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I can't find any details on how one places the quad gun emplacement purchased with the Aegis Defense line. For the longest time I thought it had to be deployed in contact with the line, but I'm having trouble finding the BRB's description of where one can place the gun emplacement.

Someone want to give me the page number/paragraph I seem to be missing?

edit: Search function didn't help much.

There are no rules about where the Quad-gun/Lascannon/Comms Relay can or should be placed in relation to the ADL itself. It is not an Aegis section, and as such is not required to be BtB with another section by the FAQ.

Just to play it safe, have it close to the ADL in some way.

This is a contentious issue that has been debated NUMEROUS times here.

Best bet : Play it safe and have it touching another section of the ADL. Nobody could possibly complain about it's placement then, regardless of how you read the relevant rule(s)

Wow ok I'm not sure where I got the impression it had to be in contact with the Aegis then.

Technically you could place it anywhere on the board in your deployment zone, irrespective of where the ADL is?

How about HIWPI - anyone have house rules about how to set up the gun emplacement?


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Can someone link me a previous thread with this topic? Can't find it using search function.

Yeah, technically you can place it anywhere in your table half like all fortifications.

And really, this issue only became one after the FAQ that all ADL sections had to make one unbroken chain. And people assume that the purchased gun is included in that requirement when it very clearly only calls out the actual ADL sections.

 Dracos wrote:
Wow ok I'm not sure where I got the impression it had to be in contact with the Aegis then.

Technically you could place it anywhere on the board in your deployment zone, irrespective of where the ADL is?

How about HIWPI - anyone have house rules about how to set up the gun emplacement?


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Can someone link me a previous thread with this topic? Can't find it using search function.

HIWPI : Place the quad gun against any section of the ADL, for simplicity and complete lack of argument.

How my group plays it : same as HIWPI, again for simplicities sake.

As for a link to a previous thread, just type in Quad Gun in the search, drill down to about page 5-6 and there you will find thread(s) regarding it (some of the ones that were locked faster than before). I'd link to it, but I'd rather not drag up the topic, again ..

The Gun needs to be with the ADL, as it is bought as an option for the ADL.

If you let your opponents put Predator sponson weapons anywhere they want, even in a ruin, while the predator is deployed out of sight, then you should let your opponents put the Gun anywhere.

However seeing as the optional ADL is an option for the ADL it needs to be with the ADL.

That stupid argument again.

Next you'll be saying that the 5 additional marines purchased for a tac squad have to be piggy back on the original 5 members.


The sponsons have a defined place to be, using the definition of sponsons and the model itself.

The ADL has no such thing.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That stupid argument again.

Next you'll be saying that the 5 additional marines purchased for a tac squad have to be piggy back on the original 5 members.

Actually, they have unit coherency rules and they need to stay in unit coherency, This is true of the optional members of the squad as well as the base squad.

The sponsons have a defined place to be, using the definition of sponsons and the model itself.

The ADL has no such thing.

So how about the optional Hunter Killer missile? Could you place that anywhere?

The ADL has a FaQ saying all sections need to be touching.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That stupid argument again.

Next you'll be saying that the 5 additional marines purchased for a tac squad have to be piggy back on the original 5 members.

Yeah, ridiculous. We all know those 5 extra marines can be placed anywhere on the board...


Yes, there are no rules that cover where the quad gun should be placed. However, the fact that it is an upgrade to the defense line should serve as a pretty strong clue that it is supposed to be a part of the defense line. Exactly how close to the walls it needs to be is going to be up to the players to decide, but I would definitely go with at least requiring it to be in the general immediate vicinity.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
That stupid argument again.

Next you'll be saying that the 5 additional marines purchased for a tac squad have to be piggy back on the original 5 members.

Actually, they have unit coherency rules and they need to stay in unit coherency, This is true of the optional members of the squad as well as the base squad.

The sponsons have a defined place to be, using the definition of sponsons and the model itself.

