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2013/07/28 18:20:37
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Any chance of pictures?
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"Treat them with honour, my Brothers. Not because they will bring us victory this day, but because their fate will one day be ours." |
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2013/07/28 18:21:52
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Again, nobody is arguing that their international pricing isn't ludicrous.
As a UK company, its fair to use their UK price as the standard. The price in other countries needs addressing, but in many cases, at least with their plastics, the core price isn't completely irredeemable, some minor adjustments to price, or, more effectively I think, to box contents could go a long way to centering their value for money around a point that more people felt was reasonable. An extra sprue in the box here or there would dramatically alter a lot of people's perception of what they were getting for the better.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2013/07/28 18:23:44
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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I don't think the dump of the Dire Avengers box to 5 models helped anything.
Quite frankly, I'm not a big fan of any of the 5 for $33 boxes. I'd gladly pay the $37.50 for 10 box, but the 5 for $33 is frustrating.
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2013/07/28 18:24:18
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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I actually asked a GW manager the other day why it costs more here..his reason was: Because the prices were set so long ago and we just didn't change them to fit in with the rest of the world
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"Treat them with honour, my Brothers. Not because they will bring us victory this day, but because their fate will one day be ours." |
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2013/07/28 18:25:54
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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 ThouShallNotHeal wrote:I actually asked a GW manager the other day why it costs more here..his reason was: Because the prices were set so long ago and we just didn't change them to fit in with the rest of the world
Pretty much. They were set when the AUD was half the USD. They haven't adjusted it.
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2013/07/28 18:26:54
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Why would they, we keep paying those prices DX
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"Treat them with honour, my Brothers. Not because they will bring us victory this day, but because their fate will one day be ours." |
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2013/07/28 18:34:11
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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cincydooley wrote:Wow. Nice find if you were able to get the Tigers for cheaper! Those are great models. Tigers 1 & 2 retailed for 19.99 I believe but routinely fetch like, $40 on the market now. I think Tiger 3 is a bit more common.
ThouShallNotHeal wrote:Any chance of pictures?
I averaged around £10 per model with delivery, took a while, but most of them were sourced from France, and as I believe they were based there, may explain their relative commonality.
Didn't get any of 3, didn't like the pose, and as a unit of 5, repeated 1 and 2 doesn't look too bad IMO.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2013/07/28 18:35:30
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Very nice! Very Tzeentch colors.
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"Treat them with honour, my Brothers. Not because they will bring us victory this day, but because their fate will one day be ours." |
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2013/07/28 18:40:32
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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In an attempt to actually respond to the OP's quoted article on Spikey Bits and the additional "Ferrari" Article on BOLS, here goes.
As pointed out by a few posters, the OP price out blurb is regrettable but understandable. If you are only getting money for Christmas and your Birthday, its hard to keep up with GW prices in this day and age. However at the same time, I hope the author writing that piece isn't then going out and waiting in line for the next Call of Duty, playing WoW or pre-ordered an Xbox1/PS4. Because like many of my fellow late teens/early 20 somethings, many of us love to complain about the cost of one thing, but will then drop money in other circumstances without a second thought. Ie - Booze/Video Games/Girls. It's all about competing priorities, not complaining about X/Y/Z.
However the Ferrari article is downright deceitful. Having personally re-entered the hobby from 3rd edition 40k, I am likewise shocked/infuriated/befuddled by the price rises and major decline in GW's interest in promoting the hobby/customer service. That being said, the price comparisons the author puts up are ridiculously biased. Apocalypse vs. PS3 vs. Computer vs. Ipad vs. X-Wing? Really? Unlike the Apocalypse Bundle, each of the other price points show a starter cost associated with the product. However like most, there are additional costs to even get any kind of enjoyment out of it. $400 for PS3? Nope, at least $460. Guess you are just browsing the internet on that Computer? If that $420 was spent towards building an army, it stacks up fine. Buy at 20% off retail, even more so.
In the end GW is a hobby. That's the only thing the article gets right. To that end, being involved in a hobby is about getting enjoyment from it. If GW products don't bring you joy, you can't justify the cost to yourself or truly can't afford it anymore, fair enough. But just because you have decided to use your hobby money somewhere else, please don't assume this applies to everyone else.
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2013/07/28 18:47:04
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Posts with Authority
I'm from the future. The future of space
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Kanluwen wrote:
Memphis was supposedly not a huge production center, despite having been set up as one. They supposedly had molds for 'popular items' whatever that means.
Closing it was not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination, but I would not pretend that Memphis was responsible for the product that you bought in Canada or I bought here in the US.
After GW Canada closed, local gaming stores here in Canada had their trade accounts moved to Memphis. Memphis would get stuff from the UK, produce some stuff locally, assemble orders and ship them to stores. Eventually the production side was phased out and now they just sort and reship stuff from the UK. There was a time though that the latest releases and most space marines sold in the US and Canada were being made in the US.
So yeah, it wasn't a full product line production centre, but the demand for the production didn't outweigh the benefits of consolidating production in the UK. US and Canadian demand for the most common GW items simply isn't enough to justify a production centre in the US like it once was.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. |
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2013/07/28 18:52:58
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Sounds like you may have gotten recasts. Not that I find that abhorrent, but getting scupts 1&2 in bulk for that price typically means recasted models.
Unless you got them new in blister, then I stand corrected 
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2013/07/28 18:56:38
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Posts with Authority
I'm from the future. The future of space
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Rackham's complete abandonment of their metal miniature market certainly led to a lot of recasters popping up pretty quickly. I know some of my Mid-Nor stuff turned out to be recast once it arrived. The metal was noticeably lighter and harder and there was the faintest trace of double mould lines.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. |
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2013/07/28 18:57:22
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Yep, all blistered, sealed with cards.
