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I couldn't find anything that addressed it in the BRB.

Short Answer: Yes

Can you have Grey Knights (and therefore paladins) as ALLIES with a Grey Knight army? I thought allied detachments had to be from a separate codex and that if you want the same codex you use a secondary detachment.

Or is that what you're talking about (secondary detachment)?

I see no reason it wouldn't work in an Allied detachment.


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Rorschach9 wrote:
Can you have Grey Knights (and therefore paladins) as ALLIES with a Grey Knight army? I thought allied detachments had to be from a separate codex and that if you want the same codex you use a secondary detachment.

Or is that what you're talking about (secondary detachment)?

Fairly sure he was talking about Grey Knights taken as allies with another army, not allying with themselves...

 Davespil wrote:
I couldn't find anything that addressed it in the BRB.

I don't have my codex in front of me, but why wouldn't it? If you have Driago as an HQ, Paladins are Troops. If Driago is your HQ for your allied detatchement then Paladins are a troop choice for that allied detatchement. I don't believe there is anything in the BRB that would forbid this in the slightest.


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If you are talking about a secondary detachment, Paladins would only be troops for the detachment that fielded Driago, not for the other, even if you choose two GK armies. Treat them as completely separate armies until models hit the table.

For now Draigo makes Paladins Troops reguardless of Primary or Allied detachment. I'm sure in the future it will be different seeing how all the 6th ed codex have that type of ability formated.

I meant taking Draigo as the HQ chioce of a primary allied attachment and then taking Paladins as Troops in your primary allied attachment. Thank you for the quick responses.

 insaniak wrote:
I see no reason it wouldn't work in an Allied detachment.


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Rorschach9 wrote:
Can you have Grey Knights (and therefore paladins) as ALLIES with a Grey Knight army? I thought allied detachments had to be from a separate codex and that if you want the same codex you use a secondary detachment.

Or is that what you're talking about (secondary detachment)?

Fairly sure he was talking about Grey Knights taken as allies with another army, not allying with themselves...

/doh. That did not even occur to me at the time! So many questions lately about HQ's abilities affecting their allies and all that.

Agreed. Draigo makes Paladins troops. There is no other restriction to that (at this time anyway - who knows what the future will bring).

 insaniak wrote:
I see no reason it wouldn't work in an Allied detachment.

It wouldnt work because you are spending too many points on your allied detachment and it still doesnt fufill your mandatory 2 troops on your primary. Terrible tactics!


But no, it is legal

Zagman wrote:

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Paladins would only be troops for the detachment that fielded Driago, not for the other, even if you choose two GK armies. Treat them as completely separate armies until models hit the table.

I don't see any rule that states this. And considering the GK book was released before 6th (and thus before "detachments"), I doubt anything says this. Could you please cite a rule?

If Draigo is an HQ, then Paladins are Troops. If Coteaz is an HQ, then Warbands are Troops. No mention of detachments, primary or allied. Take one Draigo, and take 12 Solodins across 2 Primary Detachments. (Weird tactics, but legal.)

Contrast this to a Sorcerer of Tzeentch in the CSM book: "If a Primary Detachment...." This means that, for Thousand Sons to be Troops, CSM must be the Primary, not the Allies. But this still doesn't restrict the Thousand Sons to THAT Primary Detachment: "If a Primary Detachment includes a Sorcerer with the MoT, TSons are troops choices instead of elites." No mention of being restricted to the first Primary Detachment. A single Sorcerer can take up to 6 TSons units as Troops in the First Primary, and another 6 in the second Primary, and another 6 in the third...etc. You'd need an additional HQ for each additional Primary Detachment, but it's not required to be a Sorcerer, since you've already fulfilled the requirement.

It's irrelevant, anyway. You can't ally with your own codex (barring Tau & Farsight Enclave).

 Davespil wrote:
I meant taking Draigo as the HQ chioce of a primary allied attachment and then taking Paladins as Troops in your primary allied attachment. Thank you for the quick responses.

 Janthkin wrote:
It's irrelevant, anyway. You can't ally with your own codex (barring Tau & Farsight Enclave).

What's irrelevant?

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Zagman wrote:

EDIT:

Paladins would only be troops for the detachment that fielded Driago, not for the other, even if you choose two GK armies. Treat them as completely separate armies until models hit the table.

I don't see any rule that states this. And considering the GK book was released before 6th (and thus before "detachments"), I doubt anything says this. Could you please cite a rule?

If Draigo is an HQ, then Paladins are Troops. If Coteaz is an HQ, then Warbands are Troops. No mention of detachments, primary or allied. Take one Draigo, and take 12 Solodins across 2 Primary Detachments. (Weird tactics, but legal.)

Contrast this to a Sorcerer of Tzeentch in the CSM book: "If a Primary Detachment...." This means that, for Thousand Sons to be Troops, CSM must be the Primary, not the Allies. But this still doesn't restrict the Thousand Sons to THAT Primary Detachment: "If a Primary Detachment includes a Sorcerer with the MoT, TSons are troops choices instead of elites." No mention of being restricted to the first Primary Detachment. A single Sorcerer can take up to 6 TSons units as Troops in the First Primary, and another 6 in the second Primary, and another 6 in the third...etc. You'd need an additional HQ for each additional Primary Detachment, but it's not required to be a Sorcerer, since you've already fulfilled the requirement.

This is irrelevant. You can't ally with your own codex.

But the thread isn't talking about allying with your own codex: it's talking about unlocking Paladins as Troops when the GK is an Allied Detachment to some other book's Primary Detachment. See Davespil's clarifying post (which I included in my post above this one).

I don't believe anyone mentioned having a primary and allied detachment from the same book since Rorschach9 mistakenly thought someone was advocating such a move. I certainly wasn't responding to that idea.

Zagman then incorrectly claimed that Paladins would NOT be Troops in a second Primary Detachment of GK, where the first Primary Detachment contained Draigo.
My post was responding to Zagman's flawed assumption. Edit: which is very relevant to the thread, since we're talking about how Draigo makes things Troops. At any rate, berate Zagman for his improper understanding, not me for correcting it.

Only 6th edition codices have restrictions for HQs that convert units into troops.

 Davespil wrote:
I meant taking Draigo as the HQ chioce of a primary allied attachment and then taking Paladins as Troops in your primary allied attachment. Thank you for the quick responses.

Very confusing to call it a "primary allied detachment"
You only have 1 primary detachment
You only have 1 allied detachment
For ever full 2000 points you can have a secondary detachment.

There is no such thing as a "primary allied detachment"

And what would the 2 allied detachments be called over 2000 points?

Considering the book calls it a primary detachment and a additional primary detachment, then allies would be: allied detachment and additional allied detachment.

 Exergy wrote:
For ever full 2000 points you can have a secondary detachment.

There is no 'secondary detachment'... it's a second Primary Detachment.

And it's not for every full 2000 points. Just for 2000 points and over. You don't get a third Primary Detachment at 4000 points.

Zagman wrote:

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If you are talking about a secondary detachment, Paladins would only be troops for the detachment that fielded Driago, not for the other, even if you choose two GK armies. Treat them as completely separate armies until models hit the table.

Citation please?

Draigo talks about ARMY, so paladins would be troops even on additional primary detachment. They are part of the same ARMY, not separate like You said.

It would be just the same as taking Logan Grimnar and TDAWG as allies. As long as you stick to the allied FoC your peachy.