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 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Anyone else miss the days when army books and codices only cost 25$?

I remember when they were $19. And Space Marines came in boxes of 30. And Rhinos were 3 to a box :(

My 8 y.o. son expressed interest, I looked at current prices, bollocks! I cant even get bits from the Warstore anymore.

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

Shame prices have gotten so out of hand. I've got other things that require that kind of money (gas for 2 vehicles, food for children, sports for children, mortgage, student loans etc). Hats off to you that dont have to worry about expenses.

Adulthood: FEAR IT!

Or...and this might sound crazy....you could use that "25 year collection" and introduce him with gak you already have and then add a box or two.

Plenty of us have those expenses, too. It's a simple matter of budgeting your discretionary money. It's really not that hard.

MadMarkMagee wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Anyone else miss the days when army books and codices only cost 25$?

I remember when they were $19. And Space Marines came in boxes of 30. And Rhinos were 3 to a box :(

My 8 y.o. son expressed interest, I looked at current prices, bollocks! I cant even get bits from the Warstore anymore.

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

Shame prices have gotten so out of hand. I've got other things that require that kind of money (gas for 2 vehicles, food for children, sports for children, mortgage, student loans etc). Hats off to you that dont have to worry about expenses.

Adulthood: FEAR IT!

25 years ago! ? I think a fair amount of the increase would be due to inflation ( Prices of things have roughly doubled since 1985).

Though ofc GW raises prices in excess of inflation, that is the issue.

Just posting this in case anyone starts trying to argue that space marines should still cost 19 dollars.

Yes, I stopped buying when I last bought the Tau codex.

Edit:
Oh crud,there's a 6th edition Tau Codex?


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
Anyone else miss the days when army books and codices only cost 25$?

I remember when they were $19. And Space Marines came in boxes of 30. And Rhinos were 3 to a box :(

My 8 y.o. son expressed interest, I looked at current prices, bollocks! I cant even get bits from the Warstore anymore.

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

Shame prices have gotten so out of hand. I've got other things that require that kind of money (gas for 2 vehicles, food for children, sports for children, mortgage, student loans etc). Hats off to you that dont have to worry about expenses.

Adulthood: FEAR IT!

Or...and this might sound crazy....you could use that "25 year collection" and introduce him with gak you already have and then add a box or two.

Plenty of us have those expenses, too. It's a simple matter of budgeting your discretionary money. It's really not that hard.

WOW, that's a GREAT idea!! <sarcasm>

Guess you missed the part where I said:

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

My discretionary income goes to ANOTHER hobby, where I feel I get more DAKKA for my buck$. GW, for me, just doesnt offer that any more, especially for the price they are asking. Which is a pity, the new starter set looks cool too, just not $100/$80 cool. They've priced themselves out of what I consider "impulse buy" money.

 Spacemanvic wrote:


My discretionary income goes to ANOTHER hobby, where I feel I get more DAKKA for my buck$. GW, for me, just doesnt offer that any more, especially for the price they are asking. Which is a pity, the new starter set looks cool too, just not $100/$80 cool. They've priced themselves out of what I consider "impulse buy" money.

Exactly.

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Oh crud,there's a 6th edition Tau Codex?

I felt the same way when the CSM codex's kept changing, it is a mixed blessing the new one is hard cover = I kept getting them mixed up of what was current.
Recycling some of the old artwork and fluff made it even harder...
I will be doing a similar thing with my kids of letting them pick up from what I have other than my main painted army.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Oh crud,there's a 6th edition Tau Codex?

I felt the same way when the CSM codex's kept changing, it is a mixed blessing the new one is hard cover = I kept getting them mixed up of what was current.
Recycling some of the old artwork and fluff made it even harder...
I will be doing a similar thing with my kids of letting them pick up from what I have other than my main painted army.

Right now for my kids, its the only way to go. For some people with one or two kids, it might not be an issue, but Ive got more than that, so I spend accordingly.

insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure how miniatures are not 'relevant' but yes, this does mean you need to spend more to play bigger games...

