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Most will say space marines, orks and necrons but which one is the best?

Depends on how picky you are on the models and how you plan to buy them. I use ebay to get bulk models for my orks, AOBR keeps the prices of regular boyz down. At the end of the day your wallet will be the envy of every purse as it will have lost the most weight.

Neither, the best *incredibly* effective cheap army is in fact chaos daemons.

Running a daemon flying circus needs only 6 monsters ( Buy 2 daemon prince models, there is easily enough to make 3/4 prince depending on how liberal you are wit green stuff) and maybe 2 boxes of horrors (4 min squads of 5) plus anything you want to portalglyph. 2 lord of changes is 60, 2 daemon princes is 60, 2 horrors are 40. A whole massively competitive 2k army for under 200 pounds and can compete with the best of them.

thx ill take that in consideration for my army

A lot of it depends on how much scratch building your venue allows. I've got about $80-$90 in my 2000+ pt orks army, and most of the cash is aobr boyz.

My chaos marines weren't too hefty either between DV, and SM models being common to find used and cheap.

I don't see the point of ''the cheapest'' because he wont have much fun with them, because he wont have a huge chance of winning. AOBR Orks are horrible in the fact the the bikers are not nobs, there are too few boys to hoard, to many to trukk and the Kopter isn't that good. DV chaos is quite bad to because helbrutes just arn't good and neither are chosen and an un optimum chaos lord not riding anything and not using axe of blindfury, both of which any good chaos lord should.

There is always Draigowing which consists of ultra powerful-yet-not-quite-as-powerful-as-before type army which comes to about the same price including Psy riflemen/dreadknights as the flying circus, which in my opinion is better. Most armies barely have enough power to ground 1 flying monster, so 6 will utterly overpower all but Skyfight tau/Necron air with a good turn. Especially when Tzeentch (they will almost always be Tzeentch) and thee get forwarning + Grimour to get a 2++ re-rollable. They are also all good in combat and shooting (All get flickering fire base) so all you need to do is keep the enemy so your min units of horrors can reserve and deepstrike onto objectives and throw the portal onto enemies objectives.

well, you live in china, all warhammer is cheap here

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I don't see the point of ''the cheapest'' because he wont have much fun with them, because he wont have a huge chance of winning. AOBR Orks are horrible in the fact the the bikers are not nobs, there are too few boys to hoard, to many to trukk and the Kopter isn't that good. DV chaos is quite bad to because helbrutes just arn't good and neither are chosen and an un optimum chaos lord not riding anything and not using axe of blindfury, both of which any good chaos lord should.

Yeah, but the box is just a start; I'm not saying go and buy the boxes and play just from that. I got about 70 aobr boyz/nobz on ebay for $50, then scratchbuilt trukz, battlewagons, dakkajets ect from old $3 thrift store models. Right now I'm re-fitting nobs so they sit on hotwheels bikes. Chopping and scratch building are the key to a happy ork army.

DV is great if you need the rule book, and you can sell/trade the hellbrute, chosen, lord or anything else you don't like. (I play Slaanesh anyway, so it's all Steed/Murder Sword and no axe for me.) I turned all the angels into Emperor's Children. Got well over 1,000pts for $80. (My venue discounts.) From there it's just about picking up a few key units and finding used/broken SM for cheap and rebuilding them as chaos to fill out your squads.

The best is whatever you like and think you will have fun with. Min/maxed lists get really old really fast.

i dont live in china its just vacation

The best bang for buck is a draigowing. You can make a 1500 point list out of just 11 models.

And if that wasn't cheap enough, then you could always buy DV terminators, use a little knifework to get rid of the DA insignia and buy (or ask a local GK player politely for) some GK bitz and glue them on. You could make an entire army for $30.

Jfan wrote:
i dont live in china its just vacation

Stuff every suitcase before leaving.

Necron are the most effective per money spend on army.

 DeffDred wrote:

Jfan wrote:
i dont live in china its just vacation

Stuff every suitcase before leaving.

I would even ditch your clothes and other unnecessary items for more space. After all you only need one set of clothes for 4 days. You got the front the back inside out and backwards inside out

Makumba wrote:
Necron are the most effective per money spend on army.

I'd have to disagree there. Draigo-wing is by far the cheapest, money-wise.

