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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 21:36:49
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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So who can be equipped with two pistols?does it have to be two different pistols? Also any need for a close combat weapon if a pistol can count as one?
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"We have all and none. Death better come to the other bastard first." - SSG Alton, 19th Valerian Light Infantry Regiment
"With iron and fire the beast shall be lain low at the hands of the Hunters whose home is under the Bloodmoon." - Bloodmoon Hunters Chapter
"Bring on the Angels of Blood and Darkness as thy descend from the heavens to smite our enemies. Let the Wolves of war rend and tear our foes to pieces. And we of the Bloodmoon Hunters shall bring the iron and fire as our vehicles crush all that oppose us under our treads." - Tech-Captain of the Bloodmoon Hunters
My 40k Armies:
Bloodmoon Hunters (Iron Hands Successors)
Lunar Venatorii Regiments (Astra Miltarium)
Mjior Prime Expediton (Skitarii/Admech)
Ordo Machinum (Inquisition) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 21:38:03
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I'm pretty sure only the sargent gets a pistol and close combat weapon. The actual penal legionaires just have lasguns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 21:55:13
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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It will be part of a model's options if they can take multiple pistols, they need not be the same type and since they both count as a CCW, you would get +1 attack in combat with them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:01:16
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Heroic Senior Officer
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IG has a lot of ways to get it, since we get the whole "you may replace your pistol/ccw with..." deal.
For example, I could have a sarge with laspistol/bolt pistol, x2 bolt pistol, bolt pistol/plasma pistol, or x2 plasma pistol.
You unfortunately can't do x2 laspistol, which would be awesome and actually useful...
No idea what other codexes get in regards to gunslinger though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:05:10
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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So in theory a space marine sgt or commander could do a bolt pistol and plasma pistol then use the rule?
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"We have all and none. Death better come to the other bastard first." - SSG Alton, 19th Valerian Light Infantry Regiment
"With iron and fire the beast shall be lain low at the hands of the Hunters whose home is under the Bloodmoon." - Bloodmoon Hunters Chapter
"Bring on the Angels of Blood and Darkness as thy descend from the heavens to smite our enemies. Let the Wolves of war rend and tear our foes to pieces. And we of the Bloodmoon Hunters shall bring the iron and fire as our vehicles crush all that oppose us under our treads." - Tech-Captain of the Bloodmoon Hunters
My 40k Armies:
Bloodmoon Hunters (Iron Hands Successors)
Lunar Venatorii Regiments (Astra Miltarium)
Mjior Prime Expediton (Skitarii/Admech)
Ordo Machinum (Inquisition) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:08:46
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Disguised Speculo
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So what is this rule anyway? I've only ever heard of it as the Gunslinger rule for Penal Legion. I checked the USR and didn't find anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:13:19
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Huge Hierodule
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Dakkamite wrote:So what is this rule anyway? I've only ever heard of it as the Gunslinger rule for Penal Legion. I checked the USR and didn't find anything.
Look in the BRB ranged weapons section under "pistols"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:16:17
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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In the basic rule book it says if you have two pistols you can fire both of them instead of the normal one weapon at a time.
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"We have all and none. Death better come to the other bastard first." - SSG Alton, 19th Valerian Light Infantry Regiment
"With iron and fire the beast shall be lain low at the hands of the Hunters whose home is under the Bloodmoon." - Bloodmoon Hunters Chapter
"Bring on the Angels of Blood and Darkness as thy descend from the heavens to smite our enemies. Let the Wolves of war rend and tear our foes to pieces. And we of the Bloodmoon Hunters shall bring the iron and fire as our vehicles crush all that oppose us under our treads." - Tech-Captain of the Bloodmoon Hunters
My 40k Armies:
Bloodmoon Hunters (Iron Hands Successors)
Lunar Venatorii Regiments (Astra Miltarium)
Mjior Prime Expediton (Skitarii/Admech)
Ordo Machinum (Inquisition) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/12 22:33:46
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Sister Vastly Superior
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Sisters of Battle get this with their Seraphim and it can make your opponent cry/rage when they find out your dual wielding Hand flamer girls double their shots rather than twin-link them.
Then they find out you can get rerolls to wound aswell and all hell breaks loose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 01:00:33
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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There's not a lot of units that can do this, as you have to actually be able to take 2 pistols first
DE archons with 2 blast pistols are fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 01:33:39
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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A lot of squad leaders can. Anyone in the Sisters army that has 'superior' in the name csn typically bring a pistol and a plasma pistol. A lot of Dark Angel Veterans. Space Wolves Wolf Packs. Stuff like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 01:34:42
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Seems kinda goofy for IG anyway...why take 2 Plasma Pistols for 20 pts when I can take a Plasma Gun for 15?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 01:38:24
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Executing Exarch
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So you can model a DKoK storm trooper with 2 plasma pistols of course!
Seriously though you do it when you don't have the points to cover the additional carrier cost that is veterans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 01:48:18
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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NuggzTheNinja wrote:Seems kinda goofy for IG anyway...why take 2 Plasma Pistols for 20 pts when I can take a Plasma Gun for 15?