I thought I explained it with my example of glade riders. The best way to see what I'm talking about is to take some of your 40k or WFB collection and play a set of rules that concentrates on a lower model count. Then go back and play the same stuff in 40k and see how the miniatures get lost in the sea of little faces. If I play WFB, I can paint a box of something up and have them be far, far less relevant to the overall experience than with other games using the same miniatures. It's part of having a larger model count game and should be fairly obvious.

The other issue I have with 40k is in terms of the turn structure and model count and how they relate. The last time I played 40k I had my tyranid army. When the battle lines were getting closer I had about 85 models left. I moved them. I fleeted with them. I charged with some. Afterwards I basically realized that I had been making my opponent just sit there while I did 200+ model movements. I immediately apologized to my opponent and have never done that to anyone again. It was literally my last game of 40k. I sold 90% of my nids and use the remaining 10% in Aliens style skirmish gaming using my D&D dungeon tiles.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

WOW, that's a GREAT idea!! <sarcasm>

Guess you missed the part where I said:

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

No, I didn't miss it. I just think thats a poor excuse why you can no longer add a box or two to your collection every here and there.

My discretionary income goes to ANOTHER hobby, where I feel I get more DAKKA for my buck$. GW, for me, just doesnt offer that any more, especially for the price they are asking. Which is a pity, the new starter set looks cool too, just not $100/$80 cool. They've priced themselves out of what I consider "impulse buy" money.

Fair enough. I think it's funny that you use the Starter set as your example though; you're one of the first people I've ever heard say it wasn't worth the $$.

With all that being said, threads like these are inherently selfish and filled with veterans complaining that they can no longer buy as much as they want to. I think thats crap. If you're a vet, you haven't been priced out because, as a vet, you should have a preexisting collection that, like I said above, you can augment with a new unit here and there on new releases.

If we're going to bitch about people being priced out at all, it should be concerning the high entry point to start an army, and not "boo hoo I can no longer get X amount of marines for X amount of dollars."

 cincydooley wrote:
If we're going to bitch about people being priced out at all, it should be concerning the high entry point to start an army, and not "boo hoo I can no longer get X amount of marines for X amount of dollars."

That's usually the crux of my argument when comparing why I find x game cheaper than y game. Cost of entry is very important, but most people ignore on this

 frozenwastes wrote:
[The other issue I have with 40k is in terms of the turn structure and model count and how they relate. The last time I played 40k I had my tyranid army. When the battle lines were getting closer I had about 85 models left. I moved them. I fleeted with them. I charged with some. Afterwards I basically realized that I had been making my opponent just sit there while I did 200+ model movements. I immediately apologized to my opponent and have never done that to anyone again. It was literally my last game of 40k. I sold 90% of my nids and use the remaining 10% in Aliens style skirmish gaming using my D&D dungeon tiles.

This rule is one of the few things that I really wish 40k would adopt from the the old AT-43 rules. Move your most forward model in a unit with measurement, and then move everything else without measuring but keeping coherency. Casual play certainly allows for this, but man, if you try that in a tournament setting there are definitely some folks that lose their gak. So I definitely feel your pain.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
If we're going to bitch about people being priced out at all, it should be concerning the high entry point to start an army, and not "boo hoo I can no longer get X amount of marines for X amount of dollars."

That's usually the crux of my argument when comparing why I find x game cheaper than y game. Cost of entry is very important, but most people ignore on this

cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

 Polonius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
If we're going to bitch about people being priced out at all, it should be concerning the high entry point to start an army, and not "boo hoo I can no longer get X amount of marines for X amount of dollars."

That's usually the crux of my argument when comparing why I find x game cheaper than y game. Cost of entry is very important, but most people ignore on this

cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

Oh, for sure, but it becomes really tiresome to hear supposed veterans complain about "getting priced out" when, as "veterans", they should assuredly already have a bunch of models they can play with. I've been adding to my Space Wolves for like, 5 or 6 years. That means when a new marine box comes out that I like, I spend that $33-$80 bucks and get one and combine it with the copious amount of Wolves bits I already have.

Honestly, for a "veteran" to play a new edition, they can use existing models and 'buy in' with the new codex and rulebook for less than $100 bucks.

But you're right. That is a pretty big expense every 4-6 years.

Oh, I've straight up called people liars to their face when they claim they were "priced out." The cost to merely keep playing is pretty marginal.

