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 Super Ready wrote:
[. Every Marine Codex has concentrated on the Ultramarines first and foremost anyway, they just had the good sense to change the Codex name.

Except the one that had Crimson Fists on the cover of course

A salamander codex would be cool, but not really needed.

One I want to see just because im a huge fan boy of them, is a Legion of the Damned codex.

It would focus on high point models that move slow and carry big gun.

think of an army of sternguards but they cant move more then 6 inches at a time

Most chapters could be covered by the main Cosex plus a few pages of additional rules. I liked the rules publisher in White Dwarf for chapters like the Relictors and others. They don't need a book, just enough to give them a different flavour.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I liked the rules publisher in White Dwarf for chapters like the Relictors and others. They don't need a book, just enough to give them a different flavour.

That's the best way to proceed, imo. It was that feature in WD which sparked my fascination with the Relictors (see my sig for further evidence ). Expanding it a little, you could have variant lists for 'Loyal but misguided' (ie mainly Codex but with a few items of Chaos wargear), 'Teetering' (a mix of units from the loyalist and Chaos codexes, but still loyalist and able to ally like regular Marines - maybe with tweaks to the ally matrix), 'Renegade' (restricted loyalist wargear, weird unique units) and full-on Chaos.

Some awesome potential for special characters and wargera in there.

Salamanders.

Could do with something (a little) less grimdark.

I voted 'other'.

I'd much rather see a unified space marine codex with all the core rules that every marine chapter uses and then a single, optional chapter compendium book with chapter-specific characters, units and, rules (just enough for flavor; not an entire codex-worth of rules per chapter). rules and unit costs would be normalized across all the chapters, with just a few differences per chapter to provide a unique flavor for each. I think all the chapters should be much more homogenous then the current half-dozen marine codices that are on the market right now. while a system of rules to build your own chapter could be cool, I think it would be tough to do well and probably not worth the effort or confusion (or abuse opportunities). better to simply provide enough variety in the chapter compendium that people can find a ruleset they like and apply it to their custom chapter.

this will never happen, of course (for model sales reasons, if nothing else), but it's fun to think about

 kronk wrote:
Black Templars.
The current one is a cruel joke.

Could not be more cruelly said... but I agree.

I love their look and story but they have gone from "angry marines"(marine codex), "we only do close combat"(Armageddon codex)(write out my whirlwind), to "chain-gang"(present codex, we are all chains and tabards). I could only bring myself to play them as themselves for dropping terminators in a drop pod because I could. Sticking a power fist on a normal guy in a squad has never seemed so pointless.

They REALLY need some thought put in and then fixed. How hard is it to portray a marine army always on crusade? More experienced, hard bitten, independent gods of war. While the space wolves go back to their home and beer these guys are on-route to the next fight. They have more in common with Orks than their fellows.

Remove the silly trinkets and think what is the most expedient means of killing the enemy, while they keep foremost in their minds why they do it and you might get these guys figured out.

Rant over...

 varl wrote:
I voted 'other'.

I'd much rather see a unified space marine codex with all the core rules that every marine chapter uses and then a single, optional chapter compendium book with chapter-specific characters, units and, rules (just enough for flavor; not an entire codex-worth of rules per chapter). rules and unit costs would be normalized across all the chapters, with just a few differences per chapter to provide a unique flavor for each. I think all the chapters should be much more homogenous then the current half-dozen marine codices that are on the market right now. while a system of rules to build your own chapter could be cool, I think it would be tough to do well and probably not worth the effort or confusion (or abuse opportunities). better to simply provide enough variety in the chapter compendium that people can find a ruleset they like and apply it to their custom chapter.

this will never happen, of course (for model sales reasons, if nothing else), but it's fun to think about

Does this or doesn't this include the Grey Knights?

Grey Knights are way differents from Marines. For example, they are not decribed as battle brothers with the others chapters in the rulebook

 Kain wrote:

 varl wrote:
I voted 'other'.

I'd much rather see a unified space marine codex with all the core rules that every marine chapter uses and then a single, optional chapter compendium book with chapter-specific characters, units and, rules (just enough for flavor; not an entire codex-worth of rules per chapter). rules and unit costs would be normalized across all the chapters, with just a few differences per chapter to provide a unique flavor for each. I think all the chapters should be much more homogenous then the current half-dozen marine codices that are on the market right now. while a system of rules to build your own chapter could be cool, I think it would be tough to do well and probably not worth the effort or confusion (or abuse opportunities). better to simply provide enough variety in the chapter compendium that people can find a ruleset they like and apply it to their custom chapter.

this will never happen, of course (for model sales reasons, if nothing else), but it's fun to think about

Does this or doesn't this include the Grey Knights?