Unless you mean most effective models for the money spent? That's more opinion than fact though.

yeah only draigo wing is not a good army. .

Makumba wrote:
yeah only draigo wing is not a good army. .

Um no. Draigo wing is still a very good army in 6th. It is not as powerful as it was in 5th but with a half decent general and the right few supporting units draigo wing can beat anything.

 Ailaros wrote:
The best bang for buck is a draigowing. You can make a 1500 point list out of just 11 models.

And if that wasn't cheap enough, then you could always buy DV terminators, use a little knifework to get rid of the DA insignia and buy (or ask a local GK player politely for) some GK bitz and glue them on. You could make an entire army for $30.

This. Grey Knights are powerful, and an army of them can be had for a relatively small amount.

I believe chaos daemons are cheaper then grey knights. A Draigowing needs 3 boxes of 5 paladins plus Draigo, inquisitor of choice and usually 2 dreadnought/knight for a 2k army. this comes to £30 x 5 (3 paladins + 2 dread-things) + draigo and inquisitor = a total of £175. That's the main draigowing I see, but there is probably a cheaper, less optimum army list.

Chaos daemons do this with 1 Lord of change + Kairos (£72) and 2 daemon princes (make 3, £50) plus either 20 plauges or horrors ( £36) which goes up to £150. Both are competitive, but daemons take advantage of the new flying rules while draigowing have little answers to multiple flyers if they don't get duel psy riflemen.

You will also be called cheese less, there is a lot of hate for grey knights left over from last edition, People haven't learned to hate this list yet ^^

Pony_law wrote:

Makumba wrote:
yeah only draigo wing is not a good army. .

Um no. Draigo wing is still a very good army in 6th. It is not as powerful as it was in 5th but with a half decent general and the right few supporting units draigo wing can beat anything.

And necrons don't need supporting units , can be played by a fresh general and can beat anything too. And they won't have problems with missions with more then 3 objectivs , dont have to worry that their single corner stone unit will get focus fired by eldar or tau.
But they do work nice in big point games as ally to necron.

I would also say Ork's. I only say that because they are easy to pick up second hand. In my local area lots of people would start with Ork's but jump ship to the newest codex after they get hooked on the game.

New in the box I would say Daemons. 3 flying princes, 1 greater daemon and 2 troop choices. Lol I am currently in the process of building this army.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I don't see the point of ''the cheapest'' because he wont have much fun with them, because he wont have a huge chance of winning. AOBR Orks are horrible in the fact the the bikers are not nobs, there are too few boys to hoard, to many to trukk and the Kopter isn't that good. DV chaos is quite bad to because helbrutes just arn't good and neither are chosen and an un optimum chaos lord not riding anything and not using axe of blindfury, both of which any good chaos lord should.

There is always Draigowing which consists of ultra powerful-yet-not-quite-as-powerful-as-before type army which comes to about the same price including Psy riflemen/dreadknights as the flying circus, which in my opinion is better. Most armies barely have enough power to ground 1 flying monster, so 6 will utterly overpower all but Skyfight tau/Necron air with a good turn. Especially when Tzeentch (they will almost always be Tzeentch) and thee get forwarning + Grimour to get a 2++ re-rollable. They are also all good in combat and shooting (All get flickering fire base) so all you need to do is keep the enemy so your min units of horrors can reserve and deepstrike onto objectives and throw the portal onto enemies objectives.

Not everyone is in it for WAAC. The key when looking for the most affordable, but usable option is that the army can have some success, but isn't going to dominate, but the lack of funds mean there isn't much choice beyond that.

Hellbrutes do the job just fine like any other dreadnought does, and not every chaos lord needs an axe of blindfury either. I haven't a single chaos lord in 4 different chaos marine armies with that weapon. Hasn't slowed them down in the least. Most of my chaos lords also have no mounts either and again it hasn't kept them from being quite effective. Chosen are a decent unit as well and I wonder if you've ever bothered to really use these units in a game at all, because your comments on the chaos marine codex are rather wrong. I've been playing chaos since Rogue trader, so don't rely on the fancy gimmicks, just hard and nasty power armored troops to get the job done.

