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Hey everybody! You might remember me as the guy who made a custom covenant codex about a year or more ago. I am back again with the Flood, as they are awesome.

Now, this is an INCREDIBLY rough draft version. I seriously just cobbled this together really quickly. It is probably terribly unbalanced, and over/undercosted, but you have to start somewhere, right? I plan to balance it with your help, and eventually format it like an official codex with pictures and a beastiary and all that stuff, but for now this will suffice while i iron out the details of the list itself.

So, tell me what you think. Any feedback at all is appreciated, on cost, unit stats, special rules, unit types, all that stuff, whatever. Anything and everything is appreciated, as long as it is constructive.

Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Juggernaut not stronk enough. 200 points and make stronger D:

 Kain wrote:


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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

weird... it clearly worked for chris...

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

3 points per combat form? for a 2 attack guardsman with fearless and feel no pain? no way that's classed as 'as bad as a gretchin'.

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

Where it is said that the Prometheans were immune to the Logic Plague? Offensive probably never let itself be in direct contact with The Flood
And the Flood evolves as it spreads, it was stated in Halo 3 and reinforced with Halo Wars. A infection that has spread through a considerable part of the galaxy would be far more advanced that what was seen in the games.
The Forerunner saga is about the tragedy of the fall of the Ecumeme. We already knew that the Flood had stomped the Forerunners.

And if we go by fluff, both Necrons and Daemons should be immune to poisoned weapons, but they aren't.

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

Where it is said that the Prometheans were immune to the Logic Plague? Offensive probably never let itself be in direct contact with Flood
And the Flood evolves as it spreads, it was stated in Halo 3 and reinforced with Halo Wars. A infection that has spread through a considerable part of the galaxy would be far more advanced that what was seen in the games.
The Forerunner saga is about the tragedy of the fall of the Ecumeme. We already knew that the Flood had stomped the Forerunners.

And if we go by fluff, both Necrons and Daemons should be immune to poisoned weapons, but they aren't.

The fact that the Prometheans can dive into flood ships without a care for this plague shows that 343 either thinks it's stupid and ditched it or that Prometheans are immune. End of.

And trying to justify it doesn't change the fact that they're boring, incongruous with the games, and lead by a gratingly annoying mary sue who talks in pentameter.

Bears wrote himself into a corner and asspulled his way to a flood victory.

Dan Abnett he is not.

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

Where it is said that the Prometheans were immune to the Logic Plague? Offensive probably never let itself be in direct contact with Flood
And the Flood evolves as it spreads, it was stated in Halo 3 and reinforced with Halo Wars. A infection that has spread through a considerable part of the galaxy would be far more advanced that what was seen in the games.
The Forerunner saga is about the tragedy of the fall of the Ecumeme. We already knew that the Flood had stomped the Forerunners.

And if we go by fluff, both Necrons and Daemons should be immune to poisoned weapons, but they aren't.

The fact that the Prometheans can dive into flood ships without a care for this plague shows that 343 either thinks it's stupid and ditched it or that Prometheans are immune. End of.

And trying to justify it doesn't change the fact that they're boring, incongruous with the games, and lead by a gratingly annoying mary sue who talks in pentameter.

Bears wrote himself into a corner and asspulled his way to a flood victory.

Dan Abnett he is not.

First of all, in which way the are incongruous?
Second, just make a quick search, and it seems that to be immune to the Logic Plague the IA has to be simple, without higher thought. So Necron warriors and other lowly Necrons would indeed be immune, but Necron lords and other higher Necrons would not.

Instead of the converted victims being replaced by bog standard combat forms, why not have infectee retains their wargear and stats albeit at a reduced state? Like a infected Space Marine would be WS 4 BS 2 or something like that.

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

Where it is said that the Prometheans were immune to the Logic Plague? Offensive probably never let itself be in direct contact with Flood
And the Flood evolves as it spreads, it was stated in Halo 3 and reinforced with Halo Wars. A infection that has spread through a considerable part of the galaxy would be far more advanced that what was seen in the games.
The Forerunner saga is about the tragedy of the fall of the Ecumeme. We already knew that the Flood had stomped the Forerunners.

