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Hahaha I normally hate those but I've watched that for like 5 minutes now just cracking up. Thank you internet!

KUBIAK FIRED

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293330/article/gary-kubiak-out-as-houston-texans-head-coach

There's already talk of Lovie Smith getting the job, not sure he's a good fit but there's not really any other nfl coaches on the market unless they want to nab one off another team

Kronk should be happy about that.

Can't say I didn't see that one coming after last night. So now the texans will probably have the first pick in the draft and a new regime. Hopefully they can get a good coach because with their talent and a T.Bridgewater or another one of the handful of good QBS coming out this year they could be amazing and perennial challengers.

On an aside rough life for ole Gary. Mini-stroke then fired a month later ;(

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
KUBIAK FIRED

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293330/article/gary-kubiak-out-as-houston-texans-head-coach

There's already talk of Lovie Smith getting the job, not sure he's a good fit but there's not really any other nfl coaches on the market unless they want to nab one off another team

Sucks. Sure it was the right move, but there had to be a better way. If the pick wasn't thrown and they finished with a touchdown...

 Byte wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
KUBIAK FIRED

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293330/article/gary-kubiak-out-as-houston-texans-head-coach

There's already talk of Lovie Smith getting the job, not sure he's a good fit but there's not really any other nfl coaches on the market unless they want to nab one off another team

Sucks. Sure it was the right move, but there had to be a better way. If the pick wasn't thrown and they finished with a touchdown...

Yeah definitely the right move but I personally feel like the pulled the trigger a bit early (ie pre Week 17)
Schaub seemed like he played better than Keenum did though, but their QB position seems a bit messy but the draft and most likely #1 pick should help

In other news Rodgers has been ruled out for the Packers against the Falcons as well as Cutler and Briggs for the Monday night game against the Cowboys

So the FFL playoffs started this week in the dakka league. Good luck to everyone except iamthewalrus(jk good luck )

The weather in Philly is KILLING me.
At least Peterson and Bush aren't hurting me in this match.

Yah it's hilarious in philly right now.

Also rob gronkowski probably done for the season with a blown out everything in his knee. This patriots season has been sweeeeeeeet injury wise. Still 9-3 probably 9-4 after this game is pretty sweet.

Just gonna say... the Vikings were literally robbed of a win by the officiating. Completely blown PI call.

Sounds like what happened to the browns as well. It's just absurdly inconsistent.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Sounds like what happened to the browns as well. It's just absurdly inconsistent.

The refs can go feth themselves hard with the down markers... The Pats should be 9-4, not 10-3. Gakky calling all day long.

Yah I agree aff. On the one hand it sucks to see my team win that way. On the other hand this feels like a make up call for the Carolina game so while I feel your pain it's almost just equalizing things out. Either way pats are 10-3 and your team got robbed.


Edit:blame the NFL I am

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I agree aff. On the one hand it sucks to see my team win that way. On the other hand this feels like a make up call for the Carolina game so while I feel your pain it's almost just equalizing things out. Either way pats are 10-3 and your team got robbed.


Edit:blame the NFL I am

I hope Tom Brady breaks his ankle, or screws up his face in some horrible Boston baked bean or clam chowder incident, just enough to maim him long enough for his super model wife to leave him. That'd be all the karmic justice I need.

With the way this season is going? That's happening in two weeks against the ravens lol. The pats have lost like half a dozen of their best players. To keep winning like this is crazy. It's going to run out of steam eventually I just hope that comes feb. 3'rd.

haha refs for screwing the hell out of the Hawks-Niners game. Fumble? No, we'll BS our way through the explanation. Holding on Niners? No, don't throw the flag.
Dumbasses.

TheSGC wrote:haha refs for screwing the hell out of the Hawks-Niners game. Fumble? No, we'll BS our way through the explanation. Holding on Niners? No, don't throw the flag.
Dumbasses.

Forward progress had stopped, Head official over rules side judge ergo no fumble or challenge available. And Seattle got away with a face mask call on Aldon Smith: goes both ways

helgrenze wrote:The weather in Philly is KILLING me.
At least Peterson and Bush aren't hurting me in this match.

Thankfully the rest of my team is pulling me through it

Crappy officiating against both Hawks and 9'ers.

Where the hell is the team that pounded the Saints into submission?

