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Were GWS ever to release ANOTHER (god-forbid) SM codex which chapter/legion would you like to see?
First considerations would of course go to one of the founding chapters but other, more ambiguous chapters should be considered (Soul Drinkers?)
Obviously a chapter such as Crimson fists would fall under an Imperial Fist codex.

I voted Salamanders out of nothing more than self-interest, since that's what I play.

Something new and different would be cool, though, instead of the same old same old.

Iron hands easily. Should they though? Maybe not, there's enough of them around already, but it has to be the legion with the least care put into it at the moment.

I like the idea of the Black Dragons chapter having a codex. There's potential there for a lot of new and unique units.

My short answer is Crimson Fists, but I was thinking about this the other night. I could see it making sense to release supplements for the more notable chapters together. For example do a "Sons of Dorn" supplement with Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists and Black Templars in it. Then they could release another "Survivors of Istvaan" that would group together Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard. I think it would be a cool idea and everyone would have a codex / fluff book if the grouped the notable 1st and 2nd founding chapters together.

SpyderG6 wrote:
My short answer is Crimson Fists, but I was thinking about this the other night. I could see it making sense to release supplements for the more notable chapters together. For example do a "Sons of Dorn" supplement with Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists and Black Templars in it.

I'm not really in favour of GWS rolling back any codices. I would cry if they pulled the Back Templar codex instead of giving it a long-awaited update.

For me It would be The Blood Ravens, they always seemed the coolest chapter to me.

Imperial fists!

I can't really think of any notable Chapter due to how the current Space Marine Codexes have pretty much covered most of the play styles. The only thing I can think of would be either survivor chapters (Lamenters, Crimson Fist, Scythes of the Emperor, etc.) where their stats or equipment get some noticeable advantage or a Thousand Son-style army, with each squad getting a psyker or something similar to that (I'm looking at you, Blood Ravens and any other Chapters like that).

Those voting Founding Chapters, let us know what you'd like to see in the codex that you think should be unique to that chapter eg: units, wargear, vehicles, rules....

Of the core chapters?

Iron Hands.

None of the others are more notably different than a vanilla chapter. Hell, they're more different than the Blood Angels or the Dark Angels, IMO.

Voted Other. The founding chapters aren't that different from the vanilla marines as Void__Dragon said.

I think I would like to see Iron Snakes. I haven't read their book, but the lexicanum shows how they are different and unique.

Check out some of the pearls

The Chapter armory is able to issue Combat Shields short-swords, and sealances (javelin-type fighting spears) to all brothers, enabling them to close up and use phalanx-style tactics. They are particularly skillful with the sea-lance, as part of a petitioner's training on their homeworld of Ithaka involves the hunting and slaying of the large, predacious sea-wyrms native to the planet.[1]

One of their unique battle practices is that they trained to use dogs in combat, especially in tracking and attacking Dark Eldar.

The Iron Snakes are unique in their Tactical squads in the fact that all squads are attached with an Apothecary unlike other codex Astartes who are assigned one per company.

And natdog027, I like Black Dragons a lot too, but I think they look a lot like Blood Angels.

Salamanders definitely.

 n0t_u wrote:
Iron hands easily. Should they though? Maybe not, there's enough of them around already, but it has to be the legion with the least care put into it at the moment.

Agreed, when was the last time the Iron Hands got anything major?

I've always been *very* surprised that there isn't an Ultramarine Codex.

 Tower75 wrote:
I've always been *very* surprised that there isn't an Ultramarine Codex.

There is, it's the Vanilla one. The Ultramarines are about as Vanilla as you can get. Heck, Sternguard veterans used to be called Tyrannic War veterans.

 Kain wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:
I've always been *very* surprised that there isn't an Ultramarine Codex.

There is, it's the Vanilla one. The Ultramarines are about as Vanilla as you can get. Heck, Sternguard veterans used to be called Tyrannic War veterans.

Yes, but it's a Space Marine Codex, not a titled Ultramatine Codex. By that arguement you can fairly ask why to Blood Angels, or any other Chapter get Codex. Blood Angels are just 'Red' vanilla marines. Even if you take into account different Chapters' fighting styles and/or Chapter specific units, you could argue that these could be covered with a central Space Marine Codex.

As I say, I just find it odd that, say, Blood Angels get one, but not Ultramarines.

 Tower75 wrote:

Yes, but it's a Space Marine Codex, not a titled Ultramatine Codex. By that arguement you can fairly ask why to Blood Angels, or any other Chapter get Codex. Blood Angels are just 'Red' vanilla marines. Even if you take into account different Chapters' fighting styles and/or Chapter specific units, you could argue that these could be covered with a central Space Marine Codex.

As I say, I just find it odd that, say, Blood Angels get one, but not Ultramarines.

What you're saying is just wrong. Codex Space Marines is mostly your so called Codex Ultrasmurfs with some extra options. Blood Angels aren't red vanilla marines, they have quite a lot of stuff they only use themselves. So that makes them unique. That's why they got a codex. Unlike Ultrasmurfs, as they are as plain as plain can get

 Tower75 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:
I've always been *very* surprised that there isn't an Ultramarine Codex.

