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So, I'm looking at different ways to expand my Infinity collection without expanding into other factions, mostly because Infinity is fairly unique amongst wargames where every race gets the 'Space Marine' treatment (mutliple alternate lists via Sectorials). In order to get enthusiasm going I've decided to make a thread about where these musings take me.

First up, I've been looking at Hassassin Bahram. I've seen plenty of griping about how they're underpowered and hard to play compared to other sectorials. That's not a drawback, that's a challenge! So first up, I regardless of the sanity of the idea, I'm basing this completely around Hassassin. I know I should be trying to fit some cheerleaders in there, and Hassassin don't really have them, but I just want a full army of these badasses. They were one of the main draws to Haqqislam for me, afterall. A list that's all about special forces. Preliminary list is looking like this:

Ragik Hacker
Muyib Rifle/Light Grenade Launcher
Muyib Spitfire
Muyib Heavy Rocket Launcher
Muyib Rifle/Viral Mines
Muyib Medic
Farzan Boarding Shotgun/Chain of Command
Lasiq Sniper
Fiday Boarding Shotgun
Barid Forward Observer/Lt
Nasmat
Nasmat

This list ticks my boxes. The killsquad - the Muyibs. These badasses will run around murderizing stuff. The Lt, I wanted to go against common sense and have a fairly unique Lt, so I went with a Ragik. With a very obvious Lt, I wanted to mitigate that risk. Enter the Farzan. I needed a sniper, since I love snipers, and Bahram isn't lacking in options, but there's really only one, the Lasiq. I needed to fit a Fiday in there, because Fidays are awesome. The two nasmats are there for the Medic to use around the place, and also because I had 6 points left and couldn't figure out where to use them.

The big kicker was the Barid. It's not too expensive, packs Forward Observer, a marker and hacker device. It feels like a real workhorse unit, especially in the campaign. The one drawback for campaign play is there's no engineer. Once my 200pt 'starter' list actually gets done, this will be the second of two primary lists I'll be working on. The other is expanding the 200pt list to 300pts with a Maghariba and some Odalisques.

Feel free to post any Haqqislam musings of your own to make this a general Haqqislam thread if you want.

Doesn't CoC deactivate the Farzan's camo?

I actually read a bit about Ragik Lt's and didn't realize they have to start in AD, thus put you in LoL right away. I've swapped it around to be a Barid FO/Lt and a Ragik Hacker.

That should stop CoC kicking in and deactivating the Farzans Camo.

Yeah, AD Lt WILL put you in LoL (because only Ariadna has an AD capable Lt that cancels it when he drops).

CoC also doesn't kick in when the Lt is anything BUT dead or unconscious. Off-table, AD, whatever else don't count.

Hence why I changed it

Doctors and engineers use the nasmats - not medics.

Is there an actual doc in the list, because I can't see one.

The Muyib doctor profile is mislabeled as a medic on Aleph Toolbox or maybe its a translation error.

I don't think Haqq even has a medic option except for Alguaciles.

Yep, the muyib is actually a doctor.

So, with the purchase of a Najjarun from Shae (thanks again if you read this putting up with my complete lack of knowledge of paypal), and a Maghariba Guard coming in for me at the FLGS, I've been looking at TAG lists. This is what I've got so far.

Ghulam - Lt
Ghulam - Doctor
Najjarun Engineer
Nasmat Remote
Hassassin Muyib - Spitfire
Hassassin Muyib - Heavy Rocket Launcher
Al Hawwa - Hacker
Odalisque - Spitfire
Odalisque - Boarding Shotgun
Maghariba Guard - MHMG, HGL

My main concern is it's 9 orders at 300pts, but I can't really think of what to do to alleviate that.

Basically I want the Engineer and Ghulam cheerleading, with the Doctor and Engineer using the Nasmat if they need to which will run about the field. This shouldn't be too big a problem, as it'll be sticking with the Maghariba, which in turn will be guarded by the Muyibs and Al Hawwa.

The Odalisques, not being able to be revived due to passing directly to dead on losing their second wound, will flank as they are tough enough to go out themselves and the Doctor not being able to save them.

