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I have been watching ESPN, the New England Patriots, Florida University, and EA sports have all removed any images or mentions of Aaron Hernandez from their records. If it wasn't for his murder charge he would be completely forgotten from the public record.

So this got me thinking, the legions must have done something that would make the Imperium look bad, guilt by association.

With Aaron Hernandez, they don't want their organizations to be associated with violence, and thus LOWER PROFITS!!!

Which makes me think the legion(s) attacked an Imperial institutuion(my quess the Mechanicus), and before the extent could be reported all records were wiped. Yet the event had to be so large in scale that a simple holocaust and/or mind wipe would not be sufficient enough to suppress the story.

But it still raises the question, what could these legions have done that woukd have made the genocidal IOM cringe with fear? Again something to do with the Emperor, something that threatened his power.

Either way another lost legions thread, but I thought there could be a parallel between the two.

you think they offered power armor swaps for the space marines of the banished legions and they filled out the other legions as fair weather fans?

Hahaaaaa, I hope that was a joke. Yeh that would be an interesting way to get rid of the evidence.

Well, I'll give this credit as one of the more amusing "Lost Legion threads", but no more worthwhile.

The Imperium has no worry about looking bad by association. It has no competitors. Whereas an NFL team is a branded entity with a customer base an an agenda based on making profits, the Imperium has a monopoly on "being human" with a corporate strategy of "murder or absorb all competitors".

The Lost Legions, for whatever reason, had a Primarch who was either not viable, or otherwise corrupted. At this point, with all the extrapolation by TBL, it's kinda hard to figure out what that was. And if you look at the ludicrous time table provided by the TBL editor of the primarch order, it makes even less sense.

But ultimately, it's highly unlikely that it was anything the Primarchs "did". There's just not enough time for it. It's probably more to do with what they "were" when found.

The first Lost Legion Primarch married the Big E's best hoe, this was in direct opposition to The Emprah's decree that a Primarch never makes a hoe his wife.

The Second Lost Legion Primarch flexed nuts, and as the ancient terran hynm goes, "Real gangsta ass n****s don't flex nuts because real gangsta ass n****s know they got em"

As such the Emperor had no choice but to eliminate all traces of the two primarch lest he bring an untold amount of disrespect to his Imperium or as was noted in pre-heresy vox recordings, "He didn't want to look like a weak ass fool in front of the Xenos"

2x210 wrote:
The first Lost Legion Primarch married the Big E's best hoe, this was in direct opposition to The Emprah's decree that a Primarch never makes a hoe his wife.

The Second Lost Legion Primarch flexed nuts, and as the ancient terran hynm goes, "Real gangsta ass n****s don't flex nuts because real gangsta ass n****s know they got em"

As such the Emperor had no choice but to eliminate all traces of the two primarch lest he bring an untold amount of disrespect to his Imperium or as was noted in pre-heresy vox recordings, "He didn't want to look like a weak ass fool in front of the Xenos"

Yo, stop running your mouth, homie. Snitches get stitches, son.

/ Today I didn't even have to use my A.K.
I got to say it was a good day (s**t!)
- Attributed to the ancient Terran Poet, Cube of Ice

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But ultimately, it's highly unlikely that it was anything the Primarchs "did". There's just not enough time for it. It's probably more to do with what they "were" when found.

It's been stated at least once that all 20 Primarchs took command of their Legions, which suggests to me its not so much who they were (as they were believed competent enough to lead a Legion), but what they did.

Or the last 2 primarchs turned out to be girls and the imperium went nuts and said we can not have female space marine, its bad enough we have those dang sisters of battle. lol.

 Just Dave wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But ultimately, it's highly unlikely that it was anything the Primarchs "did". There's just not enough time for it. It's probably more to do with what they "were" when found.

It's been stated at least once that all 20 Primarchs took command of their Legions, which suggests to me its not so much who they were (as they were believed competent enough to lead a Legion), but what they did.

Lots of things have been stated at least once and then been retconned.

Welcome to 40K.

Yeh I am sure if there was a way to make more money off lost legion armies GW would have done it already. So re-writing history will always be apart of 40k.

Another thought, what if Guilliman was the one who wanted to remove all the records of the lost legions?

If I am dead wrong, forgive me but I thought all records were removed after the heresy? Does it say specifically the Emperor wanted the records removed, or was it the High Lords of Terra(I think this makes the most sense)? Perhaps whatever they did wasn't against the big E but against one of his underlings.

In other threads it seems pretty obvious that one of the Primarchs and his legion suffered a mutation( I don't have the book but it had something to do with Sanguinius killing a marine with the Red Thirst. Fearing that if others found out they would remove his statue from Terra).

