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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/16 15:31:39
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Been Around the Block
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I have 2 questions:
1. Would you take 3 Heavy Destroyers or 1 Triarch Stalker?
My lists is: 2 squads of Warriors backed up by Overlords with Resurrection orbs and crypteks with veil of darkness, with a third squad of 8 Warriors and a Lord with Resurrection Orb (this is a 2000-point list -- so there are 3 Doom Scythes in there and 12 Canoptek Wraiths as well)
2. When upgrading Destroyers to Heavy Destroyers, does at least 1 model in the squad have to remain a Destroyer? For example, if I want 3 Heavy Destroyers, can I simply have a squad of 3, or does it have to be 1 Destroyer and 3 Heavy Destroyers?
Thanks!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/06/16 15:33:21
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/16 15:35:26
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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IMHO:
- If you have so many warriors, you might aswell take the Stalker because of the TL buff. It should help your overall army more than the Hvy Destroyers (which I like a lot). Just a quick note, your walker will probably be the first thing that dies. In most of the games I used it, it just gave first blood to my oponent, it's ridiculous. I hear when there's 2 of them it's much better, but never tried.
- You can have 3 Hvy Destroyers, no need for Destroyers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/16 18:59:50
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Been Around the Block
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Thanks that was very helpful! I'm worried about the First-Blood thing though -- as I feel that it's one of the most important Victory Points to aim for. I'll take it into account..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/17 00:46:24
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Having the TL ability of the walker is good; however, having the precision high strength low AP shots from Heavy Destroyers is my preference. If I had to choose one or the other. Warrior shots in tha quantity are great but having PE S9 AP2 shots can hit and IK many things in the game. Also, the heavy destroyers are have RP and make for a great Anti-tank/MC unit.
My single stalker has worked out well for me however not as good as my my Heavy Destroyers.
Edit - including after thought
When I use my stalker for the TL feature, I find that I'm using it more to augment another unit against a target than to be a threat itself. This isn't necessarily a bad way of using it; however, it leads to the realization that using it in this manner means it'll rarely ever take out a unit by itself. Simply by itself, it can take out 1 enemy at a time unless it assaults (which it's decent at thanks to QS and being a walker). 1 enemy at a time works but isn't very effective in which case it turns into a 150ish point of war gear that has a target painted on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/17 00:52:50
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i'm more a fan of the heavy destroyers. i usually run a unit of 2+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/17 01:36:49
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Raging Ravener
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I'm starting to become a Heavy Destroyer fan, especially with my meta starting to ramp up all the 2+ armor save MCs (riptides, dreadknights) as well as the wraithknight. They provide reliable high str and AP 2 shooting. One of the few things our army lacks. They also can double well as your anti-tank, plus anti-terminators if there's nothing better to shoot at. I think with the rise in MC use, there's room for heavy destroyers in some Necron lists, at least those that don't rely on spamming Scythes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/17 04:32:57
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Been Around the Block
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Ok folks! Despite how much I like the Triarch Model I don't want to fall prey to "Shiny Syndrome". This is my new army list. Thanks to everyone for helping me make the finishing touches! The goal is to have a competitive army. Feedback is appreciated
H.Q.
2 Overlords: Resurrection Orb
1 Lord: Resurrection Orb
2 Crypteks: Veil Of Darkness
Sub-total: 415 points
TROOPS
2 Squads of 10 Necron Warriors; 1 Squad of Nine
Squad-1: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-2: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-3: Nine Warriors; pair with Lord
Sub-total: 377 points
FAST ATTACK
1 Squad of 6 Wraiths; 1 Squad of 5 Wraiths
3 Heavy Destroyers
Sub-total: 675 points
HEAVY SUPPORT
3 Doom Scythes
Sub-total: 525 points
Total: 1992 points; 8 points remaining
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/17 12:58:04
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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so all scoring is either deepstriking or walking... let me know how this works out. i've not brought my necrons off the shelf for a while and this is how they used to roll. albiet with bigger units but that was before 6th. if you find your stuff too slow you may want to try out the ghost ark. looks fun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/18 18:14:52
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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hivefleetantaeus wrote:Ok folks! Despite how much I like the Triarch Model I don't want to fall prey to "Shiny Syndrome". This is my new army list. Thanks to everyone for helping me make the finishing touches! The goal is to have a competitive army. Feedback is appreciated
H.Q.
2 Overlords: Resurrection Orb
1 Lord: Resurrection Orb
2 Crypteks: Veil Of Darkness
Sub-total: 415 points
TROOPS
2 Squads of 10 Necron Warriors; 1 Squad of Nine
Squad-1: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-2: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-3: Nine Warriors; pair with Lord
Sub-total: 377 points
FAST ATTACK
1 Squad of 6 Wraiths; 1 Squad of 5 Wraiths
3 Heavy Destroyers
Sub-total: 675 points
HEAVY SUPPORT
3 Doom Scythes
Sub-total: 525 points
Total: 1992 points; 8 points remaining
Do both Crypteks have VoD? I didn't think that was permitted. If not...how are you running the 2nd one?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/18 18:16:11
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Werewalrus wrote: hivefleetantaeus wrote:Ok folks! Despite how much I like the Triarch Model I don't want to fall prey to "Shiny Syndrome". This is my new army list. Thanks to everyone for helping me make the finishing touches! The goal is to have a competitive army. Feedback is appreciated
H.Q.
2 Overlords: Resurrection Orb
1 Lord: Resurrection Orb
2 Crypteks: Veil Of Darkness
Sub-total: 415 points
TROOPS
2 Squads of 10 Necron Warriors; 1 Squad of Nine
Squad-1: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-2: Ten Warriors; pair with Overlord & Cryptek
Squad-3: Nine Warriors; pair with Lord
Sub-total: 377 points
FAST ATTACK
1 Squad of 6 Wraiths; 1 Squad of 5 Wraiths
3 Heavy Destroyers
Sub-total: 675 points
HEAVY SUPPORT
3 Doom Scythes
Sub-total: 525 points
Total: 1992 points; 8 points remaining
Do both Crypteks have VoD? I didn't think that was permitted. If not...how are you running the 2nd one?
It's not. It's one specific type of wargear per court.
Seeing though that he has two overlords, I would say the 2 voidteks are each part of a different court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/18 18:17:42
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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He's using the second Royal Court from the second Overlord
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/18 19:39:02
Subject: Re:Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It's not. It's one specific type of wargear per court.
Seeing though that he has two overlords, I would say the 2 voidteks are each part of a different court.
thx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/18 21:55:40
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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I played against a triarch stalker last night, Sadly my opponent forgot what move through cover meant so it was slow, but even with that sad limitation the two str 8 melta on my tiptide was brutal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/19 00:31:16
Subject: Heavy Destroyers vs. Triarch Stalker?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If I did take a Triarch Stalker (I will probably take heavy destroyers, as heavy destroyers seem more versatile to me) I would take the twin-linked Heavy Gauss Cannon to increase its range, so I can spread the twin-linking love around
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