissed me off about WAR had nothing to do with lore bending (it was the other shenanigans...).

 Weltenwolf wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Minx wrote:
Would female (chaos) space marines solve that problem or is that too much of a retcon / deviation from the current background?

We've already had people spaz out over the idea in this thread. Probably would cause too many aneurysms and too much nerdrage if it was implemented.

I don't like Chaos Astartes in general, but even still, having the option to play as a female CSM would be better than not having it-- but I'm probably alone in holding that opinion in this thread.

No, you're not. WAR had male Dark Elf sorcerer, so why not female Marines in Eternal Crusade? A little bit of lore bending should be allowed. I would like to se Emperors Championess Siglinde giving the Emperors Peace to the poor aneurysm stricken fellows.

There's a precedence for a Dark Elf Sorcerer. His name is Malekith. There is no precedence for a female Marine.

I'm pretty sure that there's going to be an even larger uproar if you made female Marines compared to the Dark Elf Sorcerer.