And if we go by fluff, both Necrons and Daemons should be immune to poisoned weapons, but they aren't.

The fact that the Prometheans can dive into flood ships without a care for this plague shows that 343 either thinks it's stupid and ditched it or that Prometheans are immune. End of.

And trying to justify it doesn't change the fact that they're boring, incongruous with the games, and lead by a gratingly annoying mary sue who talks in pentameter.

Bears wrote himself into a corner and asspulled his way to a flood victory.

Dan Abnett he is not.

First of all, in which way the are incongruous?
Second, just make a quick search, and it seems that to be immune to the Logic Plague the IA has to be simple, without higher thought. So Necron warriors and other lowly Necrons would indeed be immune, but Necron lords and other higher Necrons would not.

Ridiculous bouncing potatos who get slaughtered by SMGs are a threat to suits that crap on MjOLNIR armor.

Prometheans seem to retain higher thought and could freely dive into ships and solo all the flood inside.

Bottomline, Bears is a man of some (but grossly overrated) talent whom 343 seems to give lip service at best and is unduly worshipped on SB.com's den of Halo fanboys.

You want truly epic Scifi? Read Larry Niven or Iain M Banks and don't look back.

I like it, It will be played like a Swarm army with little AT.
It seams Balanced.

Will have 1 hell of a time fighting Mech armys or Air cav.

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Put in a rule that says that Daemons and Necrons are immune to infection forms.




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Also when I downloaded it I got a mess of scripting.

Why? poison affects both Daemons and Necrons, you could even justify the Necrons with the Logic Plague.

Necrons are souls in robots, just like the Prometheans who are immune to said plague.

Offensive Bias was also impervious to the logic plague.

Generally Bear's depiction of the Flood is so utterly incongruous with what is seen in the games as to weaken the story with a boring invincible villain lead by a rhyming mary sue.

His stuff about the Ecumene is beautiful, but his Flood stuff is eyeroll worthy.

Also Daemons are solidified energy forms.

Where it is said that the Prometheans were immune to the Logic Plague? Offensive probably never let itself be in direct contact with Flood
And the Flood evolves as it spreads, it was stated in Halo 3 and reinforced with Halo Wars. A infection that has spread through a considerable part of the galaxy would be far more advanced that what was seen in the games.
The Forerunner saga is about the tragedy of the fall of the Ecumeme. We already knew that the Flood had stomped the Forerunners.

And if we go by fluff, both Necrons and Daemons should be immune to poisoned weapons, but they aren't.

The fact that the Prometheans can dive into flood ships without a care for this plague shows that 343 either thinks it's stupid and ditched it or that Prometheans are immune. End of.

And trying to justify it doesn't change the fact that they're boring, incongruous with the games, and lead by a gratingly annoying mary sue who talks in pentameter.

Bears wrote himself into a corner and asspulled his way to a flood victory.

Dan Abnett he is not.

First of all, in which way the are incongruous?
Second, just make a quick search, and it seems that to be immune to the Logic Plague the IA has to be simple, without higher thought. So Necron warriors and other lowly Necrons would indeed be immune, but Necron lords and other higher Necrons would not.

Ridiculous bouncing potatos who get slaughtered by SMGs are a threat to suits that crap on MjOLNIR armor.

Prometheans seem to retain higher thought and could freely dive into ships and solo all the flood inside.

Bottomline, Bears is a man of some (but grossly overrated) talent whom 343 seems to give lip service at best and is unduly worshipped on SB.com's den of Halo fanboys.

You want truly epic Scifi? Read Larry Niven or Iain M Banks and don't look back.

The Flood beating the Forerunners is a fact of the Halo verse since Halo 1. Infection forms always have only been a threat to unshielded infantry. It is the combat forms with stolen technology and the pure forms that always have been a threat. Then Greag Bear gave the Flood the Logic Plague, Keyminds and Star Roads. And do not forget the decapitation strike against the Forerunner capital.

Prometheans Knights are drones, they have enough intelligence to be pointed in a direction and go there shooting at all the enemies on the way, they lack free will, the probably even lack sentience, they are extremely similar to Necron Warriors. And we don't know how they destroyed the Flood ships, for all we know they could simply dive inside the ship carrying a nuke and blowing up themselves once inside.

