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My local group is composed of new and experienced players. To get the new guys (including me) up to speed we are playing 1000pts games. There are Tau, Eldar, Chaos, Necron, Gaurd, BT, BA, Nids, DE and SW opponants so my lists have to be versitile...but I care more about fun to play lists overall. I have tried a few other configurations and this is my latest attempt. I have about 2500pts of Orks so feel free to suggest models that are not listed here. Stratagy tips for this list would be great too! Thanks ahead of time for your help/input.

Big Mek- KFF
20 Slugga Boyz- Nob PK,BP

20 Shoota Boyz- Nob PK,BP
Battlewagon- Deffrolla,RPJ

8 Nobz- Painboy,2 PK,2 BC
Trukk

3 Killa Kanz

11 Grotz

The idea is to give opponant 3 targets and make him choose one of Kanz, BW or Trukk while running sluggas up with KFF.

Cheers

Bon Chance! ST

the most deadly 1k lists for orks tend to be the greentide
and the battlewagon rush, you can get in 3 groups of 20 shoota boyz into 3 battlewagons

I only have 1 BW as of now, I know I need more....expensive models Would the 3 BW rush be seen as a cheesy list? We are RL friends and co-workers, I don't want to be TFG. Please keep comments and advice comming

 Waaagh-a-Licious wrote:
I only have 1 BW as of now, I know I need more....expensive models Would the 3 BW rush be seen as a cheesy list? We are RL friends and co-workers, I don't want to be TFG. Please keep comments and advice comming

It wouldnt be cheesy as orks are one of the armies with least cheese there is A battlewagon can be one shoted by a melta shot or a lascannon shot, most setups from orks tend to be for the fun lvl rather than competive.
Even if they are armor 14 front they got rear armor 10 and a side of 12 wich can be taken down in closecombat str 4

I played it once against Chaos space marines and we had a fun game, lucky i won on linebreaker =), (helldrakes are sum pesky turkeys!)

At a thousand points a chest irk list would look something like this. Maybe:

3x15 Lootas
3x8 grot Arty w/ kannons or zap
Big mek w/kff
Fill with grots or shootas

especially without tau players

Cheesy is most typically seen as spam most times and typically has only a few hard counters, in this case drop pod flammers and tau.

So three bw at 1k might be, however your list is very diverse and has multiple weaknesses and strengths. Might I recommend switching the choppas and shootas. It will give a 4th threat. Though the shoottas are more effective in the bw they can still be a threat with their range and choppas can be ignored mostly til other threats are taken out, but if every thing moves up together or the bw/choppas moves 12 it will give a turn for your nobs to move into place instead of being shot of their truck.

I had not thought about switching them around, makes sense the way you explained it. Making my 3 pronged into 4 since they were probably just moving flat out up the board anyways. Cheers!, and keep the advice coming please

Your list looks like a lot of fun ..
Swap the Shoota Boys out of the wagon and the slugga boyz into it ...SRun the Trukk and the Wagon into charge..
March the Shoota Boyz and the Kanz together with the Mek in the middle ..(the Kanz can help the Shoota Boyz and the Shoota boiyz can help the Kanz..these guys are going to dominate the middle of the board
BTW do the Grotz have a runtherd??

With the nobz id try adding a waaagh banner, +1 ws for 15 points you will be taking less wounds on ur nobz while dishing out more. also if you dont have battle wagons split your 20 boyz into 2 groups of 12 with a nob and pk and put them in trukks if you can,

one thing ive found bout nobz in a small game is that they can soak up alot of points fast, 8 nobz and a painboy without upgrades is almost 1/5th of ur army in points add pk's and everything else might be to many points for one squad in a small match might be better to just take more boyz, always experiment in fun games try different things and see what you enjoy, lootas and looted wagons are great anti infantry but make big targets (and looted wagons die easy, but i still love stealing my buddies favorite tank and orking it out for the boom gun)

idk bout hte 11 grots either grots are cheap easy units but ive never seen them earn their points either.

ps beware flame templates and tanks, outside of melee you dont seem to have alot of anti tanks so you wil have to get in close to use your powerclaws but if htey have a few flamers on board they can deal pretty heavy casualties to you from shooting and d3 hits per flamer on overwatch adds up quickly

The grots in this list have no offensive ability, they are simply hiding until end game to grab objectives I'm sure. Plus they are filling points.

Thanks for the good advice all! Played the list last night and did really well Was up against Nids and he was deep striking about half his bugs. Kans and shootas stormed up the middle, truck on one side, BW on the other with grotz sitting on my side's objective. The 3/4 pronged idea worked, he concentrated on the truck nobs at first while the Kanz sat on/blocked centre objective and BW and Boyz tore up lots of bug face

The Ork Gods smiled on my dice and the Godless bugs had not much luck with their dice. Overall I had fun with my list and that is the main point. I get that I won the luck aspect and do feel that this list could use a bit of tweeking. Maybe losing the truck Nobz and replacing with Lootaz? Once again thanks for the help and keep it coming if you have more ideas. I will update list and will post others when I need advice/help, should have started posting earlier...

