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 Breotan wrote:
Seattle beat the 49ers like baby seals.

I'll just leave this "happy dance" gif here for your viewing pleasure.

That cheerleader's from my high school.

While the Browns are setting Hoyer up for the qb position on Sunday, Trent Richardson will not be wearing the orange and brown. Browns just traded him to the Indianapolis colts for their first round pick.

yeah, just saw that. crazy stuff.

Well, the Browns have officially squandered all the benefits they received from the Julio Jones trade.

I don't know what their plan is.

Stock up on draft picks and move to LA maybe?

Do they even have anyone else to run the ball? It's not like they're throwing it.

DogofWar1 wrote:Well, the Browns have officially squandered all the benefits they received from the Julio Jones trade.

I don't know what their plan is.

Stock up on draft picks and move to LA maybe?

I'm trying to figure out what benefits we had in the first place? Trent Richardson is garbage, he's a terrible runner that doesn't know how to hit the hole, he thinks that staying upright longer means he's doing a good job at his position, and oh right, HE DOESN'T MOVE THE BALL FORWARD. I'm glad to be rid of Mr. 3.4 yards a carry.

Redbeard wrote:Do they even have anyone else to run the ball? It's not like they're throwing it.

Bobby Rainey, who I have no idea how good he is, but assuming he knows his job is to go forward, he can't be worse than Trent.

Man this is crazy, are the browns going for clowney? It makes you think that their HAS to be something more to it? Either something where the browns are moving or they disliked Richardsons attitude or something that much.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Man this is crazy, are the browns going for clowney? It makes you think that their HAS to be something more to it? Either something where the browns are moving or they disliked Richardsons attitude or something that much.

Clowney?

And there are two trains of thought in the Cleveland Sports Scene:
1) The Browns front office is intentionally gakking on this season to get a better draft pick in the first round, a draft in which they already get a few nice picks due to missing out on some players this year.
2) The front office is actually attempting to win by removing players that aren't producing. Greg Little, the guy who can't catch a ball to save his life, was benched this week as a starting receiver. If the coaching staff is serious, they should make him inactive this week.

Jadeveon(sp?) clowney seems to be the prize at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box this year. Or so says every draft person I trust.

 Alfndrate wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:Well, the Browns have officially squandered all the benefits they received from the Julio Jones trade.

I don't know what their plan is.

Stock up on draft picks and move to LA maybe?

I'm trying to figure out what benefits we had in the first place? Trent Richardson is garbage, he's a terrible runner that doesn't know how to hit the hole, he thinks that staying upright longer means he's doing a good job at his position, and oh right, HE DOESN'T MOVE THE BALL FORWARD. I'm glad to be rid of Mr. 3.4 yards a carry.

Redbeard wrote:Do they even have anyone else to run the ball? It's not like they're throwing it.

Bobby Rainey, who I have no idea how good he is, but assuming he knows his job is to go forward, he can't be worse than Trent.

"doesn't know how to hit the hole, he thinks that staying upright longer means he's doing a good job at his position" My ex said something like this once.. I was confused *shrug*

On topic, my entire neighborhood was going ape S during the Hawks/49ers game, could hear cheering from all over the place on my porch. Go Hawks!

Wow.... talk about messed up.

Key info...

Instead, Richardson learned he would be joining a new team on the radio.

“Yeah, I found out on the radio,” Richardson said during an interview with 19 Action News in Cleveland. “Actually, one of my friends called me. He was like, ‘You got traded?’ I was like, ‘Man, shut up talking to me. Get off my phone.’ I turned on the radio, and all of a sudden I heard, ‘Cleveland Browns running back has been traded to the Colts.’ It just hit me in my face like I can’t believe … I didn’t see it coming. I had good relations with everybody. I guess it’s the best for the Browns. At the end of the day, it’s the best move for both of us, I guess. I want to be a Brown. I didn’t see it coming, but at the same time, I’m a Colt now, so I got to move on get ready for Sunday’s game.”

 helgrenze wrote:
Wow.... talk about messed up.

Key info...

Instead, Richardson learned he would be joining a new team on the radio.

