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 Melissia wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Arbites would be pretty cool but it would be an after thought...
I'd prefer they had all the factions get good starting classes etc before they added something like arbites...

Arbites aren't an army per se anyway, they're basically like super-FBI or something.

Yeah that was my thinking but if they added them I wouldn't be annoyed. There are times when Arbites have fought in battles...
They're better equipped than most guardsmen actually...

Technically, a child playing with nerf guns and cardboard armor is better equipped in the eyes of many internet denizens

I know people like to joke but Guardsmen are usually well equipped and for the most part well trained.

I always considered Guardsman to be the average aka normal humans in armor. The problem stems from MEQ being all over the place aka super soldierz.

/e:...and, of course, badass killer robots.

Pretty much yeah...
Guardsmen are regular people who more often than not fight rebels which are usually just regular humans. The problem comes when they end up fighting 'nids, orks, traitor marines etc
It'd be interesting if they gave you a squad of guardsmen instead of just one character. You could customise it like you would customise a single character but instead you could have a couple of special weapons and some regular to add firepower.

 purplefood wrote:
Pretty much yeah...
Guardsmen are regular people who more often than not fight rebels which are usually just regular humans. The problem comes when they end up fighting 'nids, orks, traitor marines etc
It'd be interesting if they gave you a squad of guardsmen instead of just one character. You could customise it like you would customise a single character but instead you could have a couple of special weapons and some regular to add firepower.

Most people mention playing as these "squads" of Guardsmen instead of a single one. The Ai of the IG under your squad is likely to be so piss poor that accomplishing basic things will be a feat in itself and do little but to drive people away from the faction entirely.

 purplefood wrote:

It'd be interesting if they gave you a squad of guardsmen instead of just one character. You could customise it like you would customise a single character but instead you could have a couple of special weapons and some regular to add firepower.

Pretty sure that's not going to happen

AWesker1976 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Pretty much yeah...
Guardsmen are regular people who more often than not fight rebels which are usually just regular humans. The problem comes when they end up fighting 'nids, orks, traitor marines etc
It'd be interesting if they gave you a squad of guardsmen instead of just one character. You could customise it like you would customise a single character but instead you could have a couple of special weapons and some regular to add firepower.

Most people mention playing as these "squads" of Guardsmen instead of a single one. The Ai of the IG under your squad is likely to be so piss poor that accomplishing basic things will be a feat in itself and do little but to drive people away from the faction entirely.

If they make it so they form up around your central character (The sergeant lets say) then they could simply hold that formation whenever you move and then they could just fire at what you fire at...
Think of it less like 1 player and 4 AI and more like 1 player and 4 puppets. They do the exact same actions as the player barring a few path finding traits so they don't walk off of edges and such...
There could be some cool features of this...
Each guardsman represents a specific part of your health. If you have a squad of 5 for example each one represents 20% of your overall health. When you get to 80% one of them dies and your firepower gets cut down by 1/5th

Dear fans, This whole discussion about females made me think of asking you a personal question that has been nagging me for a long time and where I did not find any info in any of the Codex:

I know Orcs are kind of mushroom and reproduce by spores but........ What is their life cycles? do they grow like worns underground? Does ANY of them produce live spores (like any limb you hack can regrow?!?! but if its the case... how does it eat to actually grow?)

Its has nothing to do with the game (yet!! :-) ) but I am just curious.

Same for other races, the dev are 50-50 spit in the opinion that spacemarine have no reproductive organes.

Is this kept in the dark (no pun intended) on purpose?

Miguel
Your Studio Head

p.s. Trust a french canadian to ask a sex question LOL

An ork constantly spawns spores throughout it's lifecycle. You know how the human body constantly sheds bits of dead skin? Well, orks do the same, except their's are airborne, and tend to grow into new orks if they land on something they can grow on.

Killing an ork will also create spores, but they will release a much larger amount than usual. The only way to prevent this is to KILL IT WITH FIRE (sorry, had to do that).

A spore has a chance to grow into the following: Ork, Snotling, Gretchin or squig. Not sure how it's determined, but I think it depends on the environment and resources available. A spore starts off like a simple fungus, but later on a greenskin (collective term for the Ork genus. See above for example) will start to grow underground in a uterus like cocoon. You can find drawings of it in the 3rd edition Ork codex, iirc.

I'm not sure what happens if you eat Ork flesh. I would imagine it tastes horrible though.

Orks can not regenerate per se, but they can reattach their limbs and organs with a bit of crude surgery. They also constantly shed and grow teeth throughout their life cycle, which they use as currency.

miguelcaron wrote:
Dear fans, This whole discussion about females made me think of asking you a personal question that has been nagging me for a long time and where I did not find any info in any of the Codex:

I know Orcs are kind of mushroom and reproduce by spores but........ What is their life cycles? do they grow like worns underground? Does ANY of them produce live spores (like any limb you hack can regrow?!?! but if its the case... how does it eat to actually grow?)

