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So, tried out warptalons the other day, and a couple of questions came up:

Scenario is that they DS within 6" of a transport

1. Is the vehicle affected by the warpflame strike? Either no, as it doesn't have an I value, or automaticly, as it doesn't have an I value.

2. Are the passengers affected?

3. Do you test on the highest I in the unit, or majority?

Sincerely
Cale

I don't have any of the books to hand, so... please remind me what warpflame strike does!!

I can answer 2 and 3, though - to affect the transported unit, it would have to state as much. They're not on the table, so you can't use their bases for any kind of distance measurement and (if it's relevant) they can't be targeted either, since there's no line of sight.
You test on the highest Initiative - again I don't have the page handy, but it's very early on in the rulebook, under the section for Characteristic Tests.

Test highest, unit inside unaffected, and I think in the BRB FAQ says if no "I" value than unaffected.

1. Unaffected

2. No

3. Highest.

As the passengers are a unit within 6" h
(measuring to embarked units, page 79 or so?) they would be affected, something about blind or the talons special rule says otherwise

nosferatu1001 wrote:
As the passengers are a unit within 6" (measuring to embarked units, page 79 or so?) they would be affected

This doesn't exist... you're given instructions on how to measure from Fire Points to make shooting attacks, and area effect bubbles are specifically FAQed to work from the hull. But those are specific examples and using the embarked unit as the source, not the target.

The vehicle and the embarked unit are still two separate units, so to measure to the latter you need to check the distance specifically from their bases (Measuring Distances, page 4) - which of course, you cannot do.

 Super Ready wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
As the passengers are a unit within 6" (measuring to embarked units, page 79 or so?) they would be affected

This doesn't exist... you're given instructions on how to measure from Fire Points to make shooting attacks, and area effect bubbles are specifically FAQed to work from the hull. But those are specific examples and using the embarked unit as the source, not the target.

The vehicle and the embarked unit are still two separate units, so to measure to the latter you need to check the distance specifically from their bases (Measuring Distances, page 4) - which of course, you cannot do.

You really should read page 78.

BRB Page 78 wrote:If the players need to measure a range involving the embarked unit (except for its shooting), this range is measured to or from the vehicle's hull.

Which ignores all the precedents of special abilities not affecting embarked passengers. How does one hit an embarked unit with a weapon ?

Huh... thanks Rigeld! And apologies Nos. Not sure how I a) missed that earlier and b) didn't already know it...
In which case I see nothing stopping Warpflame strike from affecting embarked units.

Fragile wrote:
Which ignores all the precedents of special abilities not affecting embarked passengers.

Like SITW, oh wait...

Fragile wrote:
Which ignores all the precedents of special abilities not affecting embarked passengers. How does one hit an embarked unit with a weapon ?

SitW, for one

Because this rule says they are hit? Find a rule against it. Until FAQ'd otherwise, if at all, this is RAW correct

 Super Ready wrote:
Huh... thanks Rigeld! And apologies Nos. Not sure how I a) missed that earlier and b) didn't already know it...
In which case I see nothing stopping Warpflame strike from affecting embarked units.

By this logic the GK Calidus Assassin can use Polymorphine to affect embarked units, then use its NS to affect them again.

I'll put it this way. If the models are not on the board whether in a transport or in reserve there is no way to harm them, other than to explode the transport unit, unless specifically stated that said Special Rule can affect units in transports.

Gets Hot! on an embarked unit. Tried that one?

You dont actually have ay rules to back up your position, so will assume you are breaking the tenets and are instead making a "HYWPI" argument.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Gets Hot! on an embarked unit. Tried that one?

You dont actually have ay rules to back up your position, so will assume you are breaking the tenets and are instead making a "HYWPI" argument.

was not sure if you were referring to my comment. If you were not then

If you were, I was referring to the fact that other than a Special rule like "Gets Hot" which effects the unit inside, as the unit is causing an action that can wound itself, and is caused by using a weapon with the "Gets Hot" Special Rule, I have yet to find an attack that allows a player to target both the Transport and the unit inside at the same time with one attack.

If you could target both the unit and the transport then All blast/template weapons would require not only penning roll's but also wounding rolls.

I'll put it this way can you draw LOS to the embarked unit inside a transport in any, way, shape, or form so that wound allocation can occur?

Just wondering.

You generally can not target a unit inside a transport as they are out of Line of Sight.

However Aura's work as per the Measure from the Hull as quoted earlier.

So if you have an Item that gives FNP to all units within 6 inches, and a Rhino is within 6 inches and has 2 Plasma gun Marines inside, if one of the Plasma guns overheats and the armor save is failed you would be able to take a FNP roll because you measure to the Hull to find out if the unit in the transport is within 6 inches of the item that gives FNP.

 DeathReaper wrote:
You generally can not target a unit inside a transport as they are out of Line of Sight.

Luckily warpflame strike does not mention targets or even requiring line of sight!

WangoFett wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You generally can not target a unit inside a transport as they are out of Line of Sight.

Luckily warpflame strike does not mention targets or even requiring line of sight!

I was simply answering BLADERIKER's question.

Bladeriker - you made a couple of statements that had no rules backing. Namely a special rule (Gets Hot!) CAN affect a unit in a transport without specifically stating it can. You said this couldnt happen.

This aura does not target, and so RAW certainly CAN affect units inside a transport, unless a change to the rules is made via FAQ