good question. I could see this going two ways. you could alter the GKs enough to make them their own faction instead of lumping them in with the rest of the astartes (fluff-wise, this wouldn't be that far off the mark). this would justify them having their own codex, entirely separate from the space marine rules. this is a slippery slope, though, as you could argue that to truly represent some marine chapters, they need a bunch of special rules and such... and then you end up with the same marine codex proliferation we have today.

alternatively, you could redesign GKs so that they basically worked just like every other marine chapter, with just a handful of special rules and unique units that sit on top of the standard space marine ruleset. they'd lose some (possibly a lot) of their uniqueness, but would still have their own flavor and there would be one less codex for GW to have to maintain. I'm sure this path would piss off a lot of people, though (same with all the BA, SW, etc. players)

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Knights

IRON KNIGHTS!

Relictors

 varl wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 varl wrote:
I voted 'other'.

I'd much rather see a unified space marine codex with all the core rules that every marine chapter uses and then a single, optional chapter compendium book with chapter-specific characters, units and, rules (just enough for flavor; not an entire codex-worth of rules per chapter). rules and unit costs would be normalized across all the chapters, with just a few differences per chapter to provide a unique flavor for each. I think all the chapters should be much more homogenous then the current half-dozen marine codices that are on the market right now. while a system of rules to build your own chapter could be cool, I think it would be tough to do well and probably not worth the effort or confusion (or abuse opportunities). better to simply provide enough variety in the chapter compendium that people can find a ruleset they like and apply it to their custom chapter.

this will never happen, of course (for model sales reasons, if nothing else), but it's fun to think about

Does this or doesn't this include the Grey Knights?

good question. I could see this going two ways. you could alter the GKs enough to make them their own faction instead of lumping them in with the rest of the astartes (fluff-wise, this wouldn't be that far off the mark). this would justify them having their own codex, entirely separate from the space marine rules. this is a slippery slope, though, as you could argue that to truly represent some marine chapters, they need a bunch of special rules and such... and then you end up with the same marine codex proliferation we have today.

alternatively, you could redesign GKs so that they basically worked just like every other marine chapter, with just a handful of special rules and unique units that sit on top of the standard space marine ruleset. they'd lose some (possibly a lot) of their uniqueness, but would still have their own flavor and there would be one less codex for GW to have to maintain. I'm sure this path would piss off a lot of people, though (same with all the BA, SW, etc. players)

Well the Knights have always been kind of distinct from the Astartes. They're the Marine's Marine. As one of the three militant chambers of the Inquisition they have to be some of the hardest gits the Imperium has to offer, although most fluff does not describe the SOBs as being up to snuff with the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights. But I'm digressing pretty far.

The Grey Knights armory as it stands is very much different from the Vanilla marines as are their tactics. If the Marines are shock troopers, then the GKs seem to be commandos.

right, so that would argue strongly for a codex of their own since they are distinct enough from the rank-and-file Astartes. BA, SW, DA, etc. should all be rolled up into a single book, though

Codex: Rainbow Warriors

SpyderG6 wrote:
My short answer is Crimson Fists, but I was thinking about this the other night. I could see it making sense to release supplements for the more notable chapters together. For example do a "Sons of Dorn" supplement with Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists and Black Templars in it. Then they could release another "Survivors of Istvaan" that would group together Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard. I think it would be a cool idea and everyone would have a codex / fluff book if the grouped the notable 1st and 2nd founding chapters together.

This is a freaking good idea.

I don't play marines of any description, but if there were a codex of one of these I would: Thousand Sons (it'd be nice to have another marne codex that isn't loyalist and I love their fluff and colour scheme), Iron Snakes (cool fluff and potential for unique weapons and tactics) or the Reasonable Marines (army wide infiltrate, redeployment abilities and good reserves for tactical guerilla warfare on the table)

Special mention to the Angry and Pretty Marines.

What would you guys think if GWS did up a codex for each of the traitor legions?
Or which traitor legion do you think would benefit most from their own codex: World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperor's Children or Thousand Sons?

 Backspacehacker wrote:

One I want to see just because im a huge fan boy of them, is a Legion of the Damned codex.

It would focus on high point models that move slow and carry big gun.

think of an army of sternguards but they cant move more then 6 inches at a time

I too am a big fan of these guys. To me they seem out of place in C:SM and I wish they had a rule-set to do their models justice.
P.S. congratz Backspacehacker on 666 posts

 Necroagogo wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I liked the rules publisher in White Dwarf for chapters like the Relictors and others. They don't need a book, just enough to give them a different flavour.

