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There's a few issues with that though.
The Inquisition may not particularly care they may even agree with the idea that the SW were attacked illegally (If there is such a thing) and the Inquisitor deserved what he got. There is also a fairly big issue of actual authority since most SM claim they serve the Emperor before they serve anyone else which implies they are under no authority but the Emperor. On the other hand the Inquisition claim they are the Emperor's judgement...
It's a bit of a problem but varying chapters have their own way of sorting it. Frankly barring major problems the Inquisition should be clever enough to play SM to get them to do what they want...


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 DarthMarko wrote:
And despite punches to GK, EC, RH, and the "I" Logan (Creeds drinking buddy) is still elected as commander of imperial forces against Abby's 13th pink crusade.....

This tells you something....

SM usually elect a supreme commander based on who is best (And sometimes connections)
Grimnar was elected supreme commander of the SM forces against the 13th black crusade because he has around 700 years of fighting chaos under his power armoured belt due to Fenris being so close to the EoT. Even among the SM that's a lot of experience.

cadbren wrote:
There should be a model for Vladimir Pugh. I suspect yellow hate as the Fists tend to get left out of things in favour of their offshoots.

Has to be Calgar though. He is basically a mini Guilliman and runs a mini empire as well as his chapter.

Fists get left out? Lysander gets lots of love, think of the poor Iron Hands who need FW to introduce a character for them. All the Iron Hands have in the codex is a quote from their chapter master jacking off over razorbacks

Ceann Fine wrote:

cadbren wrote:
There should be a model for Vladimir Pugh. I suspect yellow hate as the Fists tend to get left out of things in favour of their offshoots.

Has to be Calgar though. He is basically a mini Guilliman and runs a mini empire as well as his chapter.

Fists get left out? Lysander gets lots of love, think of the poor Iron Hands who need FW to introduce a character for them. All the Iron Hands have in the codex is a quote from their chapter master jacking off over razorbacks

Fists do get left out while IH get ignored....


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 Deadshot wrote:
Exactly, I agree with you. The First Founding staus makes it too risky but the fact remains they performed an act of treason against the Inquisition, who are the Right Hand ofthe Emperor. Just because no one cared or did anything about it doesn't mean he didn't do it.


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 DarthMarko wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
They get away with it because they are first founding yes. That's the only reason. Still don't like it. Fighting the system SHOULD get you punished. The Imperium isn't a democracy, nor socialist or communst. Do as you're told or suffer the consequences. That is how the Imperium works. And only the Inquisition are above the Law.

Dude, we are talking about GW, besides remember Kyras the Khorne librarian ? If this isn't a reason for purge I don't know what is......

Just because Khorne destests psykers doesn't mean he won't use them as long as they bring blood and skulls.

I'm talking about how chapter master ( + half of SM ) went c-style....Nevermind that crappy fluff....

Wow, 4 pages of this and no mention of Gabriel Seth?

The man leads a chapter of raving lunatics to great affect! And he doesn't need ornate armor or a sparkly weapon.

He charges straight first into battle with a giant ass chainsword of awesomness!!! If you slip up in battle he'll curb stomp you in the face and can take out whole hoards by himself!

In all serious though the best in my opinion is Sarpedon. Gabriel and Gabriel are tied for second

We are talking about greatest chapter master not who is the most crazy

Beside we had Moloc mentioned....

Sarpedon :-) ??? hmmm so much questions...

I like Sarpedon...
Not the greatest but certainly a bit of a G

I thought I'd add in some more variety to stir the pot!

Logan, for reminding the Inquisition who is the real Emporer's Executioner.

 purplefood wrote:
The Inquisition is noted for it's factions being at war with each other in some cases.
Just because the SW fought one Inquisitor doesn't mean they are wholly against the Inquisition. It's more than likely they have many allies within the Inquisition.

As I recall that was exactly the case with the Armageddon incident - Logan Grimnar argued with one inquisitor who tried to pull rank on him with threats while several of the other inquisitors present were already thinking of getting rid of the guy arguing with Grimnar.

Logan Grimnar all the way he's the only chapter master that can flip off the inquisition and then get them to apologies for it. Also he's willing to look out for the common man and wont assign them to execution just to keep secrets.

One of the inquisitors in the Emperor's Gift was even a native Fenrisian. ...needless to say, he sided with the Space Wolves in that post-Armegeddon conflict.

