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I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.
   
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Given this trend I wonder if Tyranids will ever get an extra Tyranid book to ally with.

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pantsonhead wrote:
I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.


Na man, you'd get crisis troops, Second best psychick defence in the game, protection from riptide Burnout, IC riptide, and a chance at having two multuspec suites in a single list.


It has to have been worded this way to prevent all those benefits from being taken without some kind of opportunity cost.


Sides, tau are almost the only army who suffer diminishing returns when taking allies, since those allies don't get to make use of markerlights. This also mitigates that weakness.


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Went ahead and made a YMTC thread rather than keep derailing in here, it includes the farsight question, the markerlights question and the army dispute. If anyone finds one I've forgot please toss it in and I'll edit the top post.

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The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.

 
   
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Updated Epub/Mobi for download. It takes out the double negative for Aun'va/Shadowsun and fixes the copy paste for Bravestorm.

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Updated Epub/Mobi for download. It takes out the double negative for Aun'va/Shadowsun and fixes the copy paste for Bravestorm.


Did they edit the wording for the command squad at all?
   
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No, I sent a reply email to the guy who replied to my complaint in digital about that and the word army instead of detachment used throughout the Army of the Farsight Enclave page. Since he's the one that told me they had updated the formating and fixed the appendix I figured there is a chance that simple typos could be fixed. I wouldn't expect the Farsight entry to be fixed any time soon but I had to try

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 davou wrote:
valace2 wrote:
davou wrote: Id argue no shadowsun or aunva ever.

Do ghazzy or yarrick have any rules about each other, or just fluff?


No just used them to show the difference between what constitutes an army. If the Imp Guard is the primary detachment and the Orks are the secondary allied detachment you would have to say its an Imp Guard Army.

If standard Tau are my primary and the Enclave forces are my secondary allied detachment you would have to say it is a standard Tau force and not an Enclave army.

The wording in the supplement is thus...

A Farsight Enclaves army cannot not include Aun'Va or Commander Shadowsun.


Why have the restriction at all if you can go ahead and bypass it immediately and with no drawbacks whatsoever?


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"If you wish,your army can include one allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army (normally one,"
-Page 109

Please also explain this; how can an army include detachments if those detatchments are armies?


No drawbacks at all? Ask someone who has to pay for a primaris psyker or company command squad if there are no drawbacks to getting Vendettas in their force.

From a fluff standpoint can you honestly say farsight and shadowsun would be less likely to fight a common foe that Ghaz or Yarrick?

From a rules standpoint it doesn't say in Codex: Tau Empire that you can't have Farsight and Shadowsun in the same force. Only in the enclave army section does it place a limit on Shadowsun being included in an Enclave army.

If it is automatically considered an Enclave army will those units who have preferred enemy Orks get bonuses against any Orks and their allies because obviously if Orks are included they all would have to be Orks, because it is an Ork army.



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pantsonhead wrote:
I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.


How in the world do you get that? What part of battle brothers do you not get? Why would they even bother to state point blank that Enclave forces can all as Battle Brothers with other Tau.

If anything they should have made them allies of Convenience or maybe Desperate Allies.

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I made a post for this in YMDC; Id happilly argue with your there, but I'm trying to not derail the rumor post.

ERJAK wrote:


The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.

 
   
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 davou wrote:
I made a post for this in YMDC; Id happilly argue with your there, but I'm trying to not derail the rumor post.

I lol'd this was pass due by about 5 post.



On topic: It appears they fixed a majority of the errors. It even appears they cleaned up the commanders paragraph a little bit.

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Does it actually work now?


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@Tombking

The only issues left are the use ot the word "Army" instead of "Detachment" throughout the army page and the commander paragraph (which didn't change as far as I could see).

The first is for consistancy and to quell people who argue against the common way 40k works regarding the word "army". The other is needed badly even though I've started lean that Farsight is required to use the commanders.

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Doubt it, GW are not very good at writing texts that can be read, or even analyzed by experts.

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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I was waiting to buy this until they fixed the wording for command team. Is it cleared up now?
   
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Yes, it says When choosing a Farsight Enclaves army with Commander Farsight as its Warlord, you may take Farsight’s Commander Team instead of Farsight’s XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team."

seems to be you need farsight to unlock the team.

ERJAK wrote:


The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.

 
   
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Is that the IPAD or the digital?

