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Arrrghhhh frustrating, I am 195 points short from the total and just cannot decide what to do with the points. I am also looking for something fluffy to fit the rest of the theme, (Ulthwe) btw.

The list is as follow:

3 Warlocks - 1x jetbike = 120

10 Guardians - shuriken cannon = 105
Wave serpent - TL-scatter laser, Shuriken cannon, Holofields = 145

10 Guardians - shuriken cannon = 105
Wave serpent - TL-scatter laser, Shuriken cannon, Holofields = 145

5 Jetbikes - Shuriken cannon = 95

3 War walkers - x3 EML, x3 Scatter lasers = 270

Fire prism - Holofields, spirit stones, Shuriken cannon = 160
Fire prism - Holofields, spirit stones, Shuriken cannon = 160

So there it is, 195 points left to spend and I have not got a clue what to spend those spare points on.
Could someone please help.

Warlocks don't fill up an HQ slot. And since you want an Ulthwe army, consider getting a farseer on a jetbike with some remnant of glory, like the mantle of the laughing god.

Ok if you're going Ulthwe, you either want a farseer, 2 farseers, or Eldrad.

Why do you have cannons on the prisms? They fire 60 inches. If you're getting close enough to use the cannon, you're doing it wrong.

Why don't your wave serpents have vector engines? Putting the butt end towards the enemy, disembarking 6 inches from the serpent, spinning the serpent around after shooting, running the guardians d6 towards the enemy and having them unload/take an objective, etc. is a useful trait.

Ever heard of the black guardians of Ulthwe? Why not consider a storm guardian squad with another wave serpent? Gives you access to flamers/meltas if need be. Right now you've definitely got light armor handled, but anything AV 12 or higher you're going to have some problems. Consider what it is you want your guardians to do. Do they camp something? Are they anti-infantry? Should they consider taking a lance instead of a laser? Possibility.

Lastly, another option to consider is taking another jetbike squad with a warlock. If I'm reading this correctly, your group of jetbikes has a single shuriken cannon in it? Why? Eldar have easy access to Str 6 weaponry, why not take it wherever possible, especially now that you're BS4 and with Bladestorm.

deathmagiks wrote:
Ok if you're going Ulthwe, you either want a farseer, 2 farseers, or Eldrad.
I was thinking of a Autarch on bike with mantle as I feel random powers do not really help me

Why do you have cannons on the prisms? They fire 60 inches. If you're getting close enough to use the cannon, you're doing it wrong.
I have found them to be quite useful in the last few games I have played, if the prism cannon gets destroyed they can still put out some decent fire

Why don't your wave serpents have vector engines? Putting the butt end towards the enemy, disembarking 6 inches from the serpent, spinning the serpent around after shooting, running the guardians d6 towards the enemy and having them unload/take an objective, etc. is a useful trait.
I dont think I could justify the extra points spent in a list where points are precious

Ever heard of the black guardians of Ulthwe? Why not consider a storm guardian squad with another wave serpent? Gives you access to flamers/meltas if need be. Right now you've definitely got light armor handled, but anything AV 12 or higher you're going to have some problems. Consider what it is you want your guardians to do. Do they camp something? Are they anti-infantry? Should they consider taking a lance instead of a laser? Possibility.
Yes I have heard of black guardians. Storm guardians just seem a waste as I cannot charge after disembarking, the extra melta/flamer shots would be nice but I dont feel I need them. Av12 can be glanced to death with all my S6 weaponry. The guardians will be primary infantry killers

Lastly, another option to consider is taking another jetbike squad with a warlock. If I'm reading this correctly, your group of jetbikes has a single shuriken cannon in it? Why? Eldar have easy access to Str 6 weaponry, why not take it wherever possible, especially now that you're BS4 and with Bladestorm.
I only have 6 jetbikes in my collection so I cannot add more

If I really need to drop the cannons off the prism I will. I really think the prism main role will be to handle av12+ and 2+ saves, also what would your thoughts be on using an Autarch with Faolchu's wing and fusion blaster, its easier to hide a single model than a jetbike model.