That one order won't kill you IMO - yours wouldn't be the first tag list wih that issue and most of your other guys are sufficiently hard to take out to not make it much of an issue.

Bit of an obvious lt though, perhaps?

It is, but it's again another case of 'who the hell else to make the Lt?'

I also was thinking of a Maghriba list - if you include a Saladin and a Hafza, with a Naffatun filler, that should help you in the order dept. but would require some changes to your list.

If you want to, I can post mine after rebuilding it in the Toolbox, as I cleared my cache recently and it's gone.

I've only played a couple of games with my bahram but I cant speak highly enough of Lasiqs (particularly the sniper), hard to hit them and viral ammo is pretty nasty. The spitfire Muyib is also very handy with her x-visor.

 -Loki- wrote:
It is, but it's again another case of 'who the hell else to make the Lt?'

...There is that, yeah. That sectorial isn't exactly brimming with options.
There's always the idea of having another combi ghulam - that way at least your opponent has to guess which of the two it is? hide them in different places and he might well decide it's not worth bothering. Has worked for me in the past but then again, My meta doesn't exhibit half the nasty some of you guys seem to run into regularly

That TAG list isn't Bahram, it's just vanilla Haqq. Hassassins can't take the Maghariba, afterall.

There's other ways I could go with the Lt, but not without significantly changing my list. The point of the lists I'm currently coming up with is to use what I have painted and slowly add to it.

That TAG list adds the Najjarun, TAG, HRL Muyib and Odalisques. Basically giving me 4 more Infantry models and a TAG to paint before playing it.

The Bahram list gives me 3 more Muyibs, a Farzan, Ragik, Barid and Lasiq to paint. 7 More infantry, so it's a longer term project.

...Oops?

Something I did notice for my TAG list, is that for the price of the Al Hawwa Hacker, I can fit in a Hassassin Barid Forward Observer/Hacker, and a second Nasmat. That seems like a good deal - Forward Observer gives me another Objective completer for scenarios and it's also a Hacker with a Marker, fulfilling the same role the Al Hawwa would have. The second Nasmat gives me some more flexibility of putting the Doctor and Engineer in different places without risking themselves.

I personally am reluctant to use the FO/Hacker Barid because he will not be a possible LT, and I try to make my Bahram list have a couple possible LTs.

This is my standard Bahram list with my strong Muyyib link:

Haqqislam - Hassassin Bahram | 11 models
________________________________________________________

Combat Group #1
Muyib HRL (34|1)
Muyib Spitfire (31|1)
Muyib Medic (27|0)
Muyib Viral (25|0)
Muyib Lieutenant (23|1.5)
Husam Rifle (Viral Sniper Rifle, Doctor, Minelayer, Hacker (Hacking Device)) (17|0|12xp)
Ragik HMG (38|1.5)
Farzan BS (32|0)
Barid Hacker (26|0.5)
Fiday BS (34|0)
Combat Group #2
Kameel EVO (13|0.5)
________________________________________________________

300/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/bEjKpe

Only 2 possible Lt profiles here, but it is an ITS list, with 4 possible specialists.

This list with a Strong Muyyib Link Team has has not disappointed me yet.

For a more of an Kill Team approach this is what I'd use:

Haqqislam - Hassassin Bahram | 10 models
________________________________________________________

Husam Panzerfaust (Viral Sniper Rifle, CH: Mimetism, Minelayer) (25|0.5|12xp)
Muyib HRL (34|1)
Muyib Spitfire (31|1)
Muyib LGL (23|1)
Muyib Medic (27|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
Ragik HMG (38|1.5)
Farzan BS (32|0)
Fiday BS (34|0)
Barid H+Lt (26|1)
Lasiq Viral (26|0)
________________________________________________________

299/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/hJCBM5



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As for the Maghriba list, this is something I came up with today in the morning:

Haqqislam | 10 models
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Maghariba MHMG,HGL (97|1.5)
Shaytaniyah GML (34|1)
Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Hafza Spitfire (23|1)
Lasiq Sniper (29|1.5)
Farzan Observer (25|0)
Barid FO (17|0)
Barid H+Lt (26|1)
Najjarun Engineer (17|0)
Nasmat (3|0)
________________________________________________________

295/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/VAbhCC

This is a neat list, I believe because it does 2 things I haven't done yet (spams GL shots at 36 inches) and also presents a GML on the table with 2 FOs.

