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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 23:47:15
Subject: Re:Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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The Hive Mind
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Then I'm having a problem resolving how
Abandon wrote:The general witchfire powers say witchfires are shooting attacks but also state that if they have a listed sub-type to use those rules instead. Beams, Novas and Maelstroms do not state that they are shooting attacks so I say they can.
My opinion on this is rather unpopular though and your likely to have to go along with the common opinion of no.
Can co-exist with
Q: Can a Tyranid Broodlord (which has BS 0) use a witchfire psychic power that doesn’t require a roll To Hit? If not, is he able to re-roll the psychic power because he cannot use it? (p40)
A: No to both questions.
Your opinion (that has no rules basis) is that a Broodlord can use Beams, Novas and Maelstroms and the FAQ explicitly denies that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 23:51:00
Subject: Re:Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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rigeld2 wrote:Then I'm having a problem resolving how
Abandon wrote:The general witchfire powers say witchfires are shooting attacks but also state that if they have a listed sub-type to use those rules instead. Beams, Novas and Maelstroms do not state that they are shooting attacks so I say they can.
My opinion on this is rather unpopular though and your likely to have to go along with the common opinion of no.
Can co-exist with
Q: Can a Tyranid Broodlord (which has BS 0) use a witchfire psychic power that doesn’t require a roll To Hit? If not, is he able to re-roll the psychic power because he cannot use it? (p40)
A: No to both questions.
Your opinion (that has no rules basis) is that a Broodlord can use Beams, Novas and Maelstroms and the FAQ explicitly denies that.
You are the only one arguing here so if your trying to win... have fun with that.
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-It is not the strongest of the Tyranids that survive but the ones most adaptive to change. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 23:55:29
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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The Hive Mind
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No, I'm truly curious how you can reconcile your opinion with that FAQ given that you said you don't ignore the FAQ.
I'm not arguing anything - even if you see the BRB as a grey area, the FAQ is absolutely clear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 00:05:39
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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rigeld2 wrote:No, I'm truly curious how you can reconcile your opinion with that FAQ given that you said you don't ignore the FAQ.
I'm not arguing anything - even if you see the BRB as a grey area, the FAQ is absolutely clear.
just let it drop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 00:30:41
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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rigeld2 wrote:No, I'm truly curious how you can reconcile your opinion with that FAQ given that you said you don't ignore the FAQ.
I'm not arguing anything - even if you see the BRB as a grey area, the FAQ is absolutely clear.
TY for asking nicely. As I see it, a psychic power with the type Witchfire is defined in the Witchfire section. Literally they tell you which powers are just Witchfires(the ones without a subtype) and the rules for those powers.It also tells us to use different rules for other subtypes. Applying the general rules for witchfires to subtypes with that in mind seems to go against what we are told per RAW and as the FAQ makes no mention of sub-types it seems to me an assumption that it would apply to them.
Of course you point that Witcgfire sub-types are still technically types of Witchfires is quite valid so... what to think?
As I see it either interpretation could be true so I went with what I felt was the more appropriate one considering there are in fact powers with the Witchfire type as opposed to Beams, Novas, etc. and just applied the FAQ to those powers.
That's basically the gist of it and all I will say as I do not wish to repeat a previous thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 10:07:58
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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Abandon wrote:rigeld2 wrote:No, I'm truly curious how you can reconcile your opinion with that FAQ given that you said you don't ignore the FAQ.
I'm not arguing anything - even if you see the BRB as a grey area, the FAQ is absolutely clear.
TY for asking nicely. As I see it, a psychic power with the type Witchfire is defined in the Witchfire section. Literally they tell you which powers are just Witchfires(the ones without a subtype) and the rules for those powers.It also tells us to use different rules for other subtypes. Applying the general rules for witchfires to subtypes with that in mind seems to go against what we are told per RAW and as the FAQ makes no mention of sub-types it seems to me an assumption that it would apply to them.
Of course you point that Witcgfire sub-types are still technically types of Witchfires is quite valid so... what to think?
As I see it either interpretation could be true so I went with what I felt was the more appropriate one considering there are in fact powers with the Witchfire type as opposed to Beams, Novas, etc. and just applied the FAQ to those powers.
That's basically the gist of it and all I will say as I do not wish to repeat a previous thread.
So you step into this thread with false assumptions, ignoring rules and FAQs and when someone challenges your opinion you resort to the "dont want to discuss that" attitiude? Sorry but thats not how it works. Of course people will challenge your interpretation if it is disregarding actual rules. If you dont want to discuss them dont make baseless assumptions - people could read that and think you are right.
If you houserule that a model with BS0 is able to shoot witchfires than fine. But dont try to advertise your houserule to be the correct interpretation when it is clearly proven that you are wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 10:08:55
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yet Novas are witchfire powers, that is true. So the FAQ applies
You are, literally, ignoring the FAQ if you allow a BS0 model to use any witchfire power that does not roll to hit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 19:37:26
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Regular Dakkanaut
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They fethed up when they made the powers. If a BL like most other models could re roll the spells he could not use it would become very likely he would get the haywire grenade spell every time.
Also. Rigeld2 you don't need to prove someone wrong and bump a post. PM him next time you want to have a dick measuring contest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 20:42:49
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Stormbreed wrote:
Also. Rigeld2 you don't need to prove someone wrong and bump a post. PM him next time you want to have a dick measuring contest.
Seconded!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 22:43:59
Subject: Broodlords and Maelstroms and Novas
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Mywik wrote: Abandon wrote:rigeld2 wrote:No, I'm truly curious how you can reconcile your opinion with that FAQ given that you said you don't ignore the FAQ.
I'm not arguing anything - even if you see the BRB as a grey area, the FAQ is absolutely clear.
TY for asking nicely. As I see it, a psychic power with the type Witchfire is defined in the Witchfire section. Literally they tell you which powers are just Witchfires(the ones without a subtype) and the rules for those powers.It also tells us to use different rules for other subtypes. Applying the general rules for witchfires to subtypes with that in mind seems to go against what we are told per RAW and as the FAQ makes no mention of sub-types it seems to me an assumption that it would apply to them.
Of course you point that Witcgfire sub-types are still technically types of Witchfires is quite valid so... what to think?
As I see it either interpretation could be true so I went with what I felt was the more appropriate one considering there are in fact powers with the Witchfire type as opposed to Beams, Novas, etc. and just applied the FAQ to those powers.
That's basically the gist of it and all I will say as I do not wish to repeat a previous thread.
So you step into this thread with false assumptions, ignoring rules and FAQs and when someone challenges your opinion you resort to the "dont want to discuss that" attitiude? Sorry but thats not how it works. Of course people will challenge your interpretation if it is disregarding actual rules. If you dont want to discuss them dont make baseless assumptions - people could read that and think you are right.
If you houserule that a model with BS0 is able to shoot witchfires than fine. But dont try to advertise your houserule to be the correct interpretation when it is clearly proven that you are wrong.
Actually you quoted the explanation... which was heavily inquired about...This was already covered on another thread and as I said. You can look it up if you wish, all my points were already made and I don't care to repeat them again. If you're not willing to put in the effort to look it up then I see no reason to assist you. Please have a good day.
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