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Wouldn't it boil down to Orks vs Tyranids?

You can't exactly kill either race fully, only slow them.

Hospy wrote:
Wouldn't it boil down to Orks vs Tyranids?

You can't exactly kill either race fully, only slow them.

Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons.

This thread is ridiculous. All the races would NEVER ally together in canon. Pssshawww

More like they'd all need to unite in order to combat the main Tyranid force that's still on its way out in the void. Even Chaos would have a vested interest in saving the Galaxy from consumption - without emotional organisms, it can't exist nor indulge in eternal bloodlust and carnage if there's no one to wage war with. Chaos isn't as big a deal as Chaos players wish - otherwise that dummy wouldn't be on his 13th Crusade, and that's only his, let alone all the other failures.

The Tyranid entity is by far and away the greatest threat the galaxy has coming, because its plan is to wipe every planet bare, turn the galaxy into an enormous collection of barren rocks and then move on to the next galaxy. It cares not for political or religious sentiment, it has one purpose and it cannot be reasoned with. In the end, the final conflict would be Necrons and Tyranids, with the Necrons just chasing them out of the galaxy since Tyranids wouldn't pay attention to Necrons (Solemnace as an example).

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
More like they'd all need to unite in order to combat the main Tyranid force that's still on its way out in the void. Even Chaos would have a vested interest in saving the Galaxy from consumption - without emotional organisms, it can't exist nor indulge in eternal bloodlust and carnage if there's no one to wage war with. Chaos isn't as big a deal as Chaos players wish - otherwise that dummy wouldn't be on his 13th Crusade, and that's only his, let alone all the other failures.

The Tyranid entity is by far and away the greatest threat the galaxy has coming, because its plan is to wipe every planet bare, turn the galaxy into an enormous collection of barren rocks and then move on to the next galaxy. It cares not for political or religious sentiment, it has one purpose and it cannot be reasoned with. In the end, the final conflict would be Necrons and Tyranids, with the Necrons just chasing them out of the galaxy since Tyranids wouldn't pay attention to Necrons (Solemnace as an example).

Eating one void whale is worth over entire galaxies if not vastly more worth of biomass as they're bigger than Earth. Earthlike planets have about two trillion tons of biomass and a few quadrillion tons of water. Even with two hundred or even five hundred billion earthlike planets per galaxy, one void whale would have over six times the biomass. More conservative estimates of number of earthlike planets would mean one void whale could be worth hundreds of milky way galaxies.

If there were void whales in other galaxies, then the Tyranid swarm is much larger (by multiple orders of magnitude) than it would otherwise be. And eating one void whale would bloat a given hive fleet to apocalyptic proportions.

Well something tells me they're low on void whales, or they wouldn't expend so much biomass as they are in the current canon fighting races to absorb planets.

Imagine the Tyranids opening up a dialogue with the other races, "Okay look, just give us your VOID WHALES and we won't attack."

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
Well something tells me they're low on void whales, or they wouldn't expend so much biomass as they are in the current canon fighting races to absorb planets.

Imagine the Tyranids opening up a dialogue with the other races, "Okay look, just give us your VOID WHALES and we won't attack."

I imagine Void whales nope out of the area the moment they sense the oncoming of the shadow of the warp, while the Tyranids lock onto them with Narvhals while chasing them like dogs after a man covered in steak. Meanwhile benny hill plays in the void of space as the Tyranids chase after all that delicious biomass across the galaxy.

I wish I could say this was a troll thread, but I'm starting to think OP actually believes some of the tripe he's spouting here.

You know whats worse for the plot than an 'ultimate alliance' of space marines and tyranids?

Nothing. Nothing is worse. Even Grim Derpness is better than that.

 Dakkamite wrote:
I wish I could say this was a troll thread, but I'm starting to think OP actually believes some of the tripe he's spouting here.

You know whats worse for the plot than an 'ultimate alliance' of space marines and tyranids?

Nothing. Nothing is worse. Even Grim Derpness is better than that.

"Get that foul beast!"

*A tyranid stabs a Daemon prince to death*

"SCREE SCREE"

"Good show for the Emperor!"