It also puts down between 3 or 5 possible LT choices (depending on what you make the Hafza be) - if your enemy does not remember all the SWC of Haqqislam by heart, or if he asks "Who can the LT be?" (which we always do here, btw, I Always explain before the battle who among my men can be the Lt) you can point toward the 2 Naffatun, both Barid and possibly the disguised Hafza.

You also have an Engineer to fix the robots and a Hacker to defend them from hacking. If you're afraid of Hacking, you can switch one of the Naffatuns for an Evo Repeater - possibly after changing the Lt around so you have the necessary SWC.

The Hacker/FO Barid is for my TAG list, not Bahram. The Bahram list will use a Hacker Barid, because his job as an Lt is to hide, and his job as a hacker is to hack. With Markers, he can do both.

I think I should edit the thread title...

My FLGS just keeps on making me remember how awesome they are.

I ordered my Maghariba Guard about a month ago. Through a series of miscommunications between me and them, and them and their supplier, I only received it last night. I grabbed the Barid as well. Because of the hassle, they knocked enough off the total that I basically got the Barid for free. The lateness didn't bother me - I'm patient. Throwing in a new release basically for free? Awesome.

So, since I also received my Najjarun from Shae, I now have the models to complete my 300pt list with TAG and Hassassin Bahram list. Very happy.

All I need to do now is iron out a Qapu Khalki list I like, which is unfortunately much harder. So, so, so many fun choices. Djanzaban link? Kapalan link? Druze link? Scarface and Cordelia? Odalisque Haris link? Odalisque normal Link? Sekban Haris link (when available)? Gnaaaah.

So I wound up having a game today against my friends Aleph.

I ran
Ghulam Lt
Ghulam Rifle
Ghulam Doctor
Nasmat
Ghulam Panzerfaust
Muyib Spitfire
Muyib Rifle
Odalisque Rifle
Barid Hacker
Al Hawwa Sniper

He ran, as far as I can remember
Deva Lt
Devabot
Myrmidon Chainrifle
Myrmidon Spitfire
Myrmidon Boarding Shotgun
Myrmidon Hacker
Dactini Combi Rifle
Dactini HMG
Naga Minelayer

It was a pretty fun game. Can't give a battle report, but some of the more fun parts.

He had the Myrmidon Hacker and Dactini HMG pinning down my Muyibs. I couldn't figure out a way to deal with it. Then I remembered my Barid had Markers, so I muddled through the Parabolic Fire rules, and landed a Marker near the Dactini, hacked Immobilised it (after 2 'duels' with his Myrmidon Hacker). Muyib Spitfire then proceeded to tear it to peices.

Myrmidon Spitfire charges my Odalisque. Thanks to IKhol he didn't hurt her, but I couldn't kill him. I disengaged, ran around the back of him with the second short order, used another order to shoot him in the back, only to realize I was in LOS of the Deva Lt. So I shot the Deva Lt in the face with the rifle, and the Myrmidon turned around in reaction. Next order, used her pistol to shoot the Myrmidon in the face.

Another moment where he ran a Myrmidon down a catwalk and made a jump across a gap onto a balcony. I actually didn't react because I wanted him to fall 6" and die, but he made his roll.

For my first real 200pt game, we incorporated a lot of rules. I had a splitting headache afterwards from all those dice rolls and rules. Then he wanted to see the rules for Posthumans, I saw the proxy rules, and told him to feth off and read them himself after seeing how long they were.

Super fun though. Next game I'm incorporating YAMS and a few more rules we didn't use, like Retreat and Minelayer.

So my trusty Haqqislam took the field again today. I was running the same list as above, but substituted the Odalisques rifle for a boarding shotgun to fit a second Nasmat in. We still didn't run YAMS, just another 200pt free for all. My Aleph playing friend was running:

Myrmidon Officer Lt Boarding Shotgun
Mrymidon Hacker
Myrmidon Spitfire
Myrmidon Chainrifle
Sophotect
Yudbot
Yudbot
Dactini Combi Rifle
Dactini HMG
Netrod
Netrod

I was surprised at the lack of teeth he was bringing to the table, but once the dice started rolling I was reminded at exactly how toothy Myrmidons were. Those ODDs are a pain in the ass. The game came down to only a few models left (again, we played without Retreat rules) and my Haqq only barely took victory.