Each set of AOBR has a ton of boyz, no bikes and plenty of nobz as well. Buy a bunch of sets and you EASILY get hordes of boyz and nobz and plenty of coptas to buzz around and harrass the enemy. They don't have to be perfect, they are Orks after all and sets of AOBR orks are dirt cheap. I got 5 sets for $50 or so, which comes out to somewhere around 100 boyz, 25 nobz, 5 warboss figs for converting to other character types, and something like 15 coptas. That is a TON of minis for $50. Especially when compared to curret GW mini prices. Add a couple supporting units like a battlewagon, or some deffdreds and/or killa cans and you have a solid army for very little money.

I really do find your suggestion of the flying circus kind of silly. Yeah it has few models, but those models aren't exactly cheap models. On ebay you can get 130 infantry and 15 vehicle models from AOBR for the orks for less than it costs for *2* daemon prince models. We won't get into the army's tactical deficiencies here, but they are many...

To the OP what really matters is what you want from the army. If you want solid, hard to defeat troops then space marines are your best bet. If you want total insanity and also relatively random dependability you want orks. Necrons fit somewhere in the middle. All 3 have flying vehicles available to them as well if you want to support that. As others have said space marine and ork minis can quickly and easily be found in abundance on ebay for very decent prices, so if cash is your biggest concern those to should be your focus. Assault on Black Reach (AOBR) orks are more easy to find still on sprue than AOBR space marines, but you can occasionally find those as well for decent prices.

Skriker

what im intrested in right now are either wraithwing,draigowing or flying circus, What do you guys think?

@ Striker. Well it seems you've been playing warhammer 40k chaos a lot longer then I have, and it looks like before I was Born! But I just mean that DV chaos just isn't a great set, cheap maybe, but not optimum. Helbrutes don't work as well as other dreads because they have crazed making them less reliable (although its a lot less of a problem now) and don't have access to drop pods. It also I believe you can't even get it outside DV, as I don't see it on the product list. That means that without converting you are getting a multimelta or and easily converted autocannon (done better by havoks). 6th ed just isn't a dreadnought edition.

Maybe I was rash to say *all* good chaos lords, but a large amount could benefit from riding a mount for bonuses like T5(6!), extra movement and attacks, they just need a unit to roll with. Some don't even need that. Axe of blind fury is Frickin' evil with AP 2 at I, the only way to get that in a chaos army without Special characters? But for the record...sorcerers are more useful in my opinion. + chosen are just marines with extra special weapons, they just aren't worth their expensive salt in melee, especially the DV models with all super expensive weapon upgrades.

Sorry, got into a balance rant....

@ Jfan All 3 are good armies. Wraithwing stands out as being a very powerful army, but is also very expensive. A SINGLE unit of 9 wraiths lead by destroyer lord is over £100. Add that to the obvious choice of Immortals/warriors in nightscythe which is another £30 odd adds to a very expensive army.

IF you are buying these straight form gamesworkshop then these are the most effective armies almost full stop for there respective codexes (codi?) and the fact that 2 of them are very cheap is just a great bonus!

thx but which one would you think will get me hooked on the game because i like the space marine looks and my brother is playing csm and wants me to play daemons so we can ally

What Chaos faction/God does he use?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but if you are playing a 2v2, anyone can be allies. The 6th Edition Allies section is only for a single persons army, and their own separate FOC.

Matosrogue wrote:
Perhaps I'm wrong, but if you are playing a 2v2, anyone can be allies. The 6th Edition Allies section is only for a single persons army, and their own separate FOC.

You are correct. But I know of some groups that consider the Ally Matrix to apply to all games.

I've also seen tournaments where the two teammates must follow the allies rules and matrix.

And a tournament where all teams are considered Allies of Convenience.

Allied CSM with daemons is also a very strong list, adds a black mace prince (AWESOME!) and a Heldrake (DOUBLE AWESOME!) and its also quite flyffy. But if you don't like the look of daemons, you wont be motivated to paint them and an unpainted army usually makes me not want to play them. You like Space Marines (Codex: Ultramarines ^^) then play them, you get them dirt cheap on ebay but I find new players that come into space marines usually shy off the game quicker then others. I think this is because they are quite a boring race to play and everyone and there dad knows how to win them.

hmmm.... tough choice because i really like space marines kinda want to be competitive too

DV Termicide or Chaos DM FMCs. I'm currently in the process of putting together a ~£100 DV Termi army, got the list down. Just waiting on kit to arrive now.