It really looked like we didn't have ANY kind of a game plan.

Rare was the read-option.

Rare was the bootleg.

Those are two very strong options that Wilson excels at...you can't tell me that the 9'ers took BOTH of those away.

The passes that did work (the TE deep cross) was only used a couple times as well.

I was disappointed, to say the least.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

TheSGC wrote:haha refs for screwing the hell out of the Hawks-Niners game. Fumble? No, we'll BS our way through the explanation. Holding on Niners? No, don't throw the flag.
Dumbasses.

Forward progress had stopped, Head official over rules side judge ergo no fumble or challenge available. And Seattle got away with a face mask call on Aldon Smith: goes both ways

helgrenze wrote:The weather in Philly is KILLING me.
At least Peterson and Bush aren't hurting me in this match.

Thankfully the rest of my team is pulling me through it

No, it hadn't. Replay showed that pretty damn clearly. Head Official BS'd his way through the explanation just for gaks and giggles. There were faaaaaaar more non-calls on the Niners than on the Hawks. Holding on Lane on Kaepernick's first down redzone run. Holding on Mebane on Kaepernick's first down throw to Davis before Davis went and scored the TD. The absurd penalties on grabbing faskmask on Lane as a gunner. I can keep going.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I agree aff. On the one hand it sucks to see my team win that way. On the other hand this feels like a make up call for the Carolina game so while I feel your pain it's almost just equalizing things out. Either way pats are 10-3 and your team got robbed.


Edit:blame the NFL I am

I hope Tom Brady breaks his ankle, or screws up his face in some horrible Boston baked bean or clam chowder incident, just enough to maim him long enough for his super model wife to leave him. That'd be all the karmic justice I need.

That's an awful thing to wish for and you should feel ashamed and bad for typing it for us to read.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I agree aff. On the one hand it sucks to see my team win that way. On the other hand this feels like a make up call for the Carolina game so while I feel your pain it's almost just equalizing things out. Either way pats are 10-3 and your team got robbed.


Edit:blame the NFL I am

I hope Tom Brady breaks his ankle, or screws up his face in some horrible Boston baked bean or clam chowder incident, just enough to maim him long enough for his super model wife to leave him. That'd be all the karmic justice I need.

That's an awful thing to wish for and you should feel ashamed and bad for typing it for us to read.

I don't feel ashamed, except about the ankle injury, the beans and chowda incidents remain, because honestly if you maim your face on food, you should have let it cool before eating it. But the biggest reason why I don't feel ashamed at all is because Tom Brady was given that game on a silver platter by the officials.

1) Intentional Grounding not called on Tom during one crucial play (while he was in the tackle box), but called on Campbell when he was outside the numbers, this is inconsistent penalty calling, in favor of the Patriots.

2) Poyer hitting Edelman in the shoulder with his shoulder (which is a totally legal and clean hit according to the rules for unnecessary roughness - hitting a defenseless receiver) and getting an unnecessary roughness call. This is really bad penalty calling. I'm fine with the touchdown, it was a clean pass, clean catch, but a gakky penalty that set the Patriots to practically walk the ball across the goal line. Defensive players hands are tied, they're told get them to juggle the ball, knock it out of their hands, make a tackle so there are no yards after the catch. Several years ago defensive players were taught to aim high with those type of hits because it forced the receivers to make clean catches and to hold on to that ball, but this has since changed 2011 when Colston of the Saints was basically knocked out by Curtis Lofton (coincidentally they are teammates now) which called for the NFL to clarify the hitting a defenseless player rule (even though Lofton's hit was helmet to helmet). Anyone watching that game could see Poyer made a clean hit, and everyone knew that the onside kick was coming after the touchdown. But that penalty gave the Patriots a huge advantage. Besides starting the kick on the 50 yard line, it would have either pinned the browns in their own zone, or it gave the pats great field position (which it did). If the browns got the ball, it would have been the game. They failed to do that, Fozzy should be practicing that play until he's blue in the face and doesn't screw it up.

3) Which leads us to the Pass Interference call against Darren McFadden. Both players were fighting all the way down the field, and things like that had been getting no-calls all day, and yet when it matters for the Patriots, Browns get flagged for an interference. McFadden made a play for the ball (you notice how his arms went out stretched at the same time Boyce's arms did? that's him making a play for the ball), he didn't hook the arms, or restrict Boyce in anyway from trying to make that catch. Even a former VP of officiating said that wasn't DPI.


