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Vastly subjective and ill-defined. To my knowledge, the definition of 'greatest' is fairly hard to pin down in a mutually agreeable manner and it just usually ends up being a "what's your favorite Chapter?" argument.

That said, I'm going to throw in a vote for Gabriel Angelos while we're on the subject.

 Orblivion wrote:

gilamonster wrote:
I am suprised that no one has said helbrecht though

Helbrecht is pretty awesome, but he just doesn't match up to the other big names.

Helbrecht is a joke, any chapter master that can get beat to a pulp and lose his hand to a robot with a glove on fire deserves to be near the bottom. He even ran away from the battle instead of just flailing aimlessly like the normal space marine method of combat of never fleeing and always trying to kill everybody.

Don't yell at me if some of the stuff in their was wrong all I know about spehs mareens is from what popped up in my cron dex and the page I read about shrike in the smurf dex


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Oh and pedro kantor

Go space mexicans!

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 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
Draigo.

Or doesn't he count?

He's a daemon not a space marine so doesn't count. Not to say he isn't on the emperors side but he is a daemon none the less. Plus GK don't really have "chapter masters" in the sense that this thread is about.

Ignore this, he counts, he's not a Daemon as far as official fluff goes.

As to whther GK have Masters, that can be debated. Lexicanum lists both Grand Masters and Supreme Grand Master Kaldor Draigo as "Masters of the Chapter." Personally I think as them all as Chapter Masters but that's just me. Draigo most certainly is "Chapter Master" (Chapter Lord as the official title) and has complete dominion over the chapter and its actions.

Yeah but how much Chapter Master'ing he actually does is debatable; considering he spends his past time in the warp, rather than actually with/overseeing his Chapter.

A valid point, but just because he doesn't do anything other than wander the warp, doesn't mean his rank is invalid.

What I want to know is whether someone took over from Draigo when he was lost and what happened to the replacement when Draigo was discovered to be alive? Was everyone who was promoted, demoted again?

Main issue about Kaldor Draigo's greatness is his ability to actually be a chapter master that leads his chapter is unknown, since I highly doubt he does much chapter mastering while in the warp (and he's only in real space for mere moments at a time).

TiamatRoar wrote:
Main issue about Kaldor Draigo's greatness is his ability to actually be a chapter master that leads his chapter is unknown, since I highly doubt he does much chapter mastering while in the warp (and he's only in real space for mere moments at a time).

Isn't that the point I just made two posts above?

And its for that reason I'd consider Dante/Calgar/Grimnar et al. to be greater Chapter Masters.

Zachariah Kersh of the Excoriators.......if anyone's ever heard of him.