Its has nothing to do with the game (yet!! :-) ) but I am just curious.

Same for other races, the dev are 50-50 spit in the opinion that spacemarine have no reproductive organes.

Is this kept in the dark (no pun intended) on purpose?

Miguel
Your Studio Head

p.s. Trust a french canadian to ask a sex question LOL

According to the Ork Codex: An Ork's demise triggers a mass release of spores that can develop into dozens of cocoons. These Cocoons can hatch gretchin, grots or fungi depending on conditions. a good number will develop into Orks after a short gestation. These spores are dispersed far and wide by winds, which makes the eradication of the greenskin presences impossible to effect short of Exterminatus.

Necrons have a male - female ratio of 0:0.

Neither Orks or Necrons have a gender.

We don't know if Necrons had a gender. Their bodies may not have a gender any more, but psychologically, especially in the upper echelons of their rule, their minds may still hold on to some of their own unique gender constructs.

Orks technically don't have a gender, but we'd be deluding ourselves to think of them as anything but masculine when viewed from the human psyche.

miguelcaron wrote:
I know Orcs are kind of mushroom and reproduce by spores but........ What is their life cycles? do they grow like worns underground? Does ANY of them produce live spores (like any limb you hack can regrow?!?! but if its the case... how does it eat to actually grow?)

Every Ork contains the DNA of every other orkoid species.

Based off of the Ork codex and other bits and pieces of lore I've read, this is how the Orkoid life cycle goes, based off of having a single Ork spore land on a planet's surface:

• Orkoid fungus grows. This releases more spores as it lives and dies, producing more fungus.
• As fungus population gets to a certain density, squigs begin to form from some of the spores instead of fungus. They also release more spores as they live and die.
• As the fungus/squig population gets to a certain density, Snotlings begin to form from some of the spores. They tend the fungus and squigs, effectively being almost childlike farmers/ranchers for the Orks and ensuring that the upcoming Orkoid races have a steady food supply. Also, they release more spores as they live and die.
• As the Snotling/Squig/fungus population gets to a certain density, Grots begin to form from some of the spores. Grots are the builders of the Ork society, creating structures and infrastructure, as well as guns and the like, and watching over the (mentally, rather childlike) Snotlings. They also release more spores as they live and die.
• As the Orkoid population reaches a certain density, Orks begin to form from some of the spores. These Orks are the leaders, the warriors, and the soldiers of the Orkoid society, and they exist only for war. They live, breathe, and to some extent, gain sustenance from war-- becoming bigger and stronger after every fight, every race, every violent brawl (and they have them constantly). The very idea of peace is alien to the Ork psychology. Orks release spores all throughout their life, but upon death, they release a massive amount of spores, ensuring that the Ork population is almost impossible to truly wipe out.
• Certain unique Orks, when the population grows past a certain size, instinctively "know" the basic fundamentals of certain crafts-- such as a Mekboy understanding the basics of engineering, and Painboyz understanding rudimentary medical science, and Weirdboyz being able to manipulate the WAAAGH! energies. There's other, more minor crafts as well mind you, like Brewboyz and the like. Most however, are just "boyz". This probably also is the reason why some Orks become Kommandoz, Stormboyz, Tankbustaz, and the like, as well.
• Eventually, when an Ork gets strong enough, experienced enough, and just plain out vicious enough, the Ork becomes a Nob (or equivalent-- such as a Big Mek or Mad Dok, or certain very experienced Weirdboyz). Nob is more of a social status than anything-- the biggest, meanest ,and nastiest Ork around is the Nob. And the biggest, meanest, and nastiest Nob around is the Warboss. Usually the warboss is also the most experienced and intelligent, as well-- Orks become "bigger" the more they fight, and so the one who has fought the most and been victorious the most will naturally rise to the top.
• As the Orkoid population grows even more in size and density, Orks become inspired to do greater things-- such as Stompas, their version of Titans, and eventually space travel and the massive migration/holy war/pub crawl that is the WAAAGH! invasions that we know and love, like Armageddon.


Many of this is also because Orks have a unique psychic presence-- the "WAAAGH!", the gestalt psychic field that all Orkoid species generate (and which is also one of the suggested reasons why Orks are so innately resistant to Chaos) binds the Orks and lets them recognize another Ork and tell when an Ork is not Orky enough, or when an Ork is "bigger" and thus should be the leader (violence also helps). Weirdboyz feed off of this WAAAGH! energy for their psychic powers, and as a result, they are more powerful the larger number of boyz around them. Orks become more confident, more fearless, and (in the case of the leaders) arguably more cunning and intelligent as the Orkoid population becomes larger and more dense.