There is, it's the Vanilla one. The Ultramarines are about as Vanilla as you can get. Heck, Sternguard veterans used to be called Tyrannic War veterans.

Yes, but it's a Space Marine Codex, not a titled Ultramatine Codex. By that arguement you can fairly ask why to Blood Angels, or any other Chapter get Codex. Blood Angels are just 'Red' vanilla marines. Even if you take into account different Chapters' fighting styles and/or Chapter specific units, you could argue that these could be covered with a central Space Marine Codex.

As I say, I just find it odd that, say, Blood Angels get one, but not Ultramarines.

Gather around kids, it's fluff time. (Or what I think it is). C:SM is one big blob of Codex Astartes compliant chapters. Blood Angels are NOT Vanilla marines because of their dirty little secret. They have exclusive units and situations unique to them, eck, they even have different Chaplains with a different job, the Sanguinary Priests.

Same thing with Black Templars. They aren't vanilla marines because not only do they have a different mind-set from the Codex Astartes, they DON'T respect the 1000 limit rules. There are over 1000 BT spread across the galaxy in a constant crusade.

SW is the same thing. They pretty much said "Shove it" to Roboute Guilliman, hence a C:SW.

What would be the difference between CSm and codex ultramarines?

They've already got a list which makes and ultramarine force
a load of fluff
a load of special characters.

It is an Ultramarines (and other codex astartes chapters) codex.

Blood Angles and the others do not follow Codex Astartes

I disagree, Ultramarines have unique units themselves, well, unless those have been added to the other chapters recently (tyrannic war vets comes to mind). To call them 'default' and then claim the Imperial Fists require a codex is totally contradictory. How deviant from Codex Astartes does a chapter have to be to warrant a unique codex? I remember a time when BA and DA shared a codex.

Also Traitor Legions before another C:SM chapter with some special snowflake new unit and a fresh coat of paint please.

MarsNZ wrote:
I disagree, Ultramarines have unique units themselves, well, unless those have been added to the other chapters recently (tyrannic war vets comes to mind).

Aside from the special characters - no they don't. Tyrannic War veterans are now Sternguard, and they don't have anything else unique.

To call them 'default' and then claim the Imperial Fists require a codex is totally contradictory. How deviant from Codex Astartes does a chapter have to be to warrant a unique codex?

This I agree with - Imperial Fists are almost completely a Codex Chapter, special characters would be enough to cover any minor differences there.

My vote goes to the Iron Hands - since they're the only one in the poll who are different enough in such a way that the vanilla Codex doesn't really cover them. Hell, bionics as a whole have really stepped out of the limelight, which is a shame.

If you read about the Iron Hands, they are probably the most divergent chapter their is. That they don't even have a special character is mind boggling.

I personally prefer Salamanders, but the IH hands down would need an entire codex to truly reflect how they operate.

I would gp with salamanders. They offer opportunities for great figs, and as they massively prefer flamers, this will be a short range shooting army. Their are not many armies like that in the game.

Iron Hands for me.I think that more needs to be written about them in general and their somewhat peculiar habits lend themselves well to a very different style of play.

Do Iron Hands hold any allegiances or ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus?
What about them sets them apart so much for other marine chapters? (Aside from the bionics)

 mattyrm wrote:
Iron Hands for me.I think that more needs to be written about them in general and their somewhat peculiar habits lend themselves well to a very different style of play.

And Iron Hands codex for me too.You could have Iron Father Gdolkin as an SC,in artificer armour and be able to upgrade to an HQ dreadnought.

They have very strong ties with the Mechanicus,plus the whole " flesh is weak thing " and the organisation is based on which tribe the marine came from rather than 10 company's.

Black Templars.

The current one is a cruel joke.

Ultramarines. 6th Edition.



That's all.


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 Super Ready wrote:

Aside from the special characters - no they don't. Tyrannic War veterans are now Sternguard, and they don't have anything else unique.

They used to.

Whirlwinds. Landspeeders. Attack Bikes. Apothecary. Tarantula. Veterans. Terminator Armour for HQ choices. Even the humble Razorback, all of these were for a while only available in Codex Ultramarines.

 Zweischneid wrote:
They used to. Whirlwinds. Landspeeders. Attack Bikes. Apothecary. Tarantula. Veterans. Terminator Armour for HQ choices. Even the humble Razorback, all of these were for a while only available in Codex Ultramarines.

But all of these things were specified as available for other Chapters too... the Codex even states you can use it to represent different Codex Chapters and has painted examples of some of these units in other Chapters' colours. The only Ultramarine-specific things in there were the special characters - they didn't even have Tyrannic War Veterans that early on.

The only notable difference (apart from the rules, obviously) is the cover. Every Marine Codex has concentrated on the Ultramarines first and foremost anyway, they just had the good sense to change the Codex name.