"Farsight - Tau supplement" - released, discussion starts pg 8, new rumours on pg. 22

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**chaos0xomega**

If nothing else, the booknsounds like it will be a good excusento convert up some new crisis suits

**Sidstyler**

Melchiour wrote:
Some of this are things I expected but some seem insane. Like the rapid fire Heavy rail rifle.

"Insane"?...more like "Wow that might actually be worth using now!"

The heavy rail rifle needed two shots to begin with. As it is there's really no point in taking it, it got nerfed so hard. Hell, just giving it rapid fire might not even be enough to fix it because you still only get 30" range, if I'm not mistaken. I like that they gave it a submunition too, even if it is kinda gakky.

Noctem wrote:
Hmm those all would be awesome, but seems a little OP!

I don't see how anything in there is "OP", honestly.

**SickSix**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11267302-codex-o-shovah-fotos-y-rumores-a-dia-14/#103079772

1 - FOC Changes: *If Farsight is included in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord

*Crises Suits are now Troops choices

*Cannot take Ethereals (special character or normal) or Shadowsun, but Fireblades are now Elite choices and can be taken 1-3 per slot

2 - Special Issue Wargear (can choose from this list or the original Tau list, but not both):

*Seismic Fibrillator Node -- One use only. Reduces target unit's moving, running/flat out moves, assault moves, and jet pack/jet bike moves in the assault phase by 3".

*Fusion Blades -- User's close combat attacks become S8 AP1 Melta, Unwieldy

*Advanced Jump Accelerator -- Replace Battlesuit's Jetpack, granting it a 9" move in movement phase and 3D6" in the assault phase.

*High Yield Shield Generator -- Grants user a 3++ Invulnerable save

*Advanced Markerlight Pod -- Battlesuit gear that, if it hits, grants two markerlight hits (these can be used by the Battlesuit and his unit, like a networked markerlght)

*Advanced Railrifle -- Solid Shot: S8 AP1 Rapid Fire, 60" or Submunition: S4 AP4 Large Blast, 60"

*Integrated Defense Matrix Node -- One use only. All friendly Codex: Tau Empire units within 18" of the user may overwatch at full BS for a single turn

3 - Special Rules: *All units with the option to take Bonding Knife Ritual get the upgrade for free *Unconventional Doctrine -- All Crises Battlesuits, Tau Commanders, Crises Bodyguard, and Farsight himself exchange the Supporting Fire special rule with the Rage and Furious Charge USRs.

If this is true, can you imagine what the Farsight Bomb will be like?

I have 14 battle suits with magnetized arms and the old Farsight model. Not to mention about 60 firewarrior models.

I think I will be purchasing this when hardcopy is released.

**WarOne**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Someone said on Warseer that the hardcopy was being held back to October, no idea how accurate that is and/or why. Seems to make little sense to me if correct.

Perhaps to build enough copies for ordering.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

Actually I like the idea of doing a Farsight Enclave and not using Farsight. Opens up alot of possibilities for fluff and character creation.

**Melchiour**

Quick question. Looking at the images shown in that article it looks like they have riptide named O'Vesa. A possible character riptide?

**chaos0xomega**

Sidstyler wrote:
Melchiour wrote:
Some of this are things I expected but some seem insane. Like the rapid fire Heavy rail rifle.

"Insane"?...more like "Wow that might actually be worth using now!"

The heavy rail rifle needed two shots to begin with. As it is there's really no point in taking it, it got nerfed so hard. Hell, just giving it rapid fire might not even be enough to fix it because you still only get 30" range, if I'm not mistaken. I like that they gave it a submunition too, even if it is kinda gakky.

Noctem wrote:
Hmm those all would be awesome, but seems a little OP!

I don't see how anything in there is "OP", honestly.

You do realize the rifle along w the rest of the wargear is one per army right? You can get all excited by the new one but its only going ti be one suit that gets it, not going to really do anything to change the situation.

**davou**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Melchiour wrote:
Some of this are things I expected but some seem insane. Like the rapid fire Heavy rail rifle.

"Insane"?...more like "Wow that might actually be worth using now!"

The heavy rail rifle needed two shots to begin with. As it is there's really no point in taking it, it got nerfed so hard. Hell, just giving it rapid fire might not even be enough to fix it because you still only get 30" range, if I'm not mistaken. I like that they gave it a submunition too, even if it is kinda gakky.

Noctem wrote:
Hmm those all would be awesome, but seems a little OP!

I don't see how anything in there is "OP", honestly.

You do realize the rifle along w the rest of the wargear is one per army right? You can get all excited by the new one but its only going ti be one suit that gets it, not going to really do anything to change the situation.

Yup, and not worth giving up iridium for.

**Micky**

So they'll have Rage and Furious Charge... for what, 4 S6 attacks on the charge?

Great.

But they're still WS2, I'll bet.

**Sidstyler**

chaos0xomega wrote:
You do realize the rifle along w the rest of the wargear is one per army right? You can get all excited by the new one but its only going ti be one suit that gets it, not going to really do anything to change the situation.

No I didn't. So that makes the cries of "omg OP!" even more ridiculous then.

