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Yes it's about time the bears showed up at lambeau!!! Great game though even with no name qb's

So are we still hating on Richie Incognito? There's a lot of mud in this water, and the story isn't really getting any clearer.

 Alfndrate wrote:
So are we still hating on Richie Incognito? There's a lot of mud in this water, and the story isn't really getting any clearer.

Without a doubt.

Gave fans the birdie...among other things.

 whembly wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
So are we still hating on Richie Incognito? There's a lot of mud in this water, and the story isn't really getting any clearer.

Without a doubt.

Gave fans the birdie...among other things.

A bottle was thrown at him, that's why he flipped the birdie.

Like the guy can be a dick to the fans and opposing players, I just think there isn't enough information out atm to condemn him or Jonathon Martin.

meh... he's known for his jackassery as a RAMS...

Here's some old memes...

 whembly wrote:
meh... he's known for his jackassery as a RAMS...

He can be an arse, that's fine, I'm talking about the whole bullying/hazing thing. I admit I was with everyone that was calling his head when the whole thing started, but the story is not as cut and dry as we originally thought.

I'm still blown away the team has sided with incognito over Martin. Obviously I have a different view having been bullied and not being the bullyer like a lot of football players grow up as. But still to side with someone who's clearly racist enough to send racist texts and threatening voicemails and what not is crazy to me. And now we hear almost every player coming out saying its a different culture in the locker room. Well no duh but is that culture working? Nope. I recommend anyone who hasn't read it to check out tom boswells article in the Washington post recently. It's about what a crapshoot the NFL has turned into and that they aren't beig held accountable at all really.

Edit: for the link.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/richie-incognito-bullying-allegations-are-the-latest-in-long-list-of-nfl-problems/2013/11/06/a29f48a0-46fe-11e3-b6f8-3782ff6cb769_story.html

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Great win for the bears. It was also nice to McClellin and Peppers (and the Pass rush in general) Show up as well as Forte,McCown and the O-Line performing really well.

Also in the FFL Kronk and Byte already have playoff spots

We need confidence points for pick'ems.

Well I'm sitting pretty in 3rd up a game and points to 4th and 5th. And my roster is finally starting to perform. I guess now my theory really gets put to the test. In that I tried to build my lineup out of guys who will be playing hard till week 16. Didn't want anyone that would be "resting" or whatever.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm still blown away the team has sided with incognito over Martin.

Not being part of the team, I have no insight or belief which way they should side. As an outsider, the fact that they're siding with Incognito over Martin tells me one of two things.

Either: Martin is a crybaby and whatever it was that Incognito was doing is par for the course in an NFL locker-room (which is not necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn't want it at my office, but I wouldn't want to be hit by a 250 pound linebacker at my job either. Different jobs have different acceptable cultures.)

or

Incognito is such a significantly better football player than Martin that his teammates would rather he be back playing and giving them the best chance to win games, and are willing to overlook his bad behaviour to get him back.

But still to side with someone who's clearly racist enough to send racist texts and threatening voicemails and what not is crazy to me.

I don't really buy into the idea that because someone uses a word, they must be racist. You have to put it in the context of whatever social dynamic there is going on there. Not something I'd be comfortable saying, but I know groups that toss it around without ill intent. You have to remember that something like 90% of NFL players are African-American. I doubt someone who was really racist would survive for long in that environment.

And now we hear almost every player coming out saying its a different culture in the locker room. Well no duh but is that culture working? Nope.

Not sure I agree with this statement either. The culture in the locker room might not be working to produce 100% conventionally upstanding citizens. On the other hand, we only hear about the small percentage of bad apples. Plenty of NFL players do a lot of good in their communities. I'm a software engineer. Other software engineers have done bad things in the past. They run spam-nets, have robbed banks, hacked classified info, etc etc. Now, because 'software engineer' isn't a particularly glamourous job, I'm not really held subject to some widespread belief that my whole profession 'has it wrong'. But that's what's going on with the NFL. For that matter, my suburban white-bread family, has a higher percentage of 'bad apples' than the NFL. Between me and my three brothers, three of us have what you'd expect as reasonable middle-class jobs, and the fourth, raised in the same environment, has substance abuse issues, has spent time in jail, and is generally a mess. Put in the larger context of a society in which 5% of our citizens are incarcerated, I'd say the NFL is doing a better job at producing non-criminals that the society as a whole.

I doubt it's just football either. Baseball players are all on steroids, if you believe what you read, and NBA players are all drug dealers.

Thinking about the thing with Incognito again, I'm reminded of a story from the Bulls heyday:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61933/landing-a-punch-on-michael-jordan

I'm sure this sort of thing happens in every locker-room for every sport. The thing is, Steve Kerr stood up for himself, took a bit of a beating, and the team was stronger for it. Martin whined about it, and now we're all talking about bullying in sports.