I posted this in the annual report thread though it seems (more) relevant here too.

Since about 2010 I've been feeling pretty priced out by GW and I've certainly been buying less than I used to.

Yet... My purchases for the last year:

July: Apocalypse Rulebook, Apocalypse Templates, Vortex Template
June: Eldar codex. 3 versions of Bugman, Bugmans Boardgame, Abaddon+Loken, Rhino Doors, Bugmans Pitcher. Belial.
May: 2 Vengeance Cruisers, 9 escorts. Planet Killer. Orbital BatteriesGaunts Ghosts, Last Chancers. Assorted Mordians.
April: Tau Codex
March:
February: Chaos Demons Codex
January: Dark Angels codex, Nephilim Fighter
December: The Hobbit game. Crusade of Fire
November: Helltalon fighter. Eavy Metal paint set
October: Chaos Space Marine codex.
September: Dark Vengeance
August:
July: 40k 6th Edition Collectors book.


Now, that's a heck of a lot of money! Yet, I 'feel' like I've hardly bought anything from them, counting that all up though and I can imagine we're talking near enough 500 pounds.

500 pounds from a company I've 'fallen out' with. That's just insane.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
If we're going to bitch about people being priced out at all, it should be concerning the high entry point to start an army, and not "boo hoo I can no longer get X amount of marines for X amount of dollars."

That's usually the crux of my argument when comparing why I find x game cheaper than y game. Cost of entry is very important, but most people ignore on this

cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

Oh, for sure, but it becomes really tiresome to hear supposed veterans complain about "getting priced out" when, as "veterans", they should assuredly already have a bunch of models they can play with. I've been adding to my Space Wolves for like, 5 or 6 years. That means when a new marine box comes out that I like, I spend that $33-$80 bucks and get one and combine it with the copious amount of Wolves bits I already have.

Honestly, for a "veteran" to play a new edition, they can use existing models and 'buy in' with the new codex and rulebook for less than $100 bucks.

But you're right. That is a pretty big expense every 4-6 years.

Wow. Really, what's your problem, why the hostility? Over a game of toy soldiers?!?

Here's the part you dont get: GW isnt providing entertainment value for me that it once did. When the pricing was "realistic", sure I'd buy a box here and there, but as I grew up (now 43), the sheen of spikey bits and cheap plastic didnt hold the awe it once did. Now that my son is interested, I'll just do what GW does (and charges through the nose for): Ill recycle the artwork in my RT, 2nd through 5th ed books, and Ill use the the extensive models I own. He wont know the difference, it'll all be new to him. Oh wait, that's what GW does now for the most part.

 Polonius wrote:
cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

I agree, and while it doesn't pertain to this thread I usually involve myself with the, "why should I play Warmachine vs. Go Fish vs. w/e is the flavor" which is what my comment is normally directed towards.

In this thread, taking the 30 bucks or so to grab a new box of models isn't that hard to do. So you eat out 1 time a week instead of 4, or you don't see those two movies this month. It all depends on where you want your hobby money to go. I won't be buying a Grey Hunters box this month because I went shooting and saw Wolverine. I'm okay with that choice since I have tac marines out the butt and it's mostly for the bits.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Wow. Really, what's your problem, why the hostility? Over a game of toy soldiers?!?

Here's the part you dont get: GW isnt providing entertainment value for me that it once did. When the pricing was "realistic", sure I'd buy a box here and there, but as I grew up (now 43), the sheen of spikey bits and cheap plastic didnt hold the awe it once did. Now that my son is interested, I'll just do what GW does (and charges through the nose for): Ill recycle the artwork in my RT, 2nd through 5th ed books, and Ill use the the extensive models I own. He wont know the difference, it'll all be new to him. Oh wait, that's what GW does now for the most part.

I don't have a problem and I'm not being at all hostile.

I simply think there's a lot of disingenous bitchery that goes around from "vets" saying they've been "priced out" when in fact the only thing they've been "priced out" of is buying new armies.