I will say this though, while that hit was clean on Gronk, I do feel sorry for him, torn ACLs suck.

Just @ Point 3, McFadden does make a play for the ball but he never turns his head which is probably why it was flagged incorrectly

Alf, poor officiating seemed to be the order of the day on Sunday.

DPI against the Vikings on a play that SHOULD have been a game winning interception, thereby allowing the Ravens to score and win the game.

Several calls/no calls in favor of the 49ers. There were some good calls in this game as well. Yet, I do find it funny, when a player is taunting someone, and an official puts his arm on you to say "stop that" and that player SLAPS the officials hand down, that should be a penalty (and possibly an ejection, as you simply DO NOT touch an official), yet this is exactly what Anquan Bolden got away with in that game.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Just @ Point 3, McFadden does make a play for the ball but he never turns his head which is probably why it was flagged incorrectly

I agree that's probably what will be used to justify the call, but everyone in the national media (so not just Cleveland sports folks) were saying that was not pass interference.

The Browns, and their fans, get what they deserve!

I wouldn't worry about the Patriots too much though - they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.

After that ACL blasting borderline hit on Gronk, especially.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Just @ Point 3, McFadden does make a play for the ball but he never turns his head which is probably why it was flagged incorrectly

I agree that's probably what will be used to justify the call, but everyone in the national media (so not just Cleveland sports folks) were saying that was not pass interference.

Bah... I knew the Patriots were cheaters since the 2001 Superbowl (where the Rams receivers were repeatedly raped ).

Nothing new there Alf...

That's cute.

By the way, you look great in green!

 Alpharius wrote:
The Browns, and their fans, get what they deserve!

I wouldn't worry about the Patriots too much though - they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs.

After that ACL blasting borderline hit on Gronk, especially.

So the Browns deserve to get cheated out of a game where they played 4 quarters better than Tom Brady?

I'm sorry, if you have issues about that hit on Gronk, you can send a letter to Bob Kraft, and I'm sure he'll get his golf buddy Roger to change the way defensive players can make tackles. Gronk is 6ft 6, 270 pounds. Ward is 5ft 10, 200 pounds. You don't tackle a guy that much bigger than you traditionally, you have to turn his largest advantage into his biggest weakness. You hit him low with your shoulder (so it's not helmet contact), and you topple him end over end. If you try to wrap him up he's going to get yards after the catch, if you hit him high, you're probably going to be flagged for a personal foul, give up an extra 15 yards and face a hefty fine. The NFL has taken a 'stand' on concussions and helmet to helmet contact, and the cost of these changes is a massive spike in ACL injuries. As of October 23rd, there were 30 ACL injuries in the 2013 NFL season, now these are just ACL injuries, not tears. That's more than 2011 (25), and almost more than 2012 (32). As of December 5th, there have been 39 ACL injuries in the NFL, so with Gronk and Tyrann Mathieu, that's 41 ACL injuries in the NFL this season. This is the NFL we live in, if you want to remove these injuries, give the boys a belt of flags or play 2 handed touch, if you still want to see the NFL with the bone crushing hits that these defensive players can cause, then you have to realize that these hits are going to keep increasing as long as the NFL insists on forcing defensive players to go lower and lower. Any injury is terrible, but that was far from a borderline hit.

I agree - when you tel people not to hit high or get fined, they'll hit low. Never mind that hitting low ends careers, while hitting high -might- cause a concussion.

That said - The Browns lost because they put themselves in a position to lose. If you cannot recover an expected onside kick, you deserve to lose. The odds are so stacked against the kicking team in that situation that it's a major gaffe to allow it. (unexpected onsides are the only ones that should ever work).

The Seahawks lost because they were outplayed, not out-reffed. For a team that used tricky architecture to manufacture a home field advantage, they're pretty whiny when they play on someone else's field.

I'm heading to Soldier Field tonight - I've got battery powered socks, long underwear, fleece-lined pants, a thermal shirt, sweater, sweatshirt, and winter coat, and those little hand warmer things, plus a fur-lined hat, and I'm still going to freeze my ass off.

You should a bit sensitive on that subject - almost like you know that hit was shady...