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I predict a massive Massive demonic invasion from the forces of Chaos in the near future! The forces of Chaos are already planning a huge attack on the milky way, a unholy invasion so large that every other races would need to band together. The Horus Heresy would be a joke compared to this. The Imperium of Men needs to put aside they're hatred for xenos if they wanna stand a chance, Necrons, Taus, Eldars, Orks needs to work with the Imperium or all is lost. The Hive Mind needs to contact the Alliance or else trillions above trillions of insects are gonna get squished by the rampaging daemons. Dark Eldar needs to grow a pair and join forces with the Eldar who than join forces with the Alliance.

Universal Alliance - Imperium of Men, Necron, Eldar, Tyranids, Orks, Tau.

vs

Chaos, the destroyer of universes.

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That would be far too easy, pffffffft.

It's much more Grimdark for everyone to hate each other and just fight with everyone else.

Iranna.

I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

The Tyranids do not understand anything about Chaos and are impossible to communicate with. They're never going to ally with anyone.

The Necrons do not accept allies, only thralls.

You can't trust Eldar, of either stripe. Hell, they're pretty much the same anyway.

Tau are... well-meaning, but dumb.

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

As one with a strong distaste for chaos, I found this especially funny...... lols

And Chaos itself isn't exactly united. Even Abaddon doesn't seem capable of getting the various lords to focus under his lash for very long. A lot of Chaos excursions lose steam when the subordinates break off to go about their own thing as if the entire faction had ADHD.

Tyranids don't team up but they do take the easiest path like any predator. They'll either leave or wait on the edge for whatever wounded survive.

Necrons don't team but are more then capable of focusing their efforts on one enemy. They'll ignore imperium forces while focusing on the forces of chaos. That or go back to bed.

 Kain wrote:
And Chaos itself isn't exactly united. Even Abaddon doesn't seem capable of getting the various lords to focus under his lash for very long. A lot of Chaos excursions lose steam when the subordinates break off to go about their own thing as if the entire faction had ADHD.

That is, IMO, the ultimate and fatal flaw with Chaos. It can't unite for long since that sort of "order" is anathema to the concept of chaos. Thus, no incursion, or series thereof, will even stay focused for long enough to really destabilize any major government. The thing is, the major governments - or forces of "order" - do plenty of destabilizing each other as it is. Chaos could probably sit back and, make popcorn, and get their work done for them.

I think the more likely result is that the whole galaxy, including the Immaterium would need to join up to take down the Tyranids. I mean, they're an extra-galactic threat seemingly without number that may swallow the galaxy whole.

Though, that said, the Imperium is on record getting extra-galactic messages that are notably Orkish, so once again, I think the Greenskins live on just fine,

And nids and necrons and orks if they finally united and possibly even the imperium if the Emperor somehow awoke again. Sadly, the more likely answer of the future of 40k is that we'll never get past the 41st millenia xD

And I predict that chaos spontaneously all die, including the chaos gods, and never return!

But more seriously... Eh, everyone vs chaos is about as likely as everyone vs (insert any other faction here). No, just no, basically. Especially the whole "tyrannids somehow communicate and ally up" thing.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Tyranids do not understand anything about Chaos and are impossible to communicate with. They're never going to ally with anyone.

I imagine that'll last until their next Codex, when a piece of fluff will be written in which the Space Wolves board a hive ship, have lunch with the Norn Queen and decide that Tyranids hunt in packs and kill stuff and that's basically close enough. Then Tigurius has some kind of psychic chat and so vanilla Marines can be pals with them too, and also Orks because why not.

To destroy chaos you must destroy the sorce.

Kill mankind and the Eldar.

So it's up to Tau, Orks, Necrons and Squats to stomp out the flames of Chaos.

Tyranids are just passing through and are unconcerned with the actions of angry figments.

 DeffDred wrote:
To destroy chaos you must destroy the sorce.

Kill mankind and the Eldar.

So it's up to Tau, Orks, Necrons and Squats to stomp out the flames of Chaos.

Tyranids are just passing through and are unconcerned with the actions of angry figments.

If the Tyranids are done passing through every world in the galaxy would be dead without so much as a single bacterium to attest to anything having ever lived in it. And thus Chaos would be dead.

Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

I always imagined that the Acuity implied that chaos was waiting to reach "(super)critical mass" before doing that.

Wow, that idea was just awful.

This is just dumb.

ZSO, SAHAAL wrote:
This is just dumb.

And so the pot calls the kettle black. Please remember what threads you have made before mocking other people for it.

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!


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 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

Tyranids are weak, they get squished like a bug, sure they can scare a few guardsmen but thats all they could do, cause terror to the mortal races. Against Chaos Tyranids are nothing., no matter how many they send, they are fighting something completely different than what they've been fighting. There is no proof in the fluff that shows tyranid beating a greater daemon/daemon prince. Against the supernatural, Tyranids are gonna get schooled hard. The Hive mind won't be able to understand Chaos no matter how hard it tries to evolve, Chaos is beyond its understanding. Tyranids may be a big threat but its still a mortal threat.


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 StarTrotter wrote:
And nids and necrons and orks if they finally united and possibly even the imperium if the Emperor somehow awoke again. Sadly, the more likely answer of the future of 40k is that we'll never get past the 41st millenia xD

Nids, Orks and Necrons are all mortal threats, in movies/series daemons/demons are always the main threat. Imagine a robot, a stupid green orc, and a alien bug fighting against a demon in any movie, yeah i don't think its gonna end well for them.

yeah... I was under the impression that the Tyranids are the true threat.

Also the necrons once fully awoken will be a massive threat as well.

Chaos just has a long history of being archenemies with the imperium and most fluff we have is from an imperial point of view - which is why we have the impression that chaos is a big deal.

Whereas the Tyranids have potential consumed an entire galaxy/galaxies. The true question in warhammer 41K+ is whether we have seen 10% of the Tyranid force or 0.01% so far.

Ha, the Templars need not the help of xenos filth to drive back the enemies of man, all shall perish before the will of the crusade.

Ah I seem to have stepped into a thread full of wankery.

Shall I debunk his claims or shall I just leave him to his delusions?

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

Tyranids are weak, they get squished like a bug, sure they can scare a few guardsmen but thats all they could do, cause terror to the mortal races. Against Chaos Tyranids are nothing., no matter how many they send, they are fighting something completely different than what they've been fighting. There is no proof in the fluff that shows tyranid beating a greater daemon/daemon prince. Against the supernatural, Tyranids are gonna get schooled hard. The Hive mind won't be able to understand Chaos no matter how hard it tries to evolve, Chaos is beyond its understanding. Tyranids may be a big threat but its still a mortal threat.

Actually I believe that Tyranids have eaten entire Daemon worlds before. I know there's one example where Exterminatus was called because Daemons and Nids were duking it out, but at the very least Nids can easily compete with Daemons. There's almost no question in my mind that a Daemon Prince can be killed/banished by Nids.

 jifel wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

Tyranids are weak, they get squished like a bug, sure they can scare a few guardsmen but thats all they could do, cause terror to the mortal races. Against Chaos Tyranids are nothing., no matter how many they send, they are fighting something completely different than what they've been fighting. There is no proof in the fluff that shows tyranid beating a greater daemon/daemon prince. Against the supernatural, Tyranids are gonna get schooled hard. The Hive mind won't be able to understand Chaos no matter how hard it tries to evolve, Chaos is beyond its understanding. Tyranids may be a big threat but its still a mortal threat.

Actually I believe that Tyranids have eaten entire Daemon worlds before. I know there's one example where Exterminatus was called because Daemons and Nids were duking it out, but at the very least Nids can easily compete with Daemons. There's almost no question in my mind that a Daemon Prince can be killed/banished by Nids.

And in Retribution, even Kyras merged with one of the most powerful bloodthirsters ever; could be killed by the Tyranids.

Tyranids beating Kryas was for gameplay reasons not lore, only the blood raven mode was canon. and if they didn;t use exterminatus than the daemons would eventually consume and made the tyranids running back to their hives! responding to kain and jifel since the quotes messed up.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!