Orks are the perfect biological weapon. Brilliantly designed and incredibly well engineered.

Yep. That's why Orks dominate the galaxy and every other race fights over hte remaining scraps.

I always assumed the Orks were resistant to Chaos because Chaos could offer nothing to the Ork that he doesn't already have access to.

Carnal desires of the flesh don't interest an Ork like it would a human/eldar/spess murheen.

Orks have the perfect society as well as being a perfect organism. Poverty is unheard of in Ork "kultur". Due to their genetic ability to specialize in certain crafts there is no Ork unemployment. There are no double talking lawyers in the Ork world so they don't have libraries full of confusing, convoluted laws so keeping order is as simple as smashing a boy over the head and telling him "quit dat".

AWesker1976 wrote:
I always assumed the Orks were resistant to Chaos because Chaos could offer nothing to the Ork that he doesn't already have access to.

That's also true.

I did mean to say that it was only one of the potential reasons. There's likely a large number of reasons why Orks don't turn to Chaos and aren't as effected by the raw energies of the Warp.

 Melissia wrote:
We don't know if Necrons had a gender. Their bodies may not have a gender any more, but psychologically, especially in the upper echelons of their rule, their minds may still hold on to some of their own unique gender constructs.

Necrons never had and will never have a gender. They are soul- and mindless robots. The Necrontyr might have had a gender but that's a LONG time ago. Like, really long.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
We don't know if Necrons had a gender. Their bodies may not have a gender any more, but psychologically, especially in the upper echelons of their rule, their minds may still hold on to some of their own unique gender constructs.

Necrons never had and will never have a gender. They are soul- and mindless robots. The Necrontyr might have had a gender but that's a LONG time ago. Like, really long.

I believe there is some confusion here related to the distinction between sex ( anatomy ) and gender ( cultural/social lifestyle )

There's probably neither for the majority of Necrons...
They had both a sex and a gender but currently...
Well currently they have neither... most of them anyway.

AWesker1976 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
We don't know if Necrons had a gender. Their bodies may not have a gender any more, but psychologically, especially in the upper echelons of their rule, their minds may still hold on to some of their own unique gender constructs.

Necrons never had and will never have a gender. They are soul- and mindless robots. The Necrontyr might have had a gender but that's a LONG time ago. Like, really long.

I believe there is some confusion here related to the distinction between sex ( anatomy ) and gender ( cultural/social lifestyle )

Nope

As far as Space Marine lore is concerned, the Astartes are eunuchs. Once men, their manhood has been removed and utterly consumed by his new purpose as defenders of humanity. Whether the Astartes physically still has a penis is (to my knowledge at least) never actually explained, but is maddeningly perplexing because of two reasons:

The first, is that a SM takes massive doses of hormones, one of which suppresses sexual desire. Sexual desire is primarily caused by testosterone and its byproducts created largely by sex organs and in small amounts in the adrenal glads. This really could mean that an Astarte may or may not have a penis because SM's have huge.... adrenal glands... that may produce enough testosterone on their own to need hormone therapy.

The second: is the implantation of the Gene Seed that is required exclusively to create more Adeptus Astartes. Meaning that if a SM already has the means to create more of his brethren, is exclusive property to his chapter and Emperor, then what purpose does his steroid shrunk balls serve other than to bounce annoyingly between his sweaty thighs?

Hmm.. drink that image in Frenchman... sweaty... hairy.... thighs...

 DemetriDominov wrote:
As far as Space Marine lore is concerned, the Astartes are eunuchs. Once men, their manhood has been removed and utterly consumed by his new purpose as defenders of humanity. Whether the Astartes physically still has a penis is (to my knowledge at least) never actually explained, but is maddeningly perplexing because of two reasons:

The first, is that a SM takes massive doses of hormones, one of which suppresses sexual desire. Sexual desire is primarily caused by testosterone and its byproducts created largely by sex organs and in small amounts in the adrenal glads. This really could mean that an Astarte may or may not have a penis because SM's have huge.... adrenal glands... that may produce enough testosterone on their own to need hormone therapy.

The second: is the implantation of the Gene Seed that is required exclusively to create more Adeptus Astartes. Meaning that if a SM already has the means to create more of his brethren, is exclusive property to his chapter and Emperor, then what purpose does his steroid shrunk balls serve other than to bounce annoyingly between his sweaty thighs?

Hmm.. drink that image in Frenchman... sweaty... hairy.... thighs...