I still get baffled by GW's insistence that you need to randomise everything to create cinematic moments. This game was full of them.

(Wo)men of the Match were my Odalisque with Boarding shotgun and Ghulam with Panzerfaust. They were holding a flank, and we had hackable shield walls. Other side was the Myrmidon Hacker and Spitfire, and the Dactini HMG and a Yudbot. Opponent hacks the shield wall, and the Dactini opens up on the Odalisque but fails to kill her (she actually passed two saves agaisnt the HMG). Spitfire Myrmidon opens up and receives an AP round to the face. Yudbot kills him while attempting to revive.

Dactini moves and fires again, but eats a Panzerfaust round and gets annihilated. Opponent finds it more sane to avoid these two, closes the shield wall, and retreats up some stairs. Barid reopens it (thanks to a marker I lobbed there earlier), Odalisque casually walks up behind the Myrmidon hacker and puts two AP rounds in its back. Myrmidon officer unfortunately repeats this on my Odalisque. Seeing the beauty bite the dust, the Ghulam struts up the stairs and puts a (remarkable BS5) Panzerfaust round right in the officers face. Again, annihilating it. Thens trolls across the catwalk and makes a BS 5 kill with her combi rifle on another Myrmidon.

The rest of the game was happening around that little battle, but that was an awesome little cinematic rivalry.

One thing you may consider when facing ALEPH or the Steel Phalanx and using regular Haqqislam or the Qapu Khalqi is takign a Djanbazan or two. Them having MSV2 negates the ODD of the Myrmidons.

Also, the Ghulam does not have a Combi Rifle, she has a Rifle. A minor difference, but those 2 weapons have different To Hit bonuses in the 0-8 range.

I'm not surprised to hear that the Odalisque did well - mine are usually very potent as well, chiefly thanks to NWI and SSL2.

Thanks for the heads up on the rifles. We actually got into several close range shoot outs which would have gone against me if I went with normal rifle stats. Live and learn.

ODD doesn't annoy me enough to go for Djanzaban yet. I just need to pick my fights better. But that's the drawback of fighting Aleph - they get some nasty toys. Also specifically going with Djanbazan because he runs Myrmidons feels too much like list tailoring right now. I don't want to drive him away from the game!

I was really surprised with the Odalisque. I can't wait to run a Haris team of them.

Actually the rifle is a rifle/ light shotgun, so you don't lose out on AROs at short range. You can also use it in the active turn but its only B2, although you do get the template as well which can be handy.

 bantha_beast wrote:
Actually the rifle is a rifle/ light shotgun, so you don't lose out on AROs at short range. You can also use it in the active turn but its only B2, although you do get the template as well which can be handy.

Yup, that's the full breakdown of the average weapon

 -Loki- wrote:
Thanks for the heads up on the rifles. We actually got into several close range shoot outs which would have gone against me if I went with normal rifle stats. Live and learn.

ODD doesn't annoy me enough to go for Djanzaban yet. I just need to pick my fights better. But that's the drawback of fighting Aleph - they get some nasty toys. Also specifically going with Djanbazan because he runs Myrmidons feels too much like list tailoring right now. I don't want to drive him away from the game!

I was really surprised with the Odalisque. I can't wait to run a Haris team of them.

Djanbies are a decent troop with regeneration, I wouldn't necessarily see them as a hard counter to Myrmidons and a list tailoring manouvre.

And Haris Odalisques are indeed pretty decent, especially since you can give them SSL2 anyway, so they don't miss out on the 4th Link Team member.

The reason it feels like list tailoring is right now I simply don't want to use Djanzaban. So going and getting some purely because he's using models with ODD is, well, tailoring my list to counter units I know he'll have.

I've got no doubt they're good even outside of having MSV 2, but I just don't want to run them right now.