Yet I find it fascinating how quickly the PR campaign for the Pats have gone to great lengths to get peole to forget about Hernandez. They fear this could make people believe the Pat's front office is bad at their jobs (to say the least) and thus not worth all that endorsement money.

I just thought the Imperium could have faced a similar issue in some form of another.

The records were removed Prior to the Heresy. In one of the HH novels (I don't remember which exactly) Malcador and Dorn are talking and Dorn mentions regret that his two lost brothers couldn't be there to aid in the defense and Malcador says something about mentioning them being forbidden by the Emperor.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But ultimately, it's highly unlikely that it was anything the Primarchs "did". There's just not enough time for it. It's probably more to do with what they "were" when found.

It's been stated at least once that all 20 Primarchs took command of their Legions, which suggests to me its not so much who they were (as they were believed competent enough to lead a Legion), but what they did.

Lots of things have been stated at least once and then been retconned.

Welcome to 40K.

I'm quite aware, but you could use that statement to try and falsify any claim in 40k fiction, mine or yours; it'd render discussion and debate meaningless.

I can't see the basis for your idea that it was "who" they are, not "what" they did. Many recent hints within BL suggest that it would be what they did that caused them to be stricken: the 20 plinths, Lorgar's fear, their oaths to silence...


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Spartak wrote:
The records were removed Prior to the Heresy. In one of the HH novels (I don't remember which exactly) Malcador and Dorn are talking and Dorn mentions regret that his two lost brothers couldn't be there to aid in the defense and Malcador says something about mentioning them being forbidden by the Emperor.

That was The Lightning Tower IIRC.

It would have had to have happened before the heresy, otherwise it would be rediculous to not have any info on them.


Logically thinking about it, one of them should be a psycher, as either a backup for the "Stick magus in the golden throne plan" or just due to chaos influence. He probably was corrupted somehow and the emporer struck him from the list at that point.

The other could have met with the emporer and his brothers, then due to either mental illness or psychosymatic stress issues of some sort been retired from the frontlines. The emporer could then have sent him off to live a peaceful life somewhere and made everyone think he had died in some manner to give him piece.

The Heresy books hint that at least one chapter suffered from extreme mutation and was eliminated by the Space Wolves.

Given Sanguinious extreme efforts to hide his chapter's flaw, and Magnus nearly losing his chapter to mutation, it does seem possible that early on one of the chapters suffered extreme mutations and was put down, then erased from the record to hide it. If the Primarch also suffered from the same issue, that would explain why his statue no longer exists as well.

I could have sworn that in one of the HH books (no idea which one), it hinted that the Ultramarines received the remnants of one of the lost legions, which is why they are such a large legion. I could be wrong, just thought i'd put it out there.

Musselman wrote:
Another thought, what if Guilliman was the one who wanted to remove all the records of the lost legions?

If I am dead wrong, forgive me but I thought all records were removed after the heresy? Does it say specifically the Emperor wanted the records removed, or was it the High Lords of Terra(I think this makes the most sense)? Perhaps whatever they did wasn't against the big E but against one of his underlings.

 Musashi363 wrote:
I could have sworn that in one of the HH books (no idea which one), it hinted that the Ultramarines received the remnants of one of the lost legions, which is why they are such a large legion. I could be wrong, just thought i'd put it out there.

To respond to both of your comments, the Emperor ordered to erase all data of the II and XI Legion during the Great Crusade, right after their Primarchs were declared missing.
Shortly after that, the Ultramarines strength "somehow" got increased by dozens of thousands of Astartes. Are you thinking what I am thinking? Guilliman, you piece of-

AD-B confirmed the latter point to be idle speculation by the Word Bearers: the Ultramarines are the size they are because of Guilliman's organisational abilities and their recruiting from ~500 worlds; not because they absorbed a missing Legion.

 Just Dave wrote:
AD-B confirmed the latter point to be idle speculation by the Word Bearers: the Ultramarines are the size they are because of Guilliman's organisational abilities and their recruiting from ~500 worlds; not because they absorbed a missing Legion.

If that's so, I still wonder where the former legionnaires go. They didn't just take their armour off and call it a day?

 Tigramans wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
AD-B confirmed the latter point to be idle speculation by the Word Bearers: the Ultramarines are the size they are because of Guilliman's organisational abilities and their recruiting from ~500 worlds; not because they absorbed a missing Legion.

If that's so, I still wonder where the former legionnaires go. They didn't just take their armour off and call it a day?

They could be dead, lost, stuck in a queue, anything: the ambiguity to their fate is the whole point of the missing Legions.

I read somewhere that gw made the lost legions so that you can make up your own chapters and storys etc