*Screech Rawr*

"Quite right that heretic to the left needs shooting! *BLAM BLAM BLAM*"

"Rawr *screech* CRACKLE"

"Indeed my friend"

*Cue Draigo and the Swarmlord High Fiving*

Chaos threatens not just the species of the galaxy, but reality itself, the pitiful hordes of space bugsaurs are as nothing compared to that.
The Chaos Gods are the most powerful and deadly beings in the warp, so Gork and Mork can chew on them green apples.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!


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 Troike wrote:
Nah, Tyranids are the ultimate threat, IMO. They're the ones that would require a mass team-up.

Also, nothing to suggest that there's going to be a mass daemon invasion. If thet could do that, they would've done it already.

Tyranids are weak, they get squished like a bug, sure they can scare a few guardsmen but thats all they could do, cause terror to the mortal races. Against Chaos Tyranids are nothing., no matter how many they send, they are fighting something completely different than what they've been fighting. There is no proof in the fluff that shows tyranid beating a greater daemon/daemon prince. Against the supernatural, Tyranids are gonna get schooled hard. The Hive mind won't be able to understand Chaos no matter how hard it tries to evolve, Chaos is beyond its understanding. Tyranids may be a big threat but its still a mortal threat.


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 StarTrotter wrote:
And nids and necrons and orks if they finally united and possibly even the imperium if the Emperor somehow awoke again. Sadly, the more likely answer of the future of 40k is that we'll never get past the 41st millenia xD

Nids, Orks and Necrons are all mortal threats, in movies/series daemons/demons are always the main threat. Imagine a robot, a stupid green orc, and a alien bug fighting against a demon in any movie, yeah i don't think its gonna end well for them.

"Future of Warhammer 40k : Every faction needs to join forces in order to fight Chaos"

True

Will it happen?

No

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
"Future of Warhammer 40k : Every faction needs to join forces in order to fight Chaos"

True

Will it happen?

No

Thats cuz 40k will never become 41k

If worst comes tonworst the necrons will just hunt down the chaos gods and either enslave the tattered remains of their race or exterminate them and remove them from existence.

They have already done this to two races of gods what makes you think they won't be able to do it again? If worst comes to worst they can always reassemble the ctan shards for some hot god on god action

 Kain wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
More like they'd all need to unite in order to combat the main Tyranid force that's still on its way out in the void. Even Chaos would have a vested interest in saving the Galaxy from consumption - without emotional organisms, it can't exist nor indulge in eternal bloodlust and carnage if there's no one to wage war with. Chaos isn't as big a deal as Chaos players wish - otherwise that dummy wouldn't be on his 13th Crusade, and that's only his, let alone all the other failures.

The Tyranid entity is by far and away the greatest threat the galaxy has coming, because its plan is to wipe every planet bare, turn the galaxy into an enormous collection of barren rocks and then move on to the next galaxy. It cares not for political or religious sentiment, it has one purpose and it cannot be reasoned with. In the end, the final conflict would be Necrons and Tyranids, with the Necrons just chasing them out of the galaxy since Tyranids wouldn't pay attention to Necrons (Solemnace as an example).

Eating one void whale is worth over entire galaxies if not vastly more worth of biomass as they're bigger than Earth. Earthlike planets have about two trillion tons of biomass and a few quadrillion tons of water. Even with two hundred or even five hundred billion earthlike planets per galaxy, one void whale would have over six times the biomass. More conservative estimates of number of earthlike planets would mean one void whale could be worth hundreds of milky way galaxies.

If there were void whales in other galaxies, then the Tyranid swarm is much larger (by multiple orders of magnitude) than it would otherwise be. And eating one void whale would bloat a given hive fleet to apocalyptic proportions.

Ummmm... Void Whales aren't THAT big. Maybe you meant Void Whales are equivalent to several systems worth of biomass, but there's no way that one void whale is equivalent to several galaxies worth of biomass. They're only 12,000 miles long. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Whale#.Uc5QIvm1GLU

The Milky Way Galaxy (our's) is estimated to be between 100,000 to 120,000 light years in diameter. For ONE light year, you could line up around 500 million void whales head to tail.