I'm actually right with you on GW not providing enough entertainment value. I can completely understand that. You're comparing the 'value' of that $50 or whatever you want to spend. There have been multiple times this month where I've had a spare $50 and opted to go to the range over buying a box of toy soliders. You're basically saying you've "grown out" of wargaming, which is entirely different than saying you've been priced out. Further, getting your son in the hobby is the exact method I was advocating for: a vet using their extensive collection and then augmenting it with a new box here and there.

And FWIW, GW has been commissioning a ton of new artwork and you've apparently not seen any of the new codecies, so the claim that they're simply "recycling" everything is false.


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 Alfndrate wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

I agree, and while it doesn't pertain to this thread I usually involve myself with the, "why should I play Warmachine vs. Go Fish vs. w/e is the flavor" which is what my comment is normally directed towards.

In this thread, taking the 30 bucks or so to grab a new box of models isn't that hard to do. So you eat out 1 time a week instead of 4, or you don't see those two movies this month. It all depends on where you want your hobby money to go. I won't be buying a Grey Hunters box this month because I went shooting and saw Wolverine. I'm okay with that choice since I have tac marines out the butt and it's mostly for the bits.

Dude, more reasons for me to like you. We need to go to the range sometime when we're at a Con together.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
cost of entry is also of less concern to people alread in the game.

I agree, and while it doesn't pertain to this thread I usually involve myself with the, "why should I play Warmachine vs. Go Fish vs. w/e is the flavor" which is what my comment is normally directed towards.

In this thread, taking the 30 bucks or so to grab a new box of models isn't that hard to do. So you eat out 1 time a week instead of 4, or you don't see those two movies this month. It all depends on where you want your hobby money to go. I won't be buying a Grey Hunters box this month because I went shooting and saw Wolverine. I'm okay with that choice since I have tac marines out the butt and it's mostly for the bits.

Reloading helps with the cost of shooting quite a bit. Just started casting 45ACP in order to shoot indoors.

Cost of entry is an issue for me as I see my son express an interest that he wont be able to fully explore as I wont be funding his GW foray. Yes, GW produces a few items that make me say "wow cool", but then I saw the prices they want and that kind of ends the browsing. He'll have to make do with my extensive collection. Shame, as this is something he an I can share, but then again, there are better cost effective things that he and I can do.

Dunno, for me GW just doesn't merit their asking price. It's a hobby, so I went and found other things that are better spent. All I did was comment how I felt and my experience, and I get jumped for it. So much for the social aspect of "the hobby".


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Wow. Really, what's your problem, why the hostility? Over a game of toy soldiers?!?

Here's the part you dont get: GW isnt providing entertainment value for me that it once did. When the pricing was "realistic", sure I'd buy a box here and there, but as I grew up (now 43), the sheen of spikey bits and cheap plastic didnt hold the awe it once did. Now that my son is interested, I'll just do what GW does (and charges through the nose for): Ill recycle the artwork in my RT, 2nd through 5th ed books, and Ill use the the extensive models I own. He wont know the difference, it'll all be new to him. Oh wait, that's what GW does now for the most part.

I don't have a problem and I'm not being at all hostile.

I simply think there's a lot of disingenous bitchery that goes around from "vets" saying they've been "priced out" when in fact the only thing they've been "priced out" of is buying new armies.

I'm actually right with you on GW not providing enough entertainment value. I can completely understand that. You're comparing the 'value' of that $50 or whatever you want to spend. There have been multiple times this month where I've had a spare $50 and opted to go to the range over buying a box of toy soliders. You're basically saying you've "grown out" of wargaming, which is entirely different than saying you've been priced out. Further, getting your son in the hobby is the exact method I was advocating for: a vet using their extensive collection and then augmenting it with a new box here and there.

And FWIW, GW has been commissioning a ton of new artwork and you've apparently not seen any of the new codecies, so the claim that they're simply "recycling" everything is false.

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Cant say Ive grown out of wargaming, just GW's version of it. We still do FOW, and Space Hulk (1st/2nd ed) and Zombie Plague etc. From where I started with GW, to seeing the prices for things today, there is NO friggin way Im letting my kids get into it with family $$. Id kill to see new artwork in a GW book. All Ive seen is the same stuff from the other editions, with maybe new artwork that came with the Horus Heresy card game. My "burn out" isnt so much a price thing, as it is what am I getting for my money, that GW happens to want more of? I haven picked up a WD since the last one I looked at was more of a catalog than anything hobby related, and that started my closing the wallet to GW offerings. I saw some of the new flyers, and damn they are nice, but not "GW price" nice.