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 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

Tyranids are weak, they get squished like a bug, sure they can scare a few guardsmen but thats all they could do, cause terror to the mortal races. Against Chaos Tyranids are nothing., no matter how many they send, they are fighting something completely different than what they've been fighting. There is no proof in the fluff that shows tyranid beating a greater daemon/daemon prince. Against the supernatural, Tyranids are gonna get schooled hard. The Hive mind won't be able to understand Chaos no matter how hard it tries to evolve, Chaos is beyond its understanding. Tyranids may be a big threat but its still a mortal threat.


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 StarTrotter wrote:
And nids and necrons and orks if they finally united and possibly even the imperium if the Emperor somehow awoke again. Sadly, the more likely answer of the future of 40k is that we'll never get past the 41st millenia xD

Nids, Orks and Necrons are all mortal threats, in movies/series daemons/demons are always the main threat. Imagine a robot, a stupid green orc, and a alien bug fighting against a demon in any movie, yeah i don't think its gonna end well for them.

This all kind of sounds like wishfull thinking. Technically, gork and more -are- more powerful than the other chaos god's combined, because there are more orks than the other sentient races put together (This does not include tyranids, as they share one conciousness, they are not truly sentient in most cases) and chaos god's, including gork and mork, are fueled by those who practice what they stand for. All orks follow what gork and mork stand for, not all other races follow what the chaos god's stand for (Rage, thirst for knowledge, e.x)

However, gork and mork, (thankfully) do not try to meddle in the event's of realspace as the other chaos god's do. They merely are empowered by them.

Tyranid's don't just threaten guardsmen, they threaten the galaxy as a whole, space marines struggle with them, yes space marines can beat them, but the space marines can only be so many places at once, wheras tyranid's could mount simultanious assault's on thousands or more of world's with the sheer number of them there are. It's just a case of those tyranid hive fleet's arriving, as right now, we are only seeing the first few trickles of them entering the galaxy.

Daemons are powerful, yes. I play them, I love them, I love their fluff, but I'm not going to put them on a pedestal. They do not fare well in realspace. They can breach and attack, but they cannot invade as other races can, they are oppertunists, bursting through warprift's as and when they occur. It's rare for them to create one themselves. They also, for the most part, don't want to destroy everyone and everything. Just those who insult them, go against their beleifs, or on the rare occasion, threaten them in some way, as in the case of the emperor.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:




Tyranids beating Kryas was for gameplay reasons not lore, only the blood raven mode was canon. and if they didn;t use exterminatus than the daemons would eventually consume and made the tyranids running back to their hives!

Daemons can be beaten by simply bashing them hard enough. Sure it's easier to have special anti-daemon measures, but even a bloodthirster will fall to a Plasma Annihilator. The Tyranids simply dakka'd and stabbed Kyras and the Malefactor until they died. It's not rocket science.

As for Sondheim V, the battle was largely a tie.

Now virtually every other time Chaos and the Tyranids have met in force, Chaos was defeated.

During the 13th black crusade the forces of nurgle descended upon a system only for a Tyranid force to descend upon them and attack both the loyalists and nurglites. The Nurglites found out to their horror that the Tyranids were immune to Nurgle.

The Death Shadows renegade chapter of Chaos Space marines was descended upon by Hive Fleet Behemoth and devoured and put up such a bad fight they barely got a footnote.

An entire grand company (over a thousand) Iron Warriors and millions of traitor guard and cultists and daemons on the world of Forgefane were gakcanned by Hive Fleet Leviathan in a single week, putting up a worse fight than the Ultramarines.

 Kain wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:


During the 13th black crusade the forces of nurgle descended upon a system only for a Tyranid force to descend upon them and attack both the loyalists and nurglites. The Nurglites found out to their horror that the Tyranids were immune to Nurgle.

Do you remember roughly where this is? I seem to recall something similar, but can't find a source.

Xyptc wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:


During the 13th black crusade the forces of nurgle descended upon a system only for a Tyranid force to descend upon them and attack both the loyalists and nurglites. The Nurglites found out to their horror that the Tyranids were immune to Nurgle.

Do you remember roughly where this is? I seem to recall something similar, but can't find a source.

Planet Belis Corona, it took a massive influx of the Eldar and the Sisters of battle to stop the Tyranids from devouring the system.