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 A GumyBear wrote:
If worst comes tonworst the necrons will just hunt down the chaos gods and either enslave the tattered remains of their race or exterminate them and remove them from existence.

They have already done this to two races of gods what makes you think they won't be able to do it again? If worst comes to worst they can always reassemble the ctan shards for some hot god on god action

For God on God action, we already have Nurgle and Isha

My vote toward nids. Chaos has shown as much as himself as they will. They are unpredictable, and organized in nowhere near enough to organize a full deankmic scale attack intomrealspace. Tyrannies though on the other hand, have come out accomplished in tons and tons of times, lots of time resulting in exterminatous, and other equally decastating methods. Sometimes they don't even try to fight.

Just "oh sh** theirs a brood of gene stealers down their that woke from hibernation, that means theirs tyrannids o that planet! It's infested with x'nos! .... launch the nukes."

"what about the untold billions that live on the planet down on the surface?"

"just launch the nukes. Sometimes you got to make sacrifices."

Thats how I imagine it going at least.

Also Eldar destroy entire imiruim worlds just to deny biomass to the nids. Must be pretty potent.

Plaus we don't even know how many their are.

p.s I made this post really late at night where I am... And I'm tired. So don't be angry.
I'm just tired.

Every faction would need every other faction allied against it to defeat it. If all the necrons woke up, everyone would be needed to stop them but they wont wake up since beds are too comfortable. Same goes for all orks allying or the tyranids deciding it would be cool to finally arrive. Its just to make the whole galaxy seem like its constantly on a precipice ready to fall any way. Even if the IOM came out triumphant, all the loyalist sphess marines would just start pillaging as they realise the sole purpose to their existence is gone.

The exception to this of course are the declining eldar and the space communists. They'll never go anywhere.
Sisters of battle are probably the biggest threat due to them spreading their dogma of the imperial truth and the god emperor, when the imperium was meant to be found on secular principles which they've contorted. Wouldn't be surprised if their prayers lend strength to the chaos gods, and the big E just continues under his own juice. Some sort of mega trolling scheme by tzeentch. Thats why he's one of the more powerful chaos gods since he has a galaxy of indirect worship, and then khorne has all the bloodshed. FACT. Knock out the SOB, kill chaos but release resin miniatures first please.

 Kain wrote:
*Cue Draigo and the Swarmlord High Fiving*

*Remaining heretic aims a bolt pistol at the Swarmlord*

Draigo: "Noooooooo!" *leaps into the way, gets hit*

*Swarmlord kills the heretic, picks up Draigo in his claws*

Swarmlord: "Rawwwrr....rawwrrrr" *a single tear rolls down it's cheek*

On the upside, Draigo would be dead.

 Dakkamite wrote:

 Kain wrote:
*Cue Draigo and the Swarmlord High Fiving*

*Remaining heretic aims a bolt pistol at the Swarmlord*

Draigo: "Noooooooo!" *leaps into the way, gets hit*

*Swarmlord kills the heretic, picks up Draigo in his claws*

Swarmlord: "Rawwwrr....rawwrrrr" *a single tear rolls down it's cheek*

On the upside, Draigo would be dead.

Silly dakkamite, you forgot to see if it wounded let alone if draigo made his save

I can imagine the Imperium, Tau and Eldar fighting together quite easily. Orks, although they would probably not ally directly with the others, but would accept weapons and such as a bribery in order to not attack the others until the threat of chaos was over (but I think that chaos would get to them first to use as a weapon against the others). Necrons would probably be in the same sort of ring as the orks, but it would most likely the Eldar and Humans would be the ones to turn them down as allies, or not offer it in the first place. The tyranids are out of the question. There is no way in hell they would ever ally with anyone.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!

Fun fact #1: this galaxy is owned by orks.

Fun fact #2: the neighbouring galaxies are owned by orks.