That's the best way to proceed, imo. It was that feature in WD which sparked my fascination with the Relictors (see my sig for further evidence ). Expanding it a little, you could have variant lists for 'Loyal but misguided' (ie mainly Codex but with a few items of Chaos wargear), 'Teetering' (a mix of units from the loyalist and Chaos codexes, but still loyalist and able to ally like regular Marines - maybe with tweaks to the ally matrix), 'Renegade' (restricted loyalist wargear, weird unique units) and full-on Chaos.

Some awesome potential for special characters and wargera in there.

Absolutely: Codex Relictors!

Having a renegades codex would be awesome.

If we are talking first founding - Iron Hands absolutely - tech heavy with tons of bionics.

 Xendarc wrote:
Do Iron Hands hold any allegiances or ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus?
What about them sets them apart so much for other marine chapters? (Aside from the bionics)

Honestly, bionics is the most superficial thing that sets them apart.

-They have no chapter master
-Their 'Companies' are actually independent clans, more like BT crusade fleets maybe. They recruit for themselves and maintain their own armories.
-Iron Fathers. Their techmarines take on the role of chaplain.
-They hate everyone, loyalists for being weak, and traitors for being traitors.
-Dreads are more often HQ characters.
-Their most senior veterans are more cyborg than man. Honestly they would need a new statline to represent their near total conversion to a bionic body. (T5 S5, or an invuln save)
-Little to no terminators.

Those are the things that come to mind without taking more time to look stuff up.

 SickSix wrote:

 Xendarc wrote:
Do Iron Hands hold any allegiances or ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus?
What about them sets them apart so much for other marine chapters? (Aside from the bionics)

Honestly, bionics is the most superficial thing that sets them apart.

-They have no chapter master
-Their 'Companies' are actually independent clans, more like BT crusade fleets maybe. They recruit for themselves and maintain their own armories.
-Iron Fathers. Their techmarines take on the role of chaplain.
-They hate everyone, loyalists for being weak, and traitors for being traitors.
-Dreads are more often HQ characters.
-Their most senior veterans are more cyborg than man. Honestly they would need a new statline to represent their near total conversion to a bionic body. (T5 S5, or an invuln save)
-Little to no terminators.

Those are the things that come to mind without taking more time to look stuff up.

No terminators Didn't they have those morlock terminators or were they kinda disbanded after the heresy?

 Xendarc wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

 Xendarc wrote:
Do Iron Hands hold any allegiances or ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus?
What about them sets them apart so much for other marine chapters? (Aside from the bionics)

Honestly, bionics is the most superficial thing that sets them apart.

-They have no chapter master
-Their 'Companies' are actually independent clans, more like BT crusade fleets maybe. They recruit for themselves and maintain their own armories.
-Iron Fathers. Their techmarines take on the role of chaplain.
-They hate everyone, loyalists for being weak, and traitors for being traitors.
-Dreads are more often HQ characters.
-Their most senior veterans are more cyborg than man. Honestly they would need a new statline to represent their near total conversion to a bionic body. (T5 S5, or an invuln save)
-Little to no terminators.

Those are the things that come to mind without taking more time to look stuff up.

No terminators Didn't they have those morlock terminators or were they kinda disbanded after the heresy?

You might want to read 'Fulgrim'

redacted

 SickSix wrote:

You might want to read 'Fulgrim'

Spoiler:

They were all killed on Istvann V

Lexicanum mentions that they lost 'most' of their veteran forces but still have their sergeants often equipped with suits of Terminator armour as the "inspirational value they provide to their squads is invaluable".

 Xendarc wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

You might want to read 'Fulgrim'

Spoiler:

They were all killed on Istvann V

Lexicanum mentions that they lost 'most' of their veteran forces but still have their sergeants often equipped with suits of Terminator armour as the "inspirational value they provide to their squads is invaluable".

No terminators he says.

Null vote, I think we need more Guard, Eldar, and Ork codices first

Codex: Blood Angels should be renamed Codex: Space Sharks.

Those guys seem pretty on the ball.

The Iron hands may be lacking in terminator armor, but they make up for it by having an awful lot of artificer armor.

Honestly id love to see a CSM chapter get a codex over ANOTHER SM chapter...

Maybe Word Bearers as their codex could be pretty neat with new daemon units and basically combining the Chaos daemons and CSM books back to how it used to be in the olden days when my chaos army could use the 30+ bloodletters i have sitting around from the olden days(the metal ones cause theyre the best, not some skinny little chicken legged plastic ones! =P)

but if i HAD to pick from loyalists, id either give soul drinkers or Salamanders a shot, as i feel they both could contribute something NEW to a new codex rather than just being another silly re-write.

I do think they should expand other armies instead of Marine Chapters first, but if forced to choose a Marine chapter...I would love to see Imperial Fists. Their color scheme is different enough from all the other 'established' Codex armies and a seige army sounds like it could be fun to come up with rules for to make them stand out.