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I have a tricky combo I'm thinking about testing out that would involve turn-one deep striking.
But just to make sure everything is kosher beforehand, what would and what wouldn't I be able to reroll with the Harbinger of Eternity's Chronometron during the deep strike process?

You can't.
The Chrono re-rolls a single die. You must re-roll both dice and the scatter die when resolving deep strike scatter.

^^ What he said.

Scatter dice, charge distances, difficult terrain and Leadership tests are the only things that cannot be affected by the chronometron, as they all require both dice to be rerolled.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
^^ What he said.

Scatter dice, charge distances, difficult terrain and Morale tests are the only things that cannot be affected by the chronometron, as they all require both dice to be rerolled.

I wouldn't say "the only" (and you should change "Morale" to "Leadership") and difficult terrain absolutely can be re-rolled (well, one of the two).

rigeld2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
^^ What he said.

Scatter dice, charge distances, difficult terrain and Morale tests are the only things that cannot be affected by the chronometron, as they all require both dice to be rerolled.

I wouldn't say "the only" (and you should change "Morale" to "Leadership") and difficult terrain absolutely can be re-rolled (well, one of the two).

Ok, will do.

Can't think of any instance where you are allowed to reroll 1 of the DT die. I know fleet allows you to reroll one of the charge die, but that rule explicitly says you can.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
^^ What he said.

Scatter dice, charge distances, difficult terrain and Morale tests are the only things that cannot be affected by the chronometron, as they all require both dice to be rerolled.

I wouldn't say "the only" (and you should change "Morale" to "Leadership") and difficult terrain absolutely can be re-rolled (well, one of the two).

Ok, will do.

Can't think of any instance where you are allowed to reroll 1 of the DT die. I know fleet allows you to reroll one of the charge die, but that rule explicitly says you can.

DT isn't a 2d6 roll, it's rather explicitly two d6. Note the difference.

Page 5 states the player must re-roll all the dice, unless the special rule about re-rolling tells you otherwise. The Chrono. grants permission to re-roll a single D6. This does not mean it can not be used on rolls that will involve multiple dice, because it fits the page 5's exception. This special rule is specifically telling the player to re-roll one D6, hence they have permission to re-roll just one D6 even if it is a D6 used in a 2D6 or a 3D6 roll.

The problem the opening poster faces is the whole 'being on the board' thing. To be able to use this ability the model would need to be on the table first. Truthfully I'm not exactly sure where that is written that a model needs to be on the table to use special abilities. However a lot of people will be up in arms if one was to try and use special rules while still in reserve, even if it doesn't involve measuring distances, unless the rule states specifically it can be used so. So I just assume at this point I over looked a FAQ or a paragraph somewhere. PS: Can someone tell me where that line of text actually is, please?

Still back to the problem at hand. As the only time models come onto the table during deep strike is right at the end, when they are physically placed, this special rule can not be evoked till then. Unless the Chronometron has a special rule allowing it to be used during deep strike, and I know it does not, then the Nekron player can not evoke the rule till their models are on the table. At that point, it is a little bit too late to change the scatter dice, but it could still be use it to change dangerous terrain results.

JinxDragon wrote:
This special rule is specifically telling the player to re-roll one D6, hence they have permission to re-roll just one D6 even if it is a D6 used in a 2D6 or a 3D6 roll.

No. The Chrono says that it can re-roll a single d6 roll. Not a single d6 out of a multi-d6 roll.

Using the Chrono from reserve is fine. Using it on scatter rolls is not.

you can reroll one of your armor saves for DSing into dangerous terrain.

Ridgeld2,

You know what, I can see it going either way as it does say re-roll a D6 and not re-roll a single dice. Arguments have been formed over less, and this one would come down if you believe rolling a single D6 is the same as rolling a single six sided dice. It would take more energy then I have to research every instance of re-rolling a D6 or single six sided dice that could exist in all the rules and all the FAQ's. I'll leave that to younger players who have far more time on their hands then I do now.