The ADL has no such thing.

So how about the optional Hunter Killer missile? Could you place that anywhere?

The ADL has a FaQ saying all sections need to be touching.

Yes, and the Quad-gun/Lascannon/Comm relay is NOT an ADL section. Its a Gun Emplacement that you can buy if you take an ADL. Only the actual ADL sections are required to be BtB.

I think its disingenuous to equate additional bits you can purchase on models as options with buying new models to go with other models. The bit about sponsons here is nonsense and unrelated.

Additional models purchased for a unit must be deployed together because of unit coherency rules. So again, that is a false equation.

I've personally always deployed it in contact. I don't find this situation to be similar to those offered as precedents. Given the lack of rules on how to place it, I guess it makes sense to apply the rules on how the rest of the Aegis is placed- but only because its convenient.

 Dracos wrote:
I think its disingenuous to equate additional bits you can purchase on models as options with buying new models to go with other models. The bit about sponsons here is nonsense and unrelated.

It really is not unrelated. the Gun Emplacement is not an additional model for the unit...

The hunter Killer missile is an option for a predator. If it has to be with the vehicle it was bought as an option for, then the Gun Emplacement should work the same way for consistency's sake.

Additional models purchased for a unit must be deployed together because of unit coherency rules. So again, that is a false equation.

I've personally always deployed it in contact. I don't find this situation to be similar to those offered as precedents. Given the lack of rules on how to place it, I guess it makes sense to apply the rules on how the rest of the Aegis is placed- but only because its convenient.

The Gun Emplacement is a part of the ADL by virtue of it being an option for the ADL, and as per the FaQ all sections of the ADL need to touch.

The ADL is not a vehicle, why would anything applying to vehicles apply?

GW just mucked up the rules in this area of the game.

Not being a vehicle does not matter.

We should try to be consistent when we apply the rules.

The Quad Gun as an option for the ADL is a similar situation to the Hunter Killer missile being an option for a Predator.

To be consistent in our rules we should apply the rulings in a similar manner as they are similar situations.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The Gun Emplacement is a part of the ADL by virtue of it being an option for the ADL, and as per the FaQ all sections of the ADL need to touch.

The real question is, "Is the Gun Emplacement/Comm Relay an ADL section?"

Now, one group says yes, the other says no.

If we include pictures as rules then we see that entry for the Bastion includes a Comm Relay that, like the ADL is purchased separately, is not even touching the bastion. If one uses the argument that as an upgrade it must be attached to the model then the Bastion picture is wrong (pg 116).

Additionally, the picture on page 88-89 has two groups of ADLs one of which has a quad-gun, again not in base contact. This one however is dubious, as based on the terrain descriptions it is most likely that none of the fortifications were bought and were instead deployed as normal terrain.

Then of course there are people who use the actual picture of the ADL on page 114, and draw a line to show that the gun is/is not touching the rest of the ADL.

With all that said, I'm of the opinion that the gun is not an ADL section however should at least be relatively close (within approximately 3") to the rest of the ADL (though mine does touch due to how I set it up, not much room to begin with).

The difference is night and day.

And if we approach this from how an actual military would do it, if I need my defensive line one place and the portable gun that came with it in another I'm going to put them in the place most advantageous to me.

There are no rules beside the general fortification rules on how to place the quad-gun. Thus it can be placed anywhere in your table half by RAW, which is all we can be certain of.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The Quad Gun as an option for the ADL is a similar situation to the Hunter Killer missile being an option for a Predator..

Is it? Or is it more like the option to add a landspeeder to a Ravenwing unit, which counts as a completely separate unit and doesn't have to be deployed with the bikes...?


The short answer is: We don't know.

We can guess that GW intended them to be deployed together, based on the pictures that GW have shown of it. We can assume that this is how it should be played. But the rules simply don't address the situation.

How do people feel about deploying the Quad Gun in 2" coherency with the ADL (any part)? This is the compromise we reached in our group.