Space Wolves are admittingly kinda Mary-Sue-ish compared to any chapter besides the Ultramarines. Blood Angels have The Flaw (which is aptly and perhaps purposefully named, since it's a flaw that REALLY REALLYdevstates what otherwise would have also been a Mary-Sue chapter) while Black Templars' fanatcism isn't always portrayed as a good thing (they hate ALL psykers and are kinda frothing zealous maniacs to a degree). Also, they have high numbers, but they also DIE in high numbers due to their crusading all the time.

While Space Wolves are perhaps the 2nd most Mary-Sue-ish chapter, I think most Warhammer 40k fans can overlook this because they're kinda the "everyman" Mary Sue. It's easy to emphasize with them because they're kinda like, a layman's Marine. They drink booze, they're gruff and dirty and unkempt, they sympathize with the humble folk, while also being dutiful and loyal... these sorts of traits can really appeal to your average human being (and, as expected, most of these traits are shared by dogs and these traits make dogs popular, too). Ultramarines actually have a lot of those traits too with the exception of the gruffness, but that makes them come across as a bit too white color/nobility-ish than the more down-to-earth Space Wolves (and then there's their Codex....).

Even the Ultramarines occasionaly lose battles though. The only Space Wolf loss I can remember on the top of my head is that one Strike Cruiser that got boarded during the Badab War.

As for more minor chapter masters of non first founding chapters; Gabriel Angelos, Asterion Moloc, and Marshall Helbrecht are also all great men.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Even the Ultramarines occasionaly lose battles though. The only Space Wolf loss I can remember on the top of my head is that one Strike Cruiser that got boarded during the Badab War.

There aren't many codeci that detail lots of horrendous losses.
Even defeats are told in a relatively good light such as 'lost but withdrew in good order' and the like.
I imagine for most Space Marine chapters having an entire strike force getting wiped out is something that doesn't happen every other day...

Well, the Space Wolves DO have genetic mutation and the whole matter of the Wulfen counting against them. Not to mention their only successor Chapter went full rogue - doesn't look good on the ol' record. These are of course minor stains on an otherwise exemplary record of kicking butt... so while they're not as flawed as others it's fair to say they're not completely flawless.

I think the biggest problem is that when other armies lose battles in other Codexes, it's always "the Orks" or "the Eldar", and while there's some no-name commander involved, we still associate it to the race. But when it's the reverse, and say, the Scythes of the Emperor or the Crimson Fists get humiliatingly drubbed... well that's nothing to do with our beloved Space Wolves/Ultramarines now is it...?

Sometimes they get some no name commander of big SM codex but it's rare...

Frankly, SW are likable to me because, well, who doesn't like a good dog?

 purplefood wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Even the Ultramarines occasionaly lose battles though. The only Space Wolf loss I can remember on the top of my head is that one Strike Cruiser that got boarded during the Badab War.

There aren't many codeci that detail lots of horrendous losses.
Even defeats are told in a relatively good light such as 'lost but withdrew in good order' and the like.
I imagine for most Space Marine chapters having an entire strike force getting wiped out is something that doesn't happen every other day...

Templars take horrendous losses in almost half the battles in their Codex (not to mention the lovely fight against Imhotekh in the Necron Codex...), Ultramarines lose their entire First Company, Blood Angels are reduced to 40 Marines and the worst thing that happens to the Space Wolves is that they lose a Strike Cruiser. See where I'm coming from?

Marneus Augustus Calgar, Lord Macragge, the current Chapter Master of the Ultramarines is undeniably the greatest current Chapter Master.

This is undeniable because he's Matt Ward's favorite, and therefore will be written in as the best, regardless of whether it makes sense or is a popular notion.

Gabriel Angelos. The man is the Angel of Death incarnate.

Vote for Pedro.

 Daba wrote:
Vote for Pedro.

I will give guido some credit, he did come around from being a jerk after a while. The lady and her kids who struggled to keep up with the Marines springs to mind. Pedro thought they would slow his men down, but she kept up, carrying her children the whole way. She finally collapsed, only for Pedro to, in turn, carry her.

I changed my mind.

Jaric Phoros. Cause why not?

Nimrod Grudge

My first thought was Dante.

Although the likes of Logan Grimnar or Marneus Calgar clearly got skills, something's got to be said for leading a Chapter for 1100 years.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Nimrod Grudge

You basket! I had to look that one up!
They come from Birmingham - the dark planet...

Marneus Calgar or Dante. Admittedly those are both in my top five favourite chapters so I might be a little bit biased

Grimnar or Tu Shan

Draigo.

Or doesn't he count?

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
Draigo.

Or doesn't he count?

He's a daemon not a space marine so doesn't count. Not to say he isn't on the emperors side but he is a daemon none the less. Plus GK don't really have "chapter masters" in the sense that this thread is about.