Maybe if I'd stayed GW centric, I'd still be onboard and pay the piper, but Im not and the price just seems to me, gouging. Almost like the ammo price spikes and 30rd magazine price hikes. I made some $$$ selling extra AR lowers I had as well as extra Pmags to people who didnt know any better.

 Spacemanvic wrote:
Reloading helps with the cost of shooting quite a bit. Just started casting 45ACP in order to shoot indoors.

Yeah, but at the moment the equipment to reload ammunition would price me out of my shooting hobby, so I choose the cheaper alternative for my means by buying up a box or two whenever I wish to go shoot.

Cost of entry is an issue for me as I see my son express an interest that he wont be able to fully explore as I wont be funding his GW foray. Yes, GW produces a few items that make me say "wow cool", but then I saw the prices they want and that kind of ends the browsing. He'll have to make do with my extensive collection. Shame, as this is something he an I can share, but then again, there are better cost effective things that he and I can do.

I share photography with my dad, it's something we do on family trips, and when it was easier for him to move around, when we would camp/hike. When I started, my dad gave me his backup SLR camera with a spare lens. He didn't want to drop the coin on a hobby that had my interests, but not full attention. As we did more, we decided to move to a DSLR and on the cheaper end. One of us still shoots in film and the other shoots digital. Your son is interested in your collection as it is now. Get him involved, pick up the mini rulebook for 20 bucks and the latest codex via an online discounter or from eBay. Work with your son on small games, there are plenty of dads on Dakka that have taught their sons this game (Gitsplitta is the one that comes to mind atm). And while the cool toys are something his sons want, they work with the bits good old dad has and get rewarded with interest and good behavior with new pieces.

Dunno, for me GW just doesn't merit their asking price. It's a hobby, so I went and found other things that are better spent. All I did was comment how I felt and my experience, and I get jumped for it. So much for the social aspect of "the hobby".

And that's what sticks in cincydooley's craw. People come in here and say, they've priced me out when they've got big collections and probably don't need to expand much if at all...

 cincydooley wrote:

I simply think there's a lot of disingenous bitchery that goes around from "vets" saying they've been "priced out" when in fact the only thing they've been "priced out" of is buying new armies.

I'm actually right with you on GW not providing enough entertainment value. I can completely understand that. You're comparing the 'value' of that $50 or whatever you want to spend. There have been multiple times this month where I've had a spare $50 and opted to go to the range over buying a box of toy soliders. You're basically saying you've "grown out" of wargaming, which is entirely different than saying you've been priced out.

This is pretty much what I feel. Both about others that claim to be priced out, and myself. Yes, prices go up, but we seldom complain as loudly about the diminishing fun. I mean, even for a person playing 40k three nights a week, how many armies do they need?

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Dunno, for me GW just doesn't merit their asking price. It's a hobby, so I went and found other things that are better spent. All I did was comment how I felt and my experience, and I get jumped for it. So much for the social aspect of "the hobby".

I think this is completely and 100% reasonable, but that's not typically what we hear people complaining about. We hear "GW is too much so I can't play anymore," which like I said before, sounds petulant. If you've got your army, you can totally still play. Not buying anything from them anymore? Sweet. I respect that. Don't see the value in what they're asking? Sweet. I can respect that too. But to say you're a "vet" and that you've been "priced out" is completely disingenuous.

I'm not going to argue anything based on valuation, because it's 100% subjective and we've been around the block with that here about 10 times .

We've not quite moved on to reloading out handgun ammo yet, but we definitely reload our shotgun ammo. Well, we when can find some red dot to do it with. Since my buddy has the 12g reloader, I'll probably have to buck up when we decide to attemp to reload our handgun ammo or if we end up getting 20g's.