Second a farseer, probably one on a jetbike but I understand if you don't have an extra. The jetseer can cast powers on things outside of your squad in a transport though, which is the main boost. In a transport, a farseer is largely wasted. Also keep in mind you have no room in your transports now that the weapon platform takes up a space, so if not on a jetbike you either need to drop a warlock or weapon platform to fit an HQ in.

All of your psykers should take singing spears if you have the points.

Consider upgrading your guardian weapon platforms to scatter lasers, I find the extra range and shot to be well worth it, even with the new bladestorm rule.

A shuricannon on a prism is okay, but it is a secondary weapon. The cannon is all about shooting from range, and the cannon does increase your dakka should you need to fight off something that gets close, I would still spend the points elsewhere. With the damage rules for tanks, it is pretty rare the cannon will get taken out and the prism still stand.

EML's on walkers are a bit questionable as lances will handle the AT duty for less.

An autarch is an ok hq, but running him solo is just asking for trouble, even with the wing. In a transport first, then using the wing as a secondary is good though. I just don't see the autarch adding much of anything. For the same points and wing, a spiritseer is probably better.

I would rarely, if ever suggest a phoenix lord, but Maugan ra would be a nice fit for your army. He could replace a warlock as the 12th man in a wave serpent, and would boost guardian shooting. Using his split fire, you can shoot him or a heavy weapon at armor while the rest of the squad can pepper infantry. It would give you some spare points to hand out upgrades. He is also somewhat fluffy in an Ulthwe theme list.

Ok. So, with all the advice you guys have given me I have gone with the following list.

I just tweaked the first list slightly and used point accordingly:

Farseer - jetbike, Runes wittnessing, spirit stones anath,lan = 145

2 Warlocks = 70

10 Guardians - shuriken cannon = 105
Wave serpent - TL-scatter laser, Shuriken cannon, Holofields = 145

10 Guardians - shuriken cannon = 105
Wave serpent - TL-scatter laser, Shuriken cannon, Holofields = 145

6 Jetbikes - 2x Shuriken cannon = 122

6 Rangers = 72

3 War walkers - x3 EML, x3 Scatter lasers = 270

Fire prism - Holofields, spirit stones, Shuriken cannon = 160

Fire prism - Holofields, spirit stones, Shuriken cannon = 160

Looks good, although I would probably drop runes of witnessing for spears on the psykers. A single re roll is meh compared to the S9 shooting you get with no downside like in the old codex.

Ok thx Dr Serling, I will try all spears in my next game, I suppose it will help against the landraider my opponent is planning on bringing.

Sorry, bit late to respond. Busy weekend.

Well the reason I was suggesting farseer/eldrad over the Autarch was that you stated you wanted an ulthwe army, something heavily slated towards guardians and psykers. That and you're not trying to manipulate reserve rolls so a major function of the Autarch is lost in taking him.

As for the bikes, that makes sense.

Vectored engines are definitely worth their points, but only if you're using the serpent as a delivery system. If you plan to have the guardians advance down the field/ hold a forward position, having the mobility options the engines give you is definitely something to weigh into your decisions. Something that gives you tactical flexibility is a little harder to see the value in against something like, say, a flat defensive boost from holofields, but it's no less useful if it allows for some outlandish shenanigans.

The storm guardians were more an additional threat to higher armor targets and a redundancy to your prism, or a redundancy to templates should you face horde armies should your prism cannon be destroyed as you were saying. The cannon on the prisms, however, is really not a good return on investment imo simply because you're only planning on using it *if* your prism takes a hard enough hit and *if* that hit renders it's primary shot useless. The spirit stones are not a bad idea given it fires 2/3 blast shots, but ymmv and, as you've said, you've found them useful.