Fan fact #3: ork worlds that have been invaded by deamons=0, deamon worlds that have been invaded by orks=7

Fun fact #4: during warp travel orks think deamons onboard are amusing past time.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
More like they'd all need to unite in order to combat the main Tyranid force that's still on its way out in the void. Even Chaos would have a vested interest in saving the Galaxy from consumption - without emotional organisms, it can't exist nor indulge in eternal bloodlust and carnage if there's no one to wage war with. Chaos isn't as big a deal as Chaos players wish - otherwise that dummy wouldn't be on his 13th Crusade, and that's only his, let alone all the other failures.

The Tyranid entity is by far and away the greatest threat the galaxy has coming, because its plan is to wipe every planet bare, turn the galaxy into an enormous collection of barren rocks and then move on to the next galaxy. It cares not for political or religious sentiment, it has one purpose and it cannot be reasoned with. In the end, the final conflict would be Necrons and Tyranids, with the Necrons just chasing them out of the galaxy since Tyranids wouldn't pay attention to Necrons (Solemnace as an example).

Eating one void whale is worth over entire galaxies if not vastly more worth of biomass as they're bigger than Earth. Earthlike planets have about two trillion tons of biomass and a few quadrillion tons of water. Even with two hundred or even five hundred billion earthlike planets per galaxy, one void whale would have over six times the biomass. More conservative estimates of number of earthlike planets would mean one void whale could be worth hundreds of milky way galaxies.

If there were void whales in other galaxies, then the Tyranid swarm is much larger (by multiple orders of magnitude) than it would otherwise be. And eating one void whale would bloat a given hive fleet to apocalyptic proportions.

Ummmm... Void Whales aren't THAT big. Maybe you meant Void Whales are equivalent to several systems worth of biomass, but there's no way that one void whale is equivalent to several galaxies worth of biomass. They're only 12,000 miles long. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Whale#.Uc5QIvm1GLU

The Milky Way Galaxy (our's) is estimated to be between 100,000 to 120,000 light years in diameter. For ONE light year, you could line up around 500 million void whales head to tail.


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 A GumyBear wrote:
If worst comes tonworst the necrons will just hunt down the chaos gods and either enslave the tattered remains of their race or exterminate them and remove them from existence.

They have already done this to two races of gods what makes you think they won't be able to do it again? If worst comes to worst they can always reassemble the ctan shards for some hot god on god action

For God on God action, we already have Nurgle and Isha

One milky way galaxy can have upwards of one sextillion tons (two trillion tons of biomass per planet times five hundred billion stars) of biomass assuming an impossibly generous "one earthlike planet per solar system" figure.

One void whale would weigh more than the earth, or six sextillion tons.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!

Fun fact #1: this galaxy is owned by orks.

Fun fact #2: the neighbouring galaxies are owned by orks.

Fan fact #3: ork worlds that have been invaded by deamons=0, deamon worlds that have been invaded by orks=7

Fun fact #4: during warp travel orks think deamons onboard are amusing past time.

1. The galaxy is populated by mostly orks, doesn't mean they own the galaxy.
2. numbers don't mean jack.
3. daemon worlds invaded by orks = dead orks.
4. orks think daemons onboard are amusing, good for them, they still die.


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 A GumyBear wrote:
If worst comes tonworst the necrons will just hunt down the chaos gods and either enslave the tattered remains of their race or exterminate them and remove them from existence.

They have already done this to two races of gods what makes you think they won't be able to do it again? If worst comes to worst they can always reassemble the ctan shards for some hot god on god action

Daemons outnumber Necrons infinite to 1, Necrons won't be able to understand Chaos. C'tans are nowhere near a Chaos God's power. I would say a powerful Greater daemon could take on a full powered c'tan. Pound for pound a average greater daemon would own any average c'tan shard.


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 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
More like they'd all need to unite in order to combat the main Tyranid force that's still on its way out in the void. Even Chaos would have a vested interest in saving the Galaxy from consumption - without emotional organisms, it can't exist nor indulge in eternal bloodlust and carnage if there's no one to wage war with. Chaos isn't as big a deal as Chaos players wish - otherwise that dummy wouldn't be on his 13th Crusade, and that's only his, let alone all the other failures.