“Yeah, I found out on the radio,” Richardson said during an interview with 19 Action News in Cleveland. “Actually, one of my friends called me. He was like, ‘You got traded?’ I was like, ‘Man, shut up talking to me. Get off my phone.’ I turned on the radio, and all of a sudden I heard, ‘Cleveland Browns running back has been traded to the Colts.’ It just hit me in my face like I can’t believe … I didn’t see it coming. I had good relations with everybody. I guess it’s the best for the Browns. At the end of the day, it’s the best move for both of us, I guess. I want to be a Brown. I didn’t see it coming, but at the same time, I’m a Colt now, so I got to move on get ready for Sunday’s game.”

He was in Indy this morning, Colts tweeted out a picture of him in their training facility.

And yeah, I'll agree... major feth up on the Browns part by not letting him know about him being traded.

Oh well, at least he's not playing for

Trent Richardson wrote:the Pittsburgh Steelers, [who] is one of the goodest organizations out there.

It astounds me he graduated with a better GPA than I did.

Man... I'm sorry alf, but this looks like a reboot/rebuild year such that the front office is surrendering this season.

Is there a quarterback that the Browns is targeting next year? Is Manziel eligible?

Manziel is a soph. this year, so he's not available for early draft until next year. The consensus best-player coming out this year is Jadeveon Clowney, a DE.

 Redbeard wrote:
Manziel is a soph. this year, so he's not available for early draft until next year. The consensus best-player coming out this year is Jadeveon Clowney, a DE.

Yeesh... in that case, I'd have the Browns trade down to get as many picks as possible.

 whembly wrote:
Man... I'm sorry alf, but this looks like a reboot/rebuild year such that the front office is surrendering this season.

Is there a quarterback that the Browns is targeting next year? Is Manziel eligible?

1) It's a building year, since we didn't have anything built

2) There are 4 QBs that are being talked about by Cleveland sports talk radio
----- Teddy Bridgewater (Louisville)
----- Tahj Boyd (Clemson)
----- Brett Hundley (UCLA) - Mike Lombardi visited UCLA this week
----- Johnny Football (Texas A&M) - Most talking heads agree that Manziel is good at the College level, but he doesn't have it for the NFL

Edit: Redbeard, Johnny Football could declare himself for the draft. The restriction is that he must be 3 years removed from high school. Johnny is currently 20 (turns 21) in December. So it's been 3 years since his class left high school. He was redshirted during the 2011 season.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Man... I'm sorry alf, but this looks like a reboot/rebuild year such that the front office is surrendering this season.

Is there a quarterback that the Browns is targeting next year? Is Manziel eligible?

1) It's a building year, since we didn't have anything built

2) There are 4 QBs that are being talked about by Cleveland sports talk radio
----- Teddy Bridgewater (Louisville)
----- Tahj Boyd (Clemson)
----- Brett Hundley (UCLA) - Mike Lombardi visited UCLA this week
----- Johnny Football (Texas A&M) - Most talking heads agree that Manziel is good at the College level, but he doesn't have it for the NFL

What about AJ McCarron or Aaron Murray?

McCarron generally comes up as a counter to Manziel. As in, "I'd rather have McCarron than Manziel" but no nothing on those guys.

So.. on the FFL front... They adjusted Mike Vick's stats from last week, meaning that Kronk only won by 0.96 points.... Less than one point. One less Sack or one more reception.....

So what do you guys think? Is KC for real this year? I want to believe because I really have some sentiment for them. But they've let me down so hard the last few years lol.

Andy Reid is a helluva coach, and Alex Smith is a competent QB. They've already eclipsed the win total from last year, so I think, at the worst, they're looking at 8 wins.

The factory of sadness in Cleveland is alive and well on my FB page with all my Cleveland fiends. I don't know how much bigger they could have taken a gak on the season. I mean, I guess they could be tanking, but in game 2?? And for only a first round pick, which is going to be a late pick anyway ? Amazing. gak, the Bengals got a 1st and 3rd rounder for friggin Carson Palmer 3 years ago.

As to Menziel.... Unless josh McRoberts is drafting, isn't going to go in the first round. Boyd and Bridgewater will certainly go before him, and that kid out of Flordia State that's throwing like, 90% is catching a lot of eyes too. Manziel is short (which Russel Wilson and Drew Brees have proven doesn't have to be a problem) but he's not nearly as intelligent or as food a leader as those two.

 cincydooley wrote:

The factory of sadness in Cleveland is alive and well on my FB page with all my Cleveland fiends. I don't know how much bigger they could have taken a gak on the season. I mean, I guess they could be tanking, but in game 2?? And for only a first round pick, which is going to be a late pick anyway ? Amazing. gak, the Bengals got a 1st and 3rd rounder for friggin Carson Palmer 3 years ago.