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
How do people feel about deploying the Quad Gun in 2" coherency with the ADL (any part)? This is the compromise we reached in our group.

The most similar rules I have found are the Cluster of terrain rules that states 3 small pieces of Battlefield Debris can be placed instead of a single larger terrain piece, and all three pieces of Battlefield Debris needs to be in a Cluster. Check Page 120 for details

 insaniak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
The Quad Gun as an option for the ADL is a similar situation to the Hunter Killer missile being an option for a Predator..

Is it? Or is it more like the option to add a landspeeder to a Ravenwing unit, which counts as a completely separate unit and doesn't have to be deployed with the bikes...?


The short answer is: We don't know.

We can guess that GW intended them to be deployed together, based on the pictures that GW have shown of it. We can assume that this is how it should be played. But the rules simply don't address the situation.

Well considering you are not adding a model to the unit, and simply an optional Gun emplacement, it is not like adding another Landspeeder at all, and is more like adding a weapon onto an existing purchase from a force org slot/ (In this case the Fortification Slot).

 DeathReaper wrote:
Well considering you are not adding a model to the unit, and simply an optional Gun emplacement, it is not like adding another Landspeeder at all, and is more like adding a weapon onto an existing purchase from a force org slot/ (In this case the Fortification Slot).

Given that it's a separate piece from the rest of the ADL, I would disagree.

Frankly, there is no direct correlation to any other army list choice, because no other army list choice deals with a terrain piece made up of multiple parts that are all separate physical components. Being an 'option' doesn't automatically mean that it is physically attached... that only holds true in the certain specific analogies.


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 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
How do people feel about deploying the Quad Gun in 2" coherency with the ADL (any part)? This is the compromise we reached in our group.

I would have no problem with that. Aesthetically, I probably prefer it to the 'touching' interpretation.

A separate piece, sure, but so are the 4 long and short sections of the ADL, all separate pieces of the same ADL.

Yes, that's my point. There is nothing else like this in the game, so we can't really take a precendent from any other unit. It's pure guesswork how the optional extras are supposed to be applied to it.

 insaniak wrote:
Yes, that's my point. There is nothing else like this in the game, so we can't really take a precendent from any other unit. It's pure guesswork how the optional extras are supposed to be applied to it.

Well the rules do not say it can be placed separate from the ADL, and we have an FaQ telling us that all sections must be placed in a continuous line.

This is literally the only thing we have to go by. so it should be touching is the safest way to play it. (And conforms to the rules, however vague they are).

Is there a rules quote that specifies that a weapon emplacement is an ADL section? If so, then you can use the FAQ to justify putting the gun in base contact.

On a side note does the gun have to be on top or in base contact of the Bastion if purchased as part of it?

An option for a terrain piece, is part of that terrain piece.

This is because we are not told that it is separate. For it to be a separate piece it would have to specify that it can be deployed away from that specific terrain piece because of the permissive ruleset.

Not sure about the bastion, have not looked at the rules for it as I never use it.

DeathReaper -

If the Quad Gun is completely encircled by the ADL sections, does it get a cover save?

 AG. wrote:
DeathReaper -

If the Quad Gun is completely encircled by the ADL sections, does it get a cover save?

As with all shooting in this game It depends on True Line of Sight. if it is 25% covered from the point of view of the firing models Then it will get a save, if not then it wont.

(What does this have to do with anything?)

 DeathReaper wrote:
The Quad Gun as an option for the ADL is a similar situation to the Hunter Killer missile being an option for a Predator.

No it isn't.

The HK missile upgrades a model.

The gun emplacement upgrades a "unit".

Upgrades to a model must be part of that model, upgrades to a unit or fortification obey the coherency rules for their type. Since fortifications have no coherency limit the gun can go anywhere within the normal limits of where a fortification can be.

The Gun emplacement does not upgrade a unit...

Since your premise is false your conclusion must also be false.