I ask because I downloaded the digital this morning and the wording hadn't changed yet for the digital version.

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Digital, just downloaded it

ERJAK wrote:


The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.

 
   
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They just updated both, Brad. Farsight as requisite was indeed intended; actually arguably got more restrictive, as he must also now be your warlord.
   
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Glad they updated it. I'll download when I get home. Anybody see if they switched the word "army" to detachment?

And now if only they'd come up with a way to notify people who purchased they have updated the file....Oh well, baby steps

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They did not.
   
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Interesting to see, if the print version will include those corrections or not.

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Honestly, I'm hoping they are using the digital versions as a testbed for properly printed and clear books. If it's truly 3 months away they could still have time to make these kinds of changes to the file while they wait for the print run.

Considering they have updated the standard Digital one twice already, clarifying and fixing items both times it's at least plausible.

I'm just glad that they update the standard digital to even if we don't have a notification that it's been updated

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There was an update on the Eldar codex for Ipad (it shows NEW on my library) but I see no change on the Farsight book.

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My guess is that the change for the Ipad version is in the works. Apple doesn't usually allow for quick changes to products they carry as it has to go through some kind of screening process. A lot of games in the itunes store, for example, might have a glitch from an update that makes them unplayable, but Apple still makes the company wait a week or more sometimes before they let the fix through.

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Hidden in the Black Templar thread but worth reposting here:
Anonymous source on faeit212, probably Stickmonkey wrote:Tau Mercs

another Tau Supplement is in the works, it lines up with a few other rumours I've heard about the Tau before it was released to the world. Vespid and Kroot HQ choices, and the ability to play a non "Tau" Lists.

Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:I have a little more on the Tau mercs supplement.

First, I was told this wasnt planned be out til Q1.

Second, I was told that either this or one of the eldar supplements would be the first with a model wave to go along with it. I wasnt told which models or which eldar supplement.

warning: what follows is my speculation

My best guesses are a plastic pack kroot hq, which I saw in design before. This would be a slightly bigger kroot than the current troops. Had a tau rifle, not a kroot gun. A bit more armor than a standard kroot. Standing on a rock in a "crossing the Delaware" pose. Caveat that this was still in CAD, lots can change, and it was last fall.

Also a vespid plastic kit thats been ready for a while.

My eldar guess would be the first round of the plastic aspects with beil-tan.

When the tau dex was released I went back to my sources about the allied races not getting support after seeing so much studio work on them, and this was eventually what I was told.


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Farsight enclave now has to be primary to access the command team. That is the only way Farsight can be the warlord.

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Finally got my hands on it, and I must say, I'm much more impressed with this than Iyanden. The fluff was well written; Farsight seems impressive, brilliant and powerful, but not bombastically so, he knows defeat, failure, and hardship. If our Spiritual Liege is indeed the author, I'm even more impressed.

Not worth the price tag, mind you, but still solid quality. Maybe ten bucks less and I'd feel more confident in my purchase.

The command team is also amusing. Continuing the oft-blatant Japanese theme of the Tau, they're effectively the Seven Samurai, except there's 9 of them. No matter, for the list I put together tentatively uses 7 total (don't much care for riptides, and the broadside didn't much appeal to me). Rules wise, they seem decisively powerful, with access to gear you wouldn't be able to field in such quantities normally, or easily. I thought a normal farsight bomb was deadly, this is a whole different beast.

Honestly, these guys may end up as my next army project, likely get them started with any windfall money and the like as a break from the hundreds of Krieg I have to build and paint.

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So no more adding a quick Farsight detachment to get 2 riptides. Seems fair. I still think you'll see lots of Tau players taking Farsight allies just to get scoring suits with a minimal tax (6 pts for 2 squads-- any you get heroic morale and ork hunters for that) plus some extra elite/FA/HS slots. I guess it's balanced, though, since it precludes you taking counter assault units and fast durable stuff like Eldar jetbikes.
   
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Added the new rumours to the first post - would be exciting to see a supplement that actually made Vespids usefull

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Kroot Mercs!! I had more fun with that army than any others...and rarely won a game hehe. Keeping my fingers crossed for that!!

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I still think I'll end up building models of all the different commanders and just use them in a friendly game for lulz or whatever.

So many games, so little time.

So many models, even less time.

Screw it, Netflix and chill. 
   
 
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