Also, I really do apologize if I came off as hostile. I actually agree with most of what you say, and your method of 'staying in the game' is really the way I'd advocate for. Sorry if I came off more brusque than intended.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Dunno, for me GW just doesn't merit their asking price. It's a hobby, so I went and found other things that are better spent. All I did was comment how I felt and my experience, and I get jumped for it. So much for the social aspect of "the hobby".

I think this is completely and 100% reasonable, but that's not typically what we hear people complaining about. We hear "GW is too much so I can't play anymore," which like I said before, sounds petulant. If you've got your army, you can totally still play. Not buying anything from them anymore? Sweet. I respect that. Don't see the value in what they're asking? Sweet. I can respect that too. But to say you're a "vet" and that you've been "priced out" is completely disingenuous.

I'm not going to argue anything based on valuation, because it's 100% subjective and we've been around the block with that here about 10 times .

We've not quite moved on to reloading out handgun ammo yet, but we definitely reload our shotgun ammo. Well, we when can find some red dot to do it with. Since my buddy has the 12g reloader, I'll probably have to buck up when we decide to attemp to reload our handgun ammo or if we end up getting 20g's.

Also, I really do apologize if I came off as hostile. I actually agree with most of what you say, and your method of 'staying in the game' is really the way I'd advocate for. Sorry if I came off more brusque than intended.

Yeah thats exactly what I always said, GW IS fething expensive, but if you are a vet, there is absolutely no reason to stop playing, just stick with your current stuff. Even if you only have a couple thousand points worth of stuff, you can happily crack on playing and spend about what.. $100 a year?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Dunno, for me GW just doesn't merit their asking price. It's a hobby, so I went and found other things that are better spent. All I did was comment how I felt and my experience, and I get jumped for it. So much for the social aspect of "the hobby".

I think this is completely and 100% reasonable, but that's not typically what we hear people complaining about. We hear "GW is too much so I can't play anymore," which like I said before, sounds petulant. If you've got your army, you can totally still play. Not buying anything from them anymore? Sweet. I respect that. Don't see the value in what they're asking? Sweet. I can respect that too. But to say you're a "vet" and that you've been "priced out" is completely disingenuous.

I'm not going to argue anything based on valuation, because it's 100% subjective and we've been around the block with that here about 10 times .

We've not quite moved on to reloading out handgun ammo yet, but we definitely reload our shotgun ammo. Well, we when can find some red dot to do it with. Since my buddy has the 12g reloader, I'll probably have to buck up when we decide to attemp to reload our handgun ammo or if we end up getting 20g's.

Also, I really do apologize if I came off as hostile. I actually agree with most of what you say, and your method of 'staying in the game' is really the way I'd advocate for. Sorry if I came off more brusque than intended.

It's all good.

As a "vet", I have more than enough to play decent sized games. And the reason I got so many armies was because I really liked the models, and I wanted to give options for anyone willing to give the game a shot at the house (no gaming areas for at least 2 hours in any direction). Ive seen some models Id like to get, and my son expressed interest, but the asking price is just a non-starter for us. We'll still play, we just wont be buying, the price is out of what I consider "reasonable".

@ Alfndrate and cincydooley:

I lucked out. I had a set of Canadian moose antlers a buddy wanted and he traded a complete RCBS reloading set (RCBS Uniflow , RCBS Rock Crusher, RCBS 05 powder scale, Lyman case trimmer, Midway tumbler, 20lbs Walnut media, about 5 cans of powder and dies for 308, 30.06, 243 and 8mm Mauser). The moose antlers were 15pt 5ft spread 3 1/2 ft seat and about 1 1/2 ft palm. They came with the house and he'd been after them for 7 years. I promised the lady we bought the house from that I wouldnt sell the antlers, and my wife talked me into trading them instead. They took up alot of space hanging in the garage. With the ammo shortage, I did pretty damn well

Im working on my NRA trainer certs (pistol/rifle), so reloading in 9MM, 45ACP and 223 helps ALOT with the cost of shooting. Ive looked at reloading for 12ga, but the price for factory ammo isnt that bad, and Id have to buy a whole new setup and I dont shoot alot of shotgun (yet). Maybe if I find the time to get into 3-gun more, I might get something better than a Pardner Pump and invest in shotgun reloading.

Dang, how many of us shooters are there?
I don't reload. Most of my ammo is cheap Russian surplus.