Most of that agree with redbeard and could at least imagine a scenario where this is all actually blown out of proportion. And do agree context may play a roll in what incognito was saying. But I am against bullying in any and all circumstances personally. Now where to draw the "bullying" line is a whole other conversation. I had a pretty miserable childhood because of bullying. And "standing up for myself" rarely made it better until I was much older(yes I understand he's an adult) So this whole thing already strikes a chord I guess. And just rubs me the wrong way.

A few things I'd counter with as it pertains to the NFL not having an issue with the law are the crime rates among athletes and especially football players as a whole are much higher than society as a whole. The net is lower because there are only what 1800 total employed NFL players? But the rates were up to double in some cases IIRC. And sure there are a LOT of very very good human beings that are football players. But there are a lot of entitled losers too in a higher concentration.

So idk this whole thing will continue to make me sick either way haha. Add to that everything else, and you can explain away all these things as individual events but it becomes increasingly harder to explain away the whole.

The RAMS just defeated the Colts 38 to 8!

WTF? o.O

This was Tavon Austin's party... over 300 combined yardage.


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The play to send the Bengals/Ravens game into OT was fething insane! Ihedigbo is running laps after this game. If Baltimore loses (doesn't look like it), I'd make him walk home after the game.

 Alfndrate wrote:
The play to send the Bengals/Ravens game into OT was fething insane! Ihedigbo is running laps after this game. If Baltimore loses (doesn't look like it), I'd make him walk home after the game.

And Ravens win. He won't be walking home...

 whembly wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
The play to send the Bengals/Ravens game into OT was fething insane! Ihedigbo is running laps after this game. If Baltimore loses (doesn't look like it), I'd make him walk home after the game.

And Ravens win. He won't be walking home...

I know, I saw it, I'd still make him run laps.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
The play to send the Bengals/Ravens game into OT was fething insane! Ihedigbo is running laps after this game. If Baltimore loses (doesn't look like it), I'd make him walk home after the game.

And Ravens win. He won't be walking home...

I know, I saw it, I'd still make him run laps.

I take it was him who tipped the ball on the hail mary

And Tavon Austins's season highlight reel this year will pretty mush be from this week

Disappointing result for the bears though, damn 2pt conversions

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

And Tavon Austins's season highlight reel this year will pretty mush be from this week

He's just getting started.

I was sitting in the pub with friends and scratching our heads at Klemmens stats (when we first checked he was 5 of 9 210 Yards 2 TDs. that's pretty nuts
If Klemmens keeps that up Austin should get a few more highlights before the end of the season

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
I was sitting in the pub with friends and scratching our heads at Klemmens stats (when we first checked he was 5 of 9 210 Yards 2 TDs. that's pretty nuts
If Klemmens keeps that up Austin should get a few more highlights before the end of the season

He did throw one bomb...

But, the other was was all Tavon's YAC.

The star of that game was really the RAMS defensive front seven.

my confidence in denver winning their 3rd lombardi this season is getting smaller each week.

Honesty, out LT situation is so pitiful may as well keep another LT out there in the TE position to block for manning.

Clark sucks a bag of potatoes.

 whembly wrote:


The RAMS just defeated the Colts 38 to 8!

WTF? o.O

A serious head scratcher that one. The same Colts team that beat the Broncos not so long ago!!

Don't know where this leaves Sam Bradford now... I thought this kid would have the same career trajectory as Andrew Luck is having.

 Robbiedbee wrote:

 whembly wrote:


The RAMS just defeated the Colts 38 to 8!

WTF? o.O

A serious head scratcher that one. The same Colts team that beat the Broncos not so long ago!!

Don't know where this leaves Sam Bradford now... I thought this kid would have the same career trajectory as Andrew Luck is having.

Bradford will be fine... the only reason to get rid of him is his salary.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Also in the FFL Kronk and Byte already have playoff spots

YAY!

Well Ed Reed to the Jets via Free Agency, Arian Foster out fro the season on IR, Texan's season not looking very good at the moment: highlight would have to be Case Keenum.
Actually most of the back-ups this year (Josh McCown, Kris Clemmons, Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassell) have been up to scratch which is a good sign for most teams

I'm looking forward to the Case Keenum era so long as it is also the post-Kubiak era.

Fahk the Chiefs!

I didn't realize I clinched a playoff spot last week lol. See you in the playoffs.

I'd dance round the room, but I'm knackered and off to bed. So much for the Undefeated Chiefs.

Go Broncos!

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I'd dance round the room, but I'm knackered and off to bed. So much for the Undefeated Chiefs.

Go Broncos!

The Chiefs were never as good as their record.