And yet, they will have male voice actors and they will have male grunts, heavy breathing, shouts, screams, and they will have a male voice when speaking.

So to me, as a player ,they will have the exact same effect as playing a male character. Not all of us are so inattentive as to not notice such immersion-breaking things like that.

Technically, Asari weren't female because they didn't have genders (even less than Astartes)-- reproducing through an entirely different method. Yet they are still regarded as female by anyone who looks at them or listens to them talk.

 Sigvatr wrote:

AWesker1976 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
We don't know if Necrons had a gender. Their bodies may not have a gender any more, but psychologically, especially in the upper echelons of their rule, their minds may still hold on to some of their own unique gender constructs.

Necrons never had and will never have a gender. They are soul- and mindless robots. The Necrontyr might have had a gender but that's a LONG time ago. Like, really long.

I believe there is some confusion here related to the distinction between sex ( anatomy ) and gender ( cultural/social lifestyle )

Nope

Yeah Necrons for all intents and purposes are zombies...
Some of the higher up ones still have a personality and thus gender but most of them have nothing.

 DemetriDominov wrote:
As far as Space Marine lore is concerned, the Astartes are eunuchs. Once men, their manhood has been removed and utterly consumed by his new purpose as defenders of humanity. Whether the Astartes physically still has a penis is (to my knowledge at least) never actually explained, but is maddeningly perplexing because of two reasons:

The first, is that a SM takes massive doses of hormones, one of which suppresses sexual desire. Sexual desire is primarily caused by testosterone and its byproducts created largely by sex organs and in small amounts in the adrenal glads. This really could mean that an Astarte may or may not have a penis because SM's have huge.... adrenal glands... that may produce enough testosterone on their own to need hormone therapy.

The second: is the implantation of the Gene Seed that is required exclusively to create more Adeptus Astartes. Meaning that if a SM already has the means to create more of his brethren, is exclusive property to his chapter and Emperor, then what purpose does his steroid shrunk balls serve other than to bounce annoyingly between his sweaty thighs?

Hmm.. drink that image in Frenchman... sweaty... hairy.... thighs...

Maybe the lack of a sex drive is due to the harsh psychological indoctrination that is forced upon all marine recruits, then coupled with the watchful eyes of Chaplains to steer marines away from "pleasures of the flesh" to ensure the recruits don't follow their lusts into heresy.

 Melissia wrote:


Technically, Asari weren't female because they didn't have genders (even less than Astartes)-- reproducing through an entirely different method. Yet they are still regarded as female by anyone who looks at them or listens to them talk.

They got giant boobs. Giant boobs that grow even BIGGER as they grow up. Stay classy, Bioware. What's the reasoning for them having boobs anyway btw? Are Asari acting similar to men, i.e. are attracted to big jugs?

Melissia wrote:And yet, they will have male voice actors and they will have male grunts, heavy breathing, shouts, screams, and they will have a male voice when speaking.

So to me, as a player ,they will have the exact same effect as playing a male character. Not all of us are so inattentive as to not notice such immersion-breaking things like that.

Technically, Asari weren't female because they didn't have genders (even less than Astartes)-- reproducing through an entirely different method. Yet they are still regarded as female by anyone who looks at them or listens to them talk.

That's because male Eunichs are still male. It's just that they no longer have balls and a means to reproduce heirs of their own.

AWesker1976 wrote:
Maybe the lack of a sex drive is due to the harsh psychological indoctrination that is forced upon all marine recruits, then coupled with the watchful eyes of Chaplains to steer marines away from "pleasures of the flesh" to ensure the recruits don't follow their lusts into heresy.

I believe that's in addition to their "harsh training" and hormone therapy. We all know that unless you're combating a hormone driven condition (like depression, sexual desire, ect.) you are likely to relapse or commit some sort of heresy. In the case of heavily indoctrinated individuals, it usually takes the form of acting out. One cannot deny themselves humanity without removing it entirely. Faith alone cannot do that, but it definitely acts a great catalyst once the deed of destroying your previous manhood has been done.

 Sigvatr wrote:
They got giant boobs. Giant boobs that grow even BIGGER as they grow up. Stay classy, Bioware. What's the reasoning for them having boobs anyway btw? Are Asari acting similar to men, i.e. are attracted to big jugs?

Yeaaah, Bioware's handling of Asari was questionable in a hundred different ways and I am not going to drag this topic off topic again by getting in to THAT conversation.

 Melissia wrote:

Technically, Asari weren't female because they didn't have genders (even less than Astartes)-- reproducing through an entirely different method. Yet they are still regarded as female by anyone who looks at them or listens to them talk.

True, but they are assigned the female gender in our eyes because that's how we perceive them