What about needing to be on the battlefield to use a special rule?

That has constantly been used in arguments, both here and elsewhere. This clearly shows it is well held belief that a model need to be in play, as in physically on the board, before you can evoke special rules related to said model. I have been trying to find where this stems from, believing I have overlooked some rule or FAQ like usual, so you might be able to assist me with some of your own insight on the matter.

rigeld2 wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
This special rule is specifically telling the player to re-roll one D6, hence they have permission to re-roll just one D6 even if it is a D6 used in a 2D6 or a 3D6 roll.

No. The Chrono says that it can re-roll a single d6 roll. Not a single d6 out of a multi-d6 roll.

Using the Chrono from reserve is fine. Using it on scatter rolls is not.

Citation needed. You have permission to reroll a d6, where does this restriction come from?

There is no restrictions of having to reroll all the scatter dice.

You can use the chronometer to reroll either one of the 2d6, just not the scatter die itself.

JinxDragon wrote:
Ridgeld2,

You know what, I can see it going either way as it does say re-roll a D6 and not re-roll a single dice. Arguments have been formed over less, and this one would come down if you believe rolling a single D6 is the same as rolling a single six sided dice.

Which was essentially the argument that was laid out and has no basis. And you're probably not much older than many other people here.

What about needing to be on the battlefield to use a special rule?

That has constantly been used in arguments, both here and elsewhere. This clearly shows it is well held belief that a model need to be in play, as in physically on the board, before you can evoke special rules related to said model. I have been trying to find where this stems from, believing I have overlooked some rule or FAQ like usual, so you might be able to assist me with some of your own insight on the matter.

It comes down to the wording of the ability. For example, Hive Commander just mentions being alive.

Thanks,

I will keep that in mind in the future if it becomes an issue. It is very rare though, as most special abilities only come into play within certain situations. Bit hard to meet those conditions when the model isn't on the table to begin with, so maybe that is where the general idea comes from. Instead of realizing the conditional special rule are the exception, the fact they are in the majority lead people to assume they are the normal. Not really important in any case, just trying to figure out where it could stem from and that doesn't have a purpose past curiosity. I can think of more then a handful of special rules that could come into play, which are on models that would benefit more from staying safe in reserves for as long as possible. Might even have to ponder using them in such a method, at some point.

In any case, I withdraw the whole 'can only be used on the table' statement.

So just to confirm:
the only way Obyron (who would start ON the table, not be coming in from reserves, btw) would be able to have the Chronometron reroll a die during the Veiling/deep strike process is for the Mishap roll.
He can NOT reroll the-
-scatter die
-one of the two D6 die used for the scatter

Correct?

Correct.

Exactly. The rules for re-rolls clearly distinguish a "d6 roll" as being a separate beast from a "2d6 roll" or "3d6 roll", and they also state that you may never re-roll one die out of a multi-d6 roll unless the special rule in question explicitly grants permission. Fleet, for example, does. The Chronometron does not.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Exactly. The rules for re-rolls clearly distinguish a "d6 roll" as being a separate beast from a "2d6 roll" or "3d6 roll", and they also state that you may never re-roll one die out of a multi-d6 roll unless the special rule in question explicitly grants permission. Fleet, for example, does. The Chronometron does not.

Can you cite that in the book? Been looking on page 10 as others have suggested and other pages associated with characteristic tests (pg 7) and even Twin-Linking and not seeing anywhere that explicitly states that 2d6 must be rerolled completely or not at all outside of things like fleet. Ok with either ruling but I don't see that.

I also do not see where a Chronometron allows you to reroll things like reserve rolls or deep striking mishaps. Reserve states that it happens at the beginning of the turn and not at the beginning of the movement phase. I would interpret this as Reserve-related rolls being done out of phase.


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Nvm - found the "re-rolling all" rule on page 5.

So still am questioning the reserve-related rolls

Fateweavers re roll specfically says about 2d6 and 3d6 for reference.

There is no out of phase, start of turn is movement phase