Except one, which while sold as new, had a blister with the wrong product label on it and had, on close examination, been stripped.
Tried to get a partial refund, but the French sellers English was worse than my French, so just gave up. Ironically was the most expensive of the five!
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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2013/07/28 19:30:16
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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I've got 20 of those tigers upstairs, bought as flesh hound proxies.
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2013/07/28 20:09:29
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Well, for those of you not using em, they can definitely fetch a solid $ on eBay these days. If I played Dark Eldar I'd have all sorts of Dirz in my collection. The clones are fantastic too.
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2013/07/28 20:23:07
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. 
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2013/07/28 20:35:26
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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I think comparing to other pastimes is a bit of a red herring.. I'm inclined to think of Stewie from Family Guy having lots of fun with his ball in a cup etc..
The issue here is that compared to other wargaming companies, within the same industry, GW stuff is by far the most expensive to get into. I'm just getting into the Hail Caesar historicals stuff and am actually being continuously shocked by how much cheaper it is, and for the most part pretty comparable quality.
While this wouldn't a problem by itself (as several have pointed out 'you don't have to buy GW, buy from another company') in the UK at least GW is pretty much the main gatekeeper for wargaming - Indies are being hit hard by the recession, the government here doing nothing to help the high-street, and GW's aggressive policies towards them - there is every chance that someone who likes the idea of wargaming might take one look at GW, decide that it is too expensive, and then walk away from the entire hobby. And that I think would be a terrible shame.
Ultimately that isn't good for GW, and it isn't good for the wargaming industry/hobby at large. It needs every chance it can get to survive against the increasing amounts of competition for children's attention, and pricing an army (if you want to play as GW intend) at the same level alongside the latest new console releases, competing for the same parent-xmas cash, must surely be counter-productive in the long term.
So yes - GW miniatures are far too expensive, but this is compounded by the high entry price and the amount of money you have to pay to get the 'full experience from their games.
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2013/07/28 20:36:35
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Well, that's pretty subjective.
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2013/07/28 20:40:04
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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2013/07/28 20:50:54
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Of course those are two things which are comparable to Ferraris in their respective markets...where GW really is just making the same as everyone else...just charging more for it.
A competition shotgun with range computer and a high end hand bag...of which I think they are ridiculously priced when my wife buys them, I can see the difference between the way those are made versus cheaper bags she buys at Dillards.
Indies are being hit hard by the recession
Based on the latest numbers for the US at least, they are entering their 5th straight year of growth. Generally recessions are good for these types of hobbies as it is a larger time sink for dollars spent versus other hobbies.
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2013/07/28 20:58:30
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Coincidentally I think the quality of GWs plastics are noticeably better than everyone else's, though Wyrds new plastic range is certainly getting better and better.
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2013/07/28 21:03:00
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Well I posted them with the OP's age group in mind. The sort of thing GW's target market would like.
Unless you think they'd prefer handbags, ymmv
Btw prefer the remington 870 myself
The quality of your posts has been outstanding of late, don't spoil it. kisses
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2013/07/28 21:06:54
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Bah not for trap or skeet.
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2013/07/28 21:25:00
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Buy what you can afford to budget.
Put in the time you can afford to invest.
Enjoy playing/painting/modeling as much as you can.
If you can't do those 3 things, and feel stressed by any of them....
You should quit playing (and send me your army) 
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I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends. 
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2013/07/28 21:58:08
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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an awesome computer or some mass produced plastic crap that you need to spend hours, days, weeks cleaning and painting.
to most people it's not subjective at all.
no wonder GW is closing all their stores.
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2013/07/28 22:07:35
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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kb305 wrote:
an awesome computer or some mass produced plastic crap that you need to spend hours, days, weeks cleaning and painting.
to most people it's not subjective at all.
no wonder GW is closing all their stores.
For many people cleaning, building, and painting the models is part of the appeal. Personally, I've never spent that much on a computer not would I, as I don't do any PC gaming or any video editing that would warrant it.
So yeah, it's pretty subjective.
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2013/07/28 22:28:14
Subject: Re:The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 cincydooley wrote:kb305 wrote:
an awesome computer or some mass produced plastic crap that you need to spend hours, days, weeks cleaning and painting.
to most people it's not subjective at all.
no wonder GW is closing all their stores.
For many people cleaning, building, and painting the models is part of the appeal. Personally, I've never spent that much on a computer not would I, as I don't do any PC gaming or any video editing that would warrant it.
So yeah, it's pretty subjective.
Its about as appealing as running and finishing a marathon. atleast after the run you would be healthier, not more screwed up.
i think most people would just pay someone else to build and paint everything for them if they could afford it.
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2013/07/28 22:33:21
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Much as I like painting and modeling, I'd still buy the computer.
No plastic is worth that.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2013/07/28 23:10:35
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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 loki old fart wrote:Much as I like painting and modeling, I'd still buy the computer.
No plastic is worth that.
Of course. If you had a windfall of $2000 there's not a lot of people that would go out and buy $2000 of warhammer stuff, they'd buy something that requires $2000 at once to buy.
You can't really build a computer $40 at a time, but over a few months you can put together a warhammer army spending $40 a month.
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Looking for Durham Region gamers in Ontario Canada, send me a PM!
See my gallery for Chapterhouse's Tervigon, fully painted.
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2013/07/28 23:42:40
Subject: The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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 Carnage43 wrote: loki old fart wrote:Much as I like painting and modeling, I'd still buy the computer.
No plastic is worth that.
Of course. If you had a windfall of $2000 there's not a lot of people that would go out and buy $2000 of warhammer stuff, they'd buy something that requires $2000 at once to buy.
You can't really build a computer $40 at a time, but over a few months you can put together a warhammer army spending $40 a month.
I did buy my computer piece by piece, and built it.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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