I dunno, one of the better analysts at espn was suggesting that the Browns got the better end of the deal and that if they were going to trade him (because they know something about his production that maybe the rest of us don't), this was the right time to do it, when they could get the most value for it, and before that weakness became apparent.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/75160/the-browns-hit-reset-again-with-an-unprecedented-trade

P.S. Barnwell may well be the best NFL writer I've read in ages, his columns are regularly in-depth and informative.

Trent Richardson has SERIOUS flaws as a running back and the Browns got the better end of that deal.

The thing is you will almost see an immediate improvement in Trent's stats in Indy because he'll fit in better with their down range passing scheme, as people will be attempting to defend their wide receivers, Trent will most likely be getting sweeps and short slants into that open ground which will likely end up giving him 6 yards a catch.

Also Browns signed Willis McGahee yesterday, Brandon Weeden won't need surgery on his thumb, so he might be back for week 4.

The Browns still handed out a signing bonus of $13.3 million to a guy who was on the roster just a year.

McGahee could be a good fit for the browns if he can stay healthy

McGahee seems a bit worn down. He might look good for a few games as his legs will be relatively fresher than those who went through camp and the preseason, but give him 4 games and I don't think he'll look too good.

As for the signing bonus thing - yeah, that hurts them, but not as much as you think. They take a lot of the cap hit this year, and it's off the books at the end of next year. I don't think actual cash is nearly the issue for NFL teams as cap cash, and this year's roster is fairly set, so losing cap space this year is not a factor.

 Redbeard wrote:
P.S. Barnwell may well be the best NFL writer I've read in ages, his columns are regularly in-depth and informative.

Couldn't agree more about Barnwell. He's thoughtful and fantastic. I still have trouble believing the Browns got the better end of this deal. Lets assume that Richardson was vastly overdrafted by the Browns (he was IMO) and let's assume his real value is as, say, a 15-20th pick. That falls around in line with where the Colts pick will be, maybe a bit later. So from that end, it isn't terrible. But we've gotta look at two things:

1 - Browns fans put up with like, anything, and they feel completely gak on by this trade. Sure, there's a lot of rationalizing going on right now, but trading Richardson AND starting your 3rd String QB over your purported 2nd stringer is like gettin slapped with a wet surrender towel right in the nuts. Or at least that's how it sounds on FB. I think the McGahee signing could help alieviate that a bit, but if Richardson had trouble running in Cleveland, I can't imagine Willis (whom I like very much) is going to do much better.

2 - The Bengals got a 1st and 3rd rounder from Oakland for Carson Palmer, a wobbly, hobbly QB that, for all intents and purposes, is washed up. Sure, he can throw for 300 in the West Coast, but during that 300 you're almost guranteed to get 2-4 receptions to the other team (re: interceptions). This makes that trade look REAAAAAAALLLLY bad, as Richardson SHOULD HAVE warranted at least another mid to late round pick.

@Alf - I don't watch as much Browns football as you do, I'm sure, but what are Richardson's "serious flaws." He hasn't proven to be 'injury prone"-- he had one nagging injury and still rushed for 1000 yards...in CLEVELAND! He's big, he's fast, and he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's a bit stiff as a runner, but behind a decent offensive line (Which indy has) and with a good passing game (which indy has) what's to prevent him from being an 11 TD guy with 4 ypc?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
P.S. Barnwell may well be the best NFL writer I've read in ages, his columns are regularly in-depth and informative.

Couldn't agree more about Barnwell. He's thoughtful and fantastic. I still have trouble believing the Browns got the better end of this deal. Lets assume that Richardson was vastly overdrafted by the Browns (he was IMO) and let's assume his real value is as, say, a 15-20th pick. That falls around in line with where the Colts pick will be, maybe a bit later. So from that end, it isn't terrible. But we've gotta look at two things:

Colts are predicted to do poorly this year and as such get the 6th or 7th pick. I agree that 15 to 20 is probably where they'll end up, but 60% of the time they're projected to be like 5-11.

1 - Browns fans put up with like, anything, and they feel completely gak on by this trade. Sure, there's a lot of rationalizing going on right now, but trading Richardson AND starting your 3rd String QB over your purported 2nd stringer is like gettin slapped with a wet surrender towel right in the nuts. Or at least that's how it sounds on FB. I think the McGahee signing could help alieviate that a bit, but if Richardson had trouble running in Cleveland, I can't imagine Willis (whom I like very much) is going to do much better.