The Tyranid entity is by far and away the greatest threat the galaxy has coming, because its plan is to wipe every planet bare, turn the galaxy into an enormous collection of barren rocks and then move on to the next galaxy. It cares not for political or religious sentiment, it has one purpose and it cannot be reasoned with. In the end, the final conflict would be Necrons and Tyranids, with the Necrons just chasing them out of the galaxy since Tyranids wouldn't pay attention to Necrons (Solemnace as an example).

The Tyranids are still a mortal threat and dies just like any living being. They could send as much as they want, they won't threaten the galaxy cause every race are doing good against them. The Hive Mind would lose its mind if it tries to understand Chaos. Tyranid could evolve all they want but they won't be able fight Chaos. They stand a better chance against necrons than chaos, necrons are still fightable at least for them. Ever played a rts game where one side has a group of really strong leveled up units while the other has a large army of weak first tier units? the one with the numbers are just gonna keep on dying no matter how many they're sending, this is what the tyranids are doing right now.

You're forgetting that Necrons figured out a way to cut off the Warp from Realspace.

Boom. Chaos is suddenly irrelevant.

 King Pariah wrote:
You're forgetting that Necrons figured out a way to cut off the Warp from Realspace.

Boom. Chaos is suddenly irrelevant.

We have no proof that this device would even work, and even if it does, chaos would try and stop it. And lets say even if it does work, that means Necrons are chickening out, can't handle being harassed and bullied by chaos.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
You're forgetting that Necrons figured out a way to cut off the Warp from Realspace.

Boom. Chaos is suddenly irrelevant.

We have no proof that this device would even work, and even if it does, chaos would try and stop it. And lets say even if it does work, that means Necrons are chickening out, can't handle being harassed and bullied by chaos.

Chickening out I suppose is one way of looking at it, specifically for people who believe in the abstract construct of honor. I'd think of it as eliminating competition thus more of the pie for me.

Actually the daemons won't be able to fight the crons most of the time due to the crons null field generators. A full powered C'tan would mop the floor any day with a greater daemon and won't even break a sweat doing it. What makes you think the necrons won't be able to understand a chaos gods power? They were able understand two races of gods and then destroy them. Also they are blanks so are immune to the corruption of chaos and so would be unable to travel into the warp without some mass null field installed to their cruisers to go headfirst into the EoT. The only way chaos would be able to fight crons would be to meet them on some non nullfielded planet(s) maybe even a couple galaxies somewhere outside of the Warp. Chaos may be infinite but if anything the crons can just starve them out by wiping the universe of life and waiting. Time is a weapon like any other if anything they can just wait for then to rot

 illuknisaa wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!

Fun fact #1: this galaxy is owned by orks.

Fun fact #2: the neighbouring galaxies are owned by orks.

Fan fact #3: ork worlds that have been invaded by deamons=0, deamon worlds that have been invaded by orks=7

Fun fact #4: during warp travel orks think deamons onboard are amusing past time.

#5 theres a world in the EoT where a Waaagh fights the same battle every single day for the amusement of Khorne.

I can play "fluff pick'n'mix" too.

MarsNZ wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:

 Kain wrote:
I doubt it.

Gork and Mork are already more powerful than all of the Chaos gods combined by a vast amount. If the four ever got uppity, they'd just give them a smack so hard even their worshippers would feel it. A blow of such ferocity that planets and stars would be torn asunder from the backlash and daemons would weep in fear and Orks would cry out in joy and everyone else would just get a headache.

Gorks and Morks are a joke compared to the Chaos Gods, Chaos Gods are the strongest and the people usually joke around when they say Gork/Mork are the strongest!!!!!

Fun fact #1: this galaxy is owned by orks.

Fun fact #2: the neighbouring galaxies are owned by orks.

Fan fact #3: ork worlds that have been invaded by deamons=0, deamon worlds that have been invaded by orks=7

Fun fact #4: during warp travel orks think deamons onboard are amusing past time.

#5 theres a world in the EoT where a Waaagh fights the same battle every single day for the amusement of Khorne.

I can play "fluff pick'n'mix" too.

And every battle the warboss crushes the DP's Gonads before he dies

So is this thread more or less a "my fluff is longer and harder than everyone else's"? I fail to see how this is background.