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So im brand new, i watched a friend play a couple games and have been watching youtube channels of batreps, and i have to say i love it! So ive done a bit of research and im trying to decidewhat to build, i like Black Templars and Grey Knights but idk what to choose for my first army to build, any advice would be greatly appreciated on who would be cheaper money wise and easier learning wise. THX!

Choose what you think you would like, Black Templars and Grey Knights you say? Go for one of them! Remember to get the rulebook, that has everything you need to know, you could buy a bunch of units or plan an army list and buy the units in that list, but when you make a list, you must know how many points the list is an if it follows the Force organisation chart in the rulebook. Also get the codex forthw army you want to collect, oh and you can have an army with both Black Templars and Grey Knights, they are allies, it is probably cheapest to buy stuff on eBay, hope this helped

Id like to go with one or the other, any advice on which is easier to start out with? i really like draigo but i have read that grey knights is kinda hard to play, is Blac kTemplars easier?

I would suggest grey knights. draigo wing is simple enough and 2+ armor save is really friendly for new players.

there is enough rules within that list alone to get use to most of them as well.

also its relatively cheap to get a full playable army for starting.

Hi,

I can talk about GK but not BT.
I recently came back to play (i stopped for over 5 years)...
Grey Knights used to be one of those easy armies but is now a bit more difficult with some of the new codexes and new rules of v6.

However i would say they are still easier to play then BT.
Unless you want to play in tournaments, you can have quite a lot of efficient units, you just have to understand what they do.
For instance most GK units have a range of 24" so dont try a long range firefight versus TAU (i did three times, it does not work...)
They are also not a pure CC army (unless very specific choices). what they are is a heavy firepower army at medium range so you have to move forward versus backfields armies and they can be ok in CC (power weapons, power armor) if you choose your oponents well (for instance get in CC vs a TAU, you WILL win the fight, i still have to get there though^^)

You can also field different kind of armies (heavy on inquisition, heavy on GK, heavy on terminators...)

For BT i would say they have a much higher range of choices but i am not sure if a lot of them are really efficient.

So to make your choice i would say :
- What type of army would you like (CC, range, hordes)
- What painting scheme do you prefer
- What models do you prefer
- Do you like inquisition
- Do you like Terminators
- Do you want a small army (n° of figs)
- What fluff/background do you prefer?
- Do you want to play in tournaments or fluffy/casual games or semy competitive?

Id like a army that does CC and some mid range shooting, i really like the black templar models but i love draigo and the paladins i guess is what they call there terminators, id like a competitive army and if i would eventually play in tournaments id like to at least have a decent showing, im comming from a strategic card game background so i do like some strategy to my playing style.

Then as mentionned Draigo Wing could be your thing.
- Cheap to buy (as you need few models)
- Draigo and paladins that you like
- They can CC and Shoot well
- They can go in a tournament i guess (you will win some games but unlikely to win tournament i guess)

Ok this is pry a stupid question but whats the difference between a paladin and a terminator? i keep seeing either paladin or terminator and its confusing me, and what would you advise for a good start for the Draigo Wing?

Draigowing is still very good. It's not the roflstomp it used to be, but it can still be good, and it's one of those armies that now, you can be bad at draigowing and lose, but the more practice you get, the better you get quickly. It doesn't take long to figure out how to use draigowing to win in comparison to a lot of other armies out there, but, you will suffer from the occasional bad matchup, such as someone with 3 vindicators ruining your day

 Evileyes wrote:
Draigowing is still very good. It's not the roflstomp it used to be, but it can still be good, and it's one of those armies that now, you can be bad at draigowing and lose, but the more practice you get, the better you get quickly. It doesn't take long to figure out how to use draigowing to win in comparison to a lot of other armies out there, but, you will suffer from the occasional bad matchup, such as someone with 3 vindicators ruining your day

im ok with losing my fair share as long as im learning from mistakes, part of starting to play a new game.

The Paladins are the elite form of the standard GKT.

The have 2 Wounds, a psychic shooting attack, higher weapon skill, and access to more guns per squad. They are also not scoring units (units able to hold/capture) an objective) unless you take Draigo.

Draigo Wing tends to have 20 Paladins in 2 squads, Draigo, and some dreadnought with dual autocannons and psybolt ammo to increase their strength.

I will say that this army is less strategic than many armies. It's all hammer and no anvil.

Which is fine.

I also struggled between BT and GK when I started. I just wanted guys with swords. However when I started I was playing the old Daemonhunter codex and that was much more difficult to win with than BT is now. Look at them both. BT has some promise and tricks in it. They're also likely to get an update sooner than GKs who should be able to stand up to the test of time in 6th.

Welcome to the world of strategy. I've never seen a card-flopper go back after getting a whiff of 40k, or as some people call it, plastic crack.

I think im gonna go with the Draigowing, i love the beatstick style and Draigo is just badass, so what would be a cost effective list to start out trying to get as im currently in the process of purchasing a house lol.

JJ 40K wrote:

 Evileyes wrote:
Draigowing is still very good. It's not the roflstomp it used to be, but it can still be good, and it's one of those armies that now, you can be bad at draigowing and lose, but the more practice you get, the better you get quickly. It doesn't take long to figure out how to use draigowing to win in comparison to a lot of other armies out there, but, you will suffer from the occasional bad matchup, such as someone with 3 vindicators ruining your day

im ok with losing my fair share as long as im learning from mistakes, part of starting to play a new game.