Actually the only Browns fans I see outraged are those that feel they know a lot more about football than they do. I feel fairly competent with my football knowledge, and I feel like the Browns made out like a bandit. Currently we have like 11 picks in the 2014 draft. What will most likely happen is that we will combine this pick and our first round pick to get the first overall pick and get the QB we want/need (assuming we don't already have it ). The decision to take Hoyer over Campbell was in my opinion not a sign of the front office taking a crap on the season, but basically saying, "Honestly our starting quarterback doesn't look all that great anyways, so it doesn't matter who's taking the snaps." But with that being said, Campbell barely sniffed the field during the pre-season, Hoyer played well during the Bears game, and at the same time, Campbell did terribly against the Ravens last Sunday. To me, it truly doesn't matter who is QB, as long as they can move down the field and generate points.

@Alf - I don't watch as much Browns football as you do, I'm sure, but what are Richardson's "serious flaws." He hasn't proven to be 'injury prone"-- he had one nagging injury and still rushed for 1000 yards...in CLEVELAND! He's big, he's fast, and he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's a bit stiff as a runner, but behind a decent offensive line (Which indy has) and with a good passing game (which indy has) what's to prevent him from being an 11 TD guy with 4 ypc?

Trent is stocky like a DnD dwarf, but he's not naturally stocky. His parents aren't built like that, so for Trent to be the wall of muscle he is, he's putting 'unnecessary' strain on his frame to achieve the build that he has achieved. Honestly he looks more like a Space Marine than a running back (just shorter ). He's fast and he can catch, which situated him better last year in our 'west coast' offense. Those short, quick passes allowed Trent to excel, which I attribute to his 11 TDs but his less than 1000 rushing yards, in this 'vertical passing scheme' an efficient runner that can earn 4 yards per carry (though I'd rather have 5 yards I know that's wishful thinking) means that even if we focus on passing defenses have to be wary of the run because it's still a threat. Trent usually starts off 'explosively' gaining 8 to 12 yards on a run, and then it drops to 2 yards, 2 yards, 2 yards, etc... Once the run gets shut down the Browns office collapses because they know that we can't pass but yet we have to pass. Trent also has the penchant for not hitting the hole. The offensive line can open up a hole 5 miles wide and Trent will still run towards the sidelines and attempt to sweep around the side, which by the time he gets to the line of scrimmage half the defense is already on him. Most of us know that the SEC is dominant in college football with Alabama generally up near the top. Being an alum of 'bama, one would think that Trent would be fantastic in the NFL. Sadly there are two games against LSU that Trent Richardson looked like garbage, and those in my mind are the most telling games and how he would perform in the NFL. So to boil it all back down here is why I don't think Trent Richardson is a good running back:
1) Built like a mack truck but not on a mack truck frame (stocky but not naturally stocky)
2) Doesn't hit the hole, likes to sweep to the sides
3) Has difficulty against decent defenses (visible against the LSU game)

I think Trent will benefit greatly from better coaching and an actual passing game with the colts. I've decided my official stance is this was a good trade for both sides. I won't say great because I think the browns could have gotten more out of it but oh we'll.

 cincydooley wrote:

1 - Browns fans put up with like, anything, and they feel completely gak on by this trade.

Oh waaaah, someone gak on the Browns fans. Like that hasn't been happening for the last few decades.

2 - The Bengals got a 1st and 3rd rounder from Oakland for Carson Palmer, a wobbly, hobbly QB that, for all intents and purposes, is washed up. Sure, he can throw for 300 in the West Coast, but during that 300 you're almost guranteed to get 2-4 receptions to the other team (re: interceptions). This makes that trade look REAAAAAAALLLLY bad, as Richardson SHOULD HAVE warranted at least another mid to late round pick.

Hey, if you want to compare all trades to all prior trades, then these are all bad, because none of them come close to what the Cowboys got from the Vikings for Hershel Walker. The Raiders overpaying the Bengals for crap talent is a completely separate event than this trade, and has no impact on the valuation either way.

 Redbeard wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

1 - Browns fans put up with like, anything, and they feel completely gak on by this trade.

Oh waaaah, someone gak on the Browns fans. Like that hasn't been happening for the last few decades.

This is part of the reason why I'm not outraged by the trade. If it turns out to be gak then it's business as usual. If it turns out to be good, well then... go Banner!