**pantsonhead**

Someone posted exactly these rules as explicit wishlisting on 3plusplus:
http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/07/farsight-supplement-tau-codex/#comment-59279

Wishlisting here, have to see what really comes in the Suppliment, but if I could have my druthers:

1 – FOC Changes:
*If Farsight is included in your primary detachment, he must be your Warlord
*Crises Suits are now Troops choices
*Cannot take Ethereals (special character or normal) or Shadowsun, but Fireblades are now Elite choices and can be taken 1-3 per slot

2 – Special Issue Wargear (can choose from this list or the original Tau list, but not both):
*Seismic Fibrillator Node — One use only. Reduces target unit's moving, running/flat out moves, assault moves, and jet pack/jet bike moves in the assault phase by 3".
*Fusion Blades — User's close combat attacks become S8 AP1 Melta, Unwieldy
*Advanced Jump Accelerator — Replace Battlesuit's Jetpack, granting it a 9" move in movement phase and 3D6" in the assault phase.
*High Yield Shield Generator — Grants user a 3++ Invulnerable save
*Advanced Markerlight Pod — Battlesuit gear that, if it hits, grants two markerlight hits (these can be used by the Battlesuit and his unit, like a networked markerlght)
*Advanced Railrifle — Solid Shot: S8 AP1 Rapid Fire, 60" or Submunition: S4 AP4 Large Blast, 60"
*Integrated Defense Matrix Node — One use only. All friendly Codex: Tau Empire units within 18" of the user may overwatch at full BS for a single turn

See MRC's comment.

**tuiman**

All new Cities of Death stratagems exclusive in codex:Farsight?

Didn't think anybody played that anymore

**Sidstyler**

They don't, but GW wants to keep up the illusion that it still supports older products, and maybe has a few vain hopes that people will still buy them.

Also, I just found out one of my favorite artists on deviantArt is responsible for the cover art: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Games-Workshop-Codex-Farsight-Enclaves-385501669

**Lucarikx**

Wow, it was that artist!

To bad those "rules" were just wishlisting. T_T

Lucarikx

**MechaBeast**

Damn it, i thought i was done buying crisis suits.

**Rainbow Dash**

so they're bringing back supplements, but worse and more inconvenient

**Chaplain Pallantide**

Edit - nevermind didn't see that the rules were a wishlist! My bad for not reading as thoroughly as I should have

**warboss**

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:
I just don't understand why these optional rules couldn't have been included in the main rule book? Seriously, why not have battlesuit commanders unlock crisis suits as troops? They would have made much more money moving suits to troops and freeing up the elite slots for people to take multiple Riptides...GW never ceases to amaze me.

Because then they wouldn't be able to sell you a supplement to the codex that is priced more than an old softcover codex with 1/10 the rules content.

**Mr.Church13**

Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

**Rainbow Dash**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

back in the day they didn't haven fluff and stuff, keeping the books smaller and thus cheaper.
You read books if you wanted fluff...
less then, about 20 pages in a codex is actually useful
back in the day that's usually around how many they had, not 100
I don't need all that extra crap and a 60 dollar price tag, there's rulebooks for other miniature games that cost less then that

**warboss**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

And that's your right as a consumer and fellow dakkite to have a different *opinion* but getting cranky about it and suggesting wild and frankly stupid suggestions/scenarios is pointless. I personally buy rulebooks for rules... the fluff is the icing on the cake but not the actual cake. I'm not forgetting the stories but rather relegate them to a much lower priority for justifying the price. For me, paying that much for 2 pages of rules (in the Iyanden case) is about as enticing as getting a spoon full of cake slathered in a cup of icing.

**stonefox**

I'm not familiar with iPads but I have a friend who has one. Is it difficult to hook it up to a printer and make a print version?

It's me. I'm the 20-something y.o. grandpa who uses an iPhone but the iPad is way too technological for me.

I'm really happy about the all-suit army though. After coming back from my hiatus I found my old stash and apparently there were more suits than I thought. Looks like at least one of each FW suit, 20 in all, plus another 20 regular suits. All unassembled, but at least that means I can convert them into what I need.

**BryllCream**

So...those weren't the actual rules?

**Clunker**

As good as they sounded, they were stated as just being "Wishlisting" by the person who originally posted them.

**Slayer le boucher**

Yeah, while on he Ebbok images that you can see on the web there is mentions of Earth cast Array, Sismic Fibrillator Nod and Fusion blades, those i posted where actually wishlist from someone on 3++ blog...

i was mislead because i found those on a spanish forum...

**ZebioLizard2**

Rainbow Dash wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

back in the day they didn't haven fluff and stuff, keeping the books smaller and thus cheaper.
You read books if you wanted fluff...
less then, about 20 pages in a codex is actually useful
back in the day that's usually around how many they had, not 100
I don't need all that extra crap and a 60 dollar price tag, there's rulebooks for other miniature games that cost less then that

That was third edition, and it was honestly crap.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

No word on a possible print version yet? Geez GW, I want to give YOU my money, not Apple!

**ashikenshin**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
No word on a possible print version yet? Geez GW, I want to give YOU my money, not Apple!

I think october for the printed version.

**MechaBeast**

http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/blogipadprintingbig2.jpg

Does this help?

**UltraPrime**

MechaBeast wrote:
http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/blogipadprintingbig2.jpg

Does this help?

Fantastic. Made me laugh!