Then Draigowing will be for you. You will still do very well in most matchups with draigowing, and while it may take a few games to get used to, once you are used to it, you will learn how best to use the units. Many people just charge forward with draigowing, which is what used to work, not so much now, but the more practice you get, the better you will figure out how it works now. A lot of people start draigowing, charge forward blindly, then get sad when it doesn't work. Those that persist and learn how best to use the unit's, end up being fearsome opponents

Draigowing is quick to learn, because you only have to learn how to use

Draigo

Paladins

And one other thing, usually psybolt dreadnought's or dreadknights.

I'd go with GK because they are an elite army (which means you need less models so less expansive). Don't make your choice only on cost but it helps. Also welcome to Dakka and welcome to 40k!

Well im going with Draigowing for sure, so what should i start of buying after the codex?

Grey Knight Terminators...10 and Draigo...simple

They'll need the apothecary and 4 psycannons.

Wait on gluing the weapons to them until you proxy a bit and see what suits you.

I personally run 2 hammers, 3 swords on the Justicar and 2 psycannon guys, and 5 halberds on everyone else for stock GKTs.

Anyone have specific Paladin input?

Proxy proxy proxy dreadknights and dreadnoughts before you buy them....use beer bottles if you have to!

Those are models you don't want to invest in and then find out you hate.

I personally hate dreadnoughts and love dreadknights...but dreadnoughts tend to suit Draigowing better

Why do you say dreadnoughts suit Draigowing better? i dont play Draigowing myself but am curious.

I would say having more threatning units (DK) would take some of the heat off Draigo & friends

Dual Autocannon Psybolt Dreads for one are cheaper...so you can fit more into a list alongide the massive point suckers that Paladins are.

Also, they give some ranged firepower that can semi-reliably be used as AA as well.

They do take some of the heat off paladins as many S8 stranger danger guns are used to kill them...thereby allowing paladins to live longer...and they get cover easier.

Whats the advantage of a dreadknight over a Dreadnought? I was kinda think the dreadnought but if a dreadknight is a better fit then it dont matter to me.

I would say actually you might like Daemons...Low model count. Lots of psychic powers, lots of big beefy hard to take down beat sticks. Pretty simple to play: rush forward, use psychic powers, smash face.


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also they are more competitive

sorry it sounds like you like GK but its something to consider too.

What I really suggest for any new player (as I am fairly new myself) is find a HQ that you love, and start building a list around them. Get a passion for the leader, research their lore (fluff), their armies lore. That is why Nurgle is my father

Im not big into the Daemons honestly or i would pry choose them, i love Draigo, he is a beast but there is one other HQ i do like also, Mephiston, Lord of Death! lol, I read a little about the Blood Angels last night as i work over night and i like them also, they can shoot ok and like to get in close and personal, and not to mention Mephiston is a animal just like Draigo, and they seem to be a little more competitive atm.

Yeah, BA are a tad more expansive.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Yeah, BA are a tad more expansive.

But are they a good army to start off with to learn the game? They seem like they could be a little more complicated and not to mention alot more expensive, i like the assault marines with the jump packs and the ability to really get after people. And they seem to be a little more strategic also.

Well, BA were my first army!
I didn't find them hard to use at all. Mind you, they are mainly Space Marines +1. You can field a normal Space Marine army with them, but your tanks will be way faster.

I suggest you decide who you find cooler: Mephiston or Draigo.

I like Draigo but everywhere im reading it seems like the Small Elite armies arnt so hot anymore, I dont mind losing some games but i also wanna be able to be competitive and not just constantly rolled over, the guys ill be playing with are pretty experienced. Thats why now im starting to think the Blood Angels may be the way to go cause they have more options than just big paladins getting beat on.

Making this more complicated:

Have you thought of Dark Angels?
They can do lots of terminators, or normal marines, or marines on bikes.

Anyways, Blood Angels. Competetive, fun, fast, in my opinion. Also, do you like dreadnoughts? 'Cause Blood Angels can field lots of them, and have the best of them.

And as for painting, you can make your own chapter that has been made out of Blood Angel genes, so you can do your own colours if you like, or even add some Black Templar and Dark Angel robes

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Making this more complicated:

Have you thought of Dark Angels?
They can do lots of terminators, or normal marines, or marines on bikes.

Anyways, Blood Angels. Competetive, fun, fast, in my opinion. Also, do you like dreadnoughts? 'Cause Blood Angels can field lots of them, and have the best of them.

And as for painting, you can make your own chapter that has been made out of Blood Angel genes, so you can do your own colours if you like, or even add some Black Templar and Dark Angel robes

Id either like to do Blood Angels or Grey Knights and now due to Competitiveness im eliminating the Knights and going with blood angels, yes i like Dreadnoughts, Assault Marines, Tanks, and of course Mephiston, My own colors would be pretty sweet and dark angel robes would be awesome!

Well, Blood Angels sound like the thing to do then!

Fast tanks, Land Raiders as transports, tons of awesome dreadnoughts, good assault marines, etc.

Best pick up the rules and codex soon, then

I disagree...due to the prevalence of Hell drakes, 2+ armor is better than ever now. I would say that GK is waaay more competitive than blood angels. The only three imperium armies that I would consider competitive are Space Wolves, IG, and runner up being GK.