Cheers

Might be worth throwing in a dakkajet or 2.
Anti-air at 1k is pretty low, and it gives you 2 pretty decent vehicles to hunt down any threats on the board.

Awesome glad to hear it worked well for ya, as for lootas, lootas are always nice, lots of shots high enough str for most vehicles and great anti infantry.

How did your Nobz do? I don't see many ork players running big non bike Nob squads anymore.

Also does your Battlewagon have any weapons on it, Deff Rolla doesn't count?

My Nobz did well. They got targeted right away and kept him busy for a couple turns, killed his warrior squad and a big squad of other bugs . The idea was to get the opponent to concentrate on one threat, of his choice, while others rolled across and killed face, he picked the Nobz and it all worked out well for me. My BW had 2 big shootas and a RPJ. I am torn between droping the Nobz for Lootas though....will see...kinda liked Nobz in this list...

Cheers

Lootas are great and they put down a hurt, but they wouldn't really go with the feel of your army the way it is.
That was why I asked about the Nobz, they are a nasty unit when kitted right but costly. If you take lootas yes you gain shooting and anit-air sort of, but you lose one of your prongs. Wrong placement and the lootas lose effectiveness.
It just depnds on what you want to do.
Some other random ideas in place of Nobz
1. Lose the Kanz and have a full Loota squad and Deff Rolla Wagon
2. Same as above with Burnas
3. Get a crap load of Lootas
4. 6 more Kanz. . KANZ!!! I Need More KANZZZZ!!!!
5. Big Gunz and Lootas

Thanx for the ideas and comments. I have a few questions, would you have loaded out the Nobz differently? I like Kanz but am allways hesitant to put lots cause they kinda suck in CC, WS 2 and all. I use them more for their BS 3 shootyness. My main issue I think is arnour 14, whats the best way to deal with it...maybe ignore it? As for the big guns, I don't have any because the stupid model is 30$ for1! I need to build my own or wait for GW to come down from their slow cloud and make a box with 3 for 50ish, then I'll bring the Orktillery to the game.

Cheers


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Just found out my next game with this list is against Blood Angels. My Deff Skulls will be grabin lots of red bitz off them to make things go faster Any tactical suggestions? Will this list hold up? Is there any thing better to have against them?

Cheers & Thanx

Okay Cheaper Big Gunz..Simple Conversions from the Imperial Guard Heavy Weapon Squads..(you can Make 3 Kannons from the Missle Launchers..3 Zappas from the Lascannons, 3 Lobbas from the mortors ..and still have soem auto cannons and Heavy Bolters leftover for other stuff.. like loota conversions or a flakka gun..or just some big shootas on vehicles..

I just looked at the IG stuff and it does look like an easy conversion! Thanx, will have to pick some up

Another crushing victory against BT I will play another game tonight with this list and then change it up a bit. The feeling I have now is that it is strong but not very Orky...I guess I miss my weirdboy / SAG type models.

Cheers

only real thing id change on the nobz is i might give them a waaagh banner. 15 points for +1 ws to the squad is pretty good as most armies will be hitting you on 5's and you on 3's will keep your nobs alive longer in melee and dishing out more hurt, and as for av14 at 1000 points you probably wont see many and when you do, your 2 pk's on the charge are str 9 4 hits each (auto hits if it didn't move) you can wreck av 14 pretty fast that way.

For some reason my orks always seen to roll lucky. I think it's die to numbers of dice. So don't worry on that part. I make more 5++ than 3+.

Also, orks trend to game very unfluffy it seems, competitively at least. But then most armies do, though there are a few exceptions.

@morrfid that's a great idea, I didn't think of that, got to get a couple guard heavy weapons teams now.

Thank for the tips once again. I will try the banner next time around, and my local store did not have the Guard HWS...

So I had my handed to me be by Space Wolves last night. The dice Gods were not on my side, but holy crap load of special Spacedog special rules! I do not like fighting them, next time I think the answer is green tide to counter all those extra attacks and rerolls Spacepuppies have. So for this list here is the update, removed a few little things to get banner;

Big Mek- KFF
20 Shoota Boyz- Nob PK,BP

20 Slugga Boyz- Nob PK,BP
Battlewagon- Deffrolla,RPJ

8 Nobz- Painboy,2 PK,2 BC, Waaagh Banner
Trukk

3 Killa Kanz

11 Grotz

Cheers

All wagons or none IMO. I'd first shoot the trukk. Force a retreat (lack of BP) then wagon then Kanz. You gave three targets but an order in which to kill them too. YMMV.


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All wagons or none IMO. I'd first shoot the trukk. Force a retreat (lack of BP) then wagon then Kanz. You gave three targets but an order in which to kill them too. YMMV.

To deal with anti air, you could invest in an ageis defense line with quad gun or lascannnon and sit your BS 3 grots in there to take down flyers.