The point is that you can take both, which is a lot of plasma. I like to take a CCS with four plasma guns and a double pistol commander. That gives ten plasma shots at lose range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 02:08:43
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Flashy Flashgitz
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I have a C:SM sergeant modeled with two plasma pistols. I modeled him that way for lucky precision plasma shots before an assault. And because it looks badass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 21:09:13
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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So what stops having two of the basic pistol of an army? (i can't find any exact rules on it.)
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"We have all and none. Death better come to the other bastard first." - SSG Alton, 19th Valerian Light Infantry Regiment
"With iron and fire the beast shall be lain low at the hands of the Hunters whose home is under the Bloodmoon." - Bloodmoon Hunters Chapter
"Bring on the Angels of Blood and Darkness as thy descend from the heavens to smite our enemies. Let the Wolves of war rend and tear our foes to pieces. And we of the Bloodmoon Hunters shall bring the iron and fire as our vehicles crush all that oppose us under our treads." - Tech-Captain of the Bloodmoon Hunters
My 40k Armies:
Bloodmoon Hunters (Iron Hands Successors)
Lunar Venatorii Regiments (Astra Miltarium)
Mjior Prime Expediton (Skitarii/Admech)
Ordo Machinum (Inquisition) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 21:13:04
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Douglas Bader
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Drakka77 wrote:So what stops having two of the basic pistol of an army? (i can't find any exact rules on it.)
Nothing. It just happens to be the case that most (all?) units that can take pistol upgrades start with a single basic pistol and can not take more basic pistols. So an IG sergeant starts with a laspistol, and has upgrade options of bolt pistol and plasma pistol. If the next edition of the codex added a laspistol to that list there would be nothing preventing you from having dual laspistols.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 21:29:25
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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The orks only have the one but i have been reading the codex. Nothing in it says one way or the other about duel wielding. There is no pistol upgrade but all basic ork boys come with a slugga and a choppa. I was wondering if there is any reason rule wise that i cant have them having two sluggas instead of having choppas at all. (CCW seem pointless to me combat wise since a pistol is a CCW on top of being a shooting/assualt weapon.)
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"We have all and none. Death better come to the other bastard first." - SSG Alton, 19th Valerian Light Infantry Regiment
"With iron and fire the beast shall be lain low at the hands of the Hunters whose home is under the Bloodmoon." - Bloodmoon Hunters Chapter
"Bring on the Angels of Blood and Darkness as thy descend from the heavens to smite our enemies. Let the Wolves of war rend and tear our foes to pieces. And we of the Bloodmoon Hunters shall bring the iron and fire as our vehicles crush all that oppose us under our treads." - Tech-Captain of the Bloodmoon Hunters
My 40k Armies:
Bloodmoon Hunters (Iron Hands Successors)
Lunar Venatorii Regiments (Astra Miltarium)
Mjior Prime Expediton (Skitarii/Admech)
Ordo Machinum (Inquisition) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 21:32:28
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Sinewy Scourge
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Because the codex doesn't say you can.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 21:33:17
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Drakka77 wrote:The orks only have the one but i have been reading the codex. Nothing in it says one way or the other about duel wielding. There is no pistol upgrade but all basic ork boys come with a slugga and a choppa. I was wondering if there is any reason rule wise that i cant have them having two sluggas instead of having choppas at all. ( CCW seem pointless to me combat wise since a pistol is a CCW on top of being a shooting/assualt weapon.)
More of a balancing issue. Sluggas in a pair are simply better than Choppas and Sluggas because it's a free extra shot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/13 23:12:07
Subject: Re:Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Drakka77 wrote:The orks only have the one but i have been reading the codex. Nothing in it says one way or the other about duel wielding. There is no pistol upgrade but all basic ork boys come with a slugga and a choppa. I was wondering if there is any reason rule wise that i cant have them having two sluggas instead of having choppas at all. (CCW seem pointless to me combat wise since a pistol is a CCW on top of being a shooting/assualt weapon.)
Because the codex specifically states "They come with a choppa and slugga" not "they may come with 2 sluggas or a slugga and a close combat weapon". The unit or model in question has to have an option to take a second pistol for it to work. It's kind of clumsily implemented. I would love it if my IG sarges could duel wield laspistols, and it would be neat to see ork boyz dual wielding sluggas (however, you'd never see regular slugga boyz anymore, since why would you bother with a choppa if the slugga gives you an extra CC attack as well?)
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Seems kinda goofy for IG anyway...why take 2 Plasma Pistols for 20 pts when I can take a Plasma Gun for 15?
You pay an extra 5pts for how incredibly cool your model looks.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/14 06:32:57
Subject: Question on the Gunslinger rule
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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beigeknight wrote:I have a C: SM sergeant modeled with two plasma pistols. I modeled him that way for lucky precision plasma shots before an assault. And because it looks badass.
This, all the way. You do dual pistols because it looks cool, and because most of the models that can do it are Characters. Placing plasma shots can be extremely useful.
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