I'm terribly confused - do you not have to reload to shoot again?

Forgive my ignorance, but it sounds like you reload the gun versus being sold a whole new gun.

 Davylove21 wrote:
I'm terribly confused - do you not have to reload to shoot again?

Forgive my ignorance, but it sounds like you reload the gun versus being sold a whole new gun.

Reload in this instance is talking about using the spent brass casings and putting in new bullets and powder. It's cheaper and offers more specific performances from the round but it's time consuming and requires special equipment.

 cincydooley wrote:
Peace out. Let us know if you dump your stuff.

I'll answer your question too:

The increase of $$ from GW has actually turned me to purchasing more from Forge World. That and I'm finally getting stuff 100% painted. But when GW releases kits I like, I still buy them. I simply budget accordingly and then make the purchase.

Cheers.

exactly the same! With GW's prices of their miniatures rising and rising and their quality (IMO) lowering, I have just said to myself would I rather spend that £50 on a warp beast or Angron. Well we both know the answer to that! Forge world is definitely the Bly real thing I buy now.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

WOW, that's a GREAT idea!! <sarcasm>

Guess you missed the part where I said:

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

No, I didn't miss it. I just think thats a poor excuse why you can no longer add a box or two to your collection every here and there.

Because he believes them to be overpriced. Why can't you understand that? Any number of people have tried to explain it to you and you just don't believe it to be possible. GW is outpricing what people are willing to pay for their models. It's not a "I can't afford it." It's "I don't want to pay that much for it." I think I'll go buy a donkey because it will be less stubborn than you.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Dang, how many of us shooters are there?
I don't reload. Most of my ammo is cheap Russian surplus.

Yeah, Tula and Wolf do NOT touch my firearms. I once had a student who got some 223 for my AR I lent him and the ammo left that thing dirty dirty dirty. Besides, I cant reload the steel case.


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 Davylove21 wrote:
I'm terribly confused - do you not have to reload to shoot again?

Forgive my ignorance, but it sounds like you reload the gun versus being sold a whole new gun.

In this case, we're talking about the ammunition itself.

A round (cartridge) is the whole of the parts that make up ammunition.

The bullet itself is the projectile.

The primer is a wee button at the end of the case that when struck by the firing pin, ignites the gunpowder. Modern smokeless gunpowder by the way is NOT an explosive, it is a propellant. The pressure buildup of the burning powder is what propels the bullet through the barrel. Black powder however is an explosive, and used almost exclusively in older percussion/flint lock firearms.

The casing holds both the bullet as well as the primer and gunpowder. Usually made of brass or steel.

When reloading ammunition (as opposed to reloading a firearm), you deprime and size the case, prime it, then drop the precise amount of powder measured in grains into the case, then seat the bullet using a press.

 Surtur wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

WOW, that's a GREAT idea!! <sarcasm>

Guess you missed the part where I said:

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

No, I didn't miss it. I just think thats a poor excuse why you can no longer add a box or two to your collection every here and there.

Because he believes them to be overpriced. Why can't you understand that? Any number of people have tried to explain it to you and you just don't believe it to be possible. GW is outpricing what people are willing to pay for their models. It's not a "I can't afford it." It's "I don't want to pay that much for it." I think I'll go buy a donkey because it will be less stubborn than you.

Please. Ignore the other 5 or 6 posts involved in that particular conversation. No worries.

 Surtur wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

WOW, that's a GREAT idea!! <sarcasm>

Guess you missed the part where I said:

So, we'll just use my 25 year collection and stick with 4th or 5th ed, whichever he agrees to. He can pick Tau, Nids, IG, Orks, SM (4 chapters to chose), GK or CSM.

No, I didn't miss it. I just think thats a poor excuse why you can no longer add a box or two to your collection every here and there.

Because he believes them to be overpriced. Why can't you understand that? Any number of people have tried to explain it to you and you just don't believe it to be possible. GW is outpricing what people are willing to pay for their models. It's not a "I can't afford it." It's "I don't want to pay that much for it." I think I'll go buy a donkey because it will be less stubborn than you.

Thanks for the solidarity, but we put this to bed and made friends about 6 posts back