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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 09:41:28
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Imperial Recruit in Training
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
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Here's the scenario,
A hell drake flies over a unit and off the table.
Can it vector strike the unit?
The rules on vector strike seem to allow this and flyer rule for leaving combat airspace don't seem to disallow this.
I think it does and i let him do it but i just wanted to see what you guys think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 10:12:47
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Leader of the Sept
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There has been quite a bit of debate over this, however the only prerequisite required to vector strike is that the model has moved over an enemy unit in its movement phase, so it is permitted.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Terranwing - w3;d1;l1
51st Dunedinw2;d0;l0
Cadre Coronal Afterglow w1;d0;l0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 11:09:41
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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I'd say no, to make any form of attack (Vector Strikes are an attack) you need to be in play (i.e. on the table).
If you are in ongoing reserves (due to having left combat airspace) are you in play?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/07/07 11:10:03
DT:90-S++G++M++B+IPw40k07+D+A+++/cWD-R+T(T)DM+
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 12:12:47
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Leader of the Sept
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Normal attacks need things like line of sight and range and suchlike, so require a model to be on the board. The vector strike rules are explicit in how attacks are generated, designated and how wounds are applied. The only requirement is that the vector striking model has moved over the target unit in the movement phase. Where the model is "now" doesn't matter, only where it has been.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Terranwing - w3;d1;l1
51st Dunedinw2;d0;l0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 12:26:52
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Confessor Of Sins
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You could conceivably also move over a model, find you can't move far enough and crash. Heldrake destroyed and no longer in play. But it still moved over a model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 18:14:35
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes, as you have fulfilled the requirements to make the attack
It is why the attack uses Random Allocation
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/07 18:38:22
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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Krellnus wrote:I'd say no, to make any form of attack (Vector Strikes are an attack) you need to be in play (i.e. on the table).
If you are in ongoing reserves (due to having left combat airspace) are you in play?
At the time you made the vector strike, yes.
It is a pretty easy question to answer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 05:18:18
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Agreed with most here, the only requirement is that it moved over said unit. Where the Hellturkey is now, is irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 07:15:07
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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Portugal Jones wrote: Krellnus wrote:I'd say no, to make any form of attack (Vector Strikes are an attack) you need to be in play (i.e. on the table).
If you are in ongoing reserves (due to having left combat airspace) are you in play?
At the time you made the vector strike, yes.
It is a pretty easy question to answer.
Vector Strikes are resolved at the end of your movement are they not?
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DT:90-S++G++M++B+IPw40k07+D+A+++/cWD-R+T(T)DM+
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 07:43:03
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Does it matter? are you trying to say it needs LOS?.
IF I warflamed your units with a single horror who then died to a double peril but power still went off would you not need to do a toughness test at the end of the phase? ok that is a little different but still it is something that has happened during the phase but is resolved at the end of the phase
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40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 07:56:45
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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MarkyMark wrote:Does it matter? are you trying to say it needs LOS?.
IF I warflamed your units with a single horror who then died to a double peril but power still went off would you not need to do a toughness test at the end of the phase? ok that is a little different but still it is something that has happened during the phase but is resolved at the end of the phase
Yes it does matter, Vector Strike is an attack and like all attacks it therefore requires you to be on the table, just as if you were to use any ability, or are you trying to say that if I have my Riptide in reserve I can intercept with it?
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DT:90-S++G++M++B+IPw40k07+D+A+++/cWD-R+T(T)DM+
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 08:02:43
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Like what other attacks?, attacks done in the shooting phase?, but its the movement phase!....... Exactly.
Does your riptide have LOS to the model that come on from reserves to intercept it?, nope therefore you cannot.
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40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 09:58:14
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Krellnus wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Does it matter? are you trying to say it needs LOS?.
IF I warflamed your units with a single horror who then died to a double peril but power still went off would you not need to do a toughness test at the end of the phase? ok that is a little different but still it is something that has happened during the phase but is resolved at the end of the phase
Yes it does matter, Vector Strike is an attack and like all attacks it therefore requires you to be on the table, just as if you were to use any ability, or are you trying to say that if I have my Riptide in reserve I can intercept with it?
If you have range and LOS, then yes. You dont? Then no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 12:09:58
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Krellnus wrote:I'd say no, to make any form of attack (Vector Strikes are an attack) you need to be in play (i.e. on the table).
No-one shoots whilst embarked in your games then, if that's true (which it isn't).
The mechanisms are all there to allow you to do this, unlike firing a model from literally off-table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 14:53:26
Subject: Vector strike off the table
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Krellnus wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Does it matter? are you trying to say it needs LOS?.
IF I warflamed your units with a single horror who then died to a double peril but power still went off would you not need to do a toughness test at the end of the phase? ok that is a little different but still it is something that has happened during the phase but is resolved at the end of the phase
Yes it does matter, Vector Strike is an attack and like all attacks it therefore requires you to be on the table, just as if you were to use any ability, or are you trying to say that if I have my Riptide in reserve I can intercept with it?
To my knowledge:
There is no requirement to be on the table. That assertion is no where in the rulebook.
It is merely a defacto "state of being" if you will, since most attack either require LOS or BTB or a certain range and thus must be on the table to meet those requirements.
But there is no sentence or paragraph in the book that says you must be on the table to attack.
Again, it is to my knowledge, i could be wrong but i would need a reference (page #) to be convinced otherwise.
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