Bears said that Forerunners pretty much live in their suits. Strike one. Then he gave them powers out of the blue, strike two. Finally he made the Forerunners more powerful than needed, strike three. And Bears is out as a writing god!

The Forerunners could very well have been made weaker than what he presented them as, the megaprojects taking millennia and blood sweat and toil rather than being made without a second thought.

There was no need to make them culture wannabes, and if they weren't, a flood victory wouldn't have needed ridiculous mary sues and gods. And rereading the trilogy, holy crap is Bears overrated.

Also, if Prometheans retain no sapience, then there would be no point in needing intelligent beings to digitize. I think the better explanation is that they lose emotions rather than higher thought.
Without emotion, they just lose Drive and independent ambition.

But of course 343 ignored him a lot.

He said that forerunners are beautiful to humans, elf like even. 343 gave us pretty ugly aliens. So he had to make an Author's saving throw in Silentium.

His characterization of the Ur-Didact was incongruous with Halo 4s so he had to pull something out of his ass with a mind rape subplot that made no sense in Silentium.

He says light rifles are primarily an Anti-Flood weapon, H4 seems to make them or something damn similar the Forerunner's main weapon.

All the better for it, the more 343 ignores Bears, the stronger their new trilogy will be.

 Kain wrote:
Bears said that Forerunners pretty much live in their suits. Strike one. Then he gave them powers out of the blue, strike two. Finally he made the Forerunners more powerful than needed, strike three. And Bears is out as a writing god!

The Forerunners could very well have been made weaker than what he presented them as, the megaprojects taking millennia and blood sweat and toil rather than being made without a second thought.

There was no need to make them culture wannabes, and if they weren't, a flood victory wouldn't have needed ridiculous mary sues and gods. And rereading the trilogy, holy crap is Bears overrated.

Also, if Prometheans retain no sapience, then there would be no point in needing intelligent beings to digitize. I think the better explanation is that they lose emotions rather than higher thought.
Without emotion, they just lose Drive and independent ambition.

But of course 343 ignored him a lot.

He said that forerunners are beautiful to humans, elf like even. 343 gave us pretty ugly aliens. So he had to make an Author's saving throw in Silentium.

His characterization of the Ur-Didact was incongruous with Halo 4s so he had to pull something out of his ass with a mind rape subplot that made no sense in Silentium.

He says light rifles are primarily an Anti-Flood weapon, H4 seems to make them or something damn similar the Forerunner's main weapon.

All the better for it, the more 343 ignores Bears, the stronger their new trilogy will be.

The Forerunners always have been represented as having awesome technology, the Halo Array, the Onyx Shield World, their Suits, their Ships, all of that precedes Bear trilogy.
The Forerunners always had their suits, but the Flood can turn them off with suppressors, or kill them with weapons.
Yeah he boosted both the Forerunners and the Flood, and?

And the Didact is crazy, Halo 4 showed us that his plan was crazy and didn't have hope of succeeding. That the Halo Array was the only option.
Bear showed us how he became crazy. His plan isn't based on logic, there is no point of composing sentient beings, they already have sentinels. And even then the Prometheans Knights couldn't threaten the strongest weapon of the Flood, its Star Roads.

As for the Light rifle, all of the Forerunner weapons in Halo 4 were anti-Flood weapons, they disintegrate their target which is useful vs the Flood.

All of which could have been shown as taking a long time to build or being one off megaprojects rather than snap of the finger leftovers.

And my overall point is that Bears is a mediocre to decent author who made a setting needlessly more potent than it needed to be when making the Forerunners Galactic Empire level or below would have worked fine. Instead he had to rip off the works of Banks to create his Elves in space.

Bears only made him crazy in Silentium after Halo 4 was released because he realized 343 had ignored him and rendered his characterization of the character null and void.

Obviously you're being fed what you want to hear from SB.net and I will just continue in my opinion that Bears isn't very good and the winners of the war in heaven who overthrew their own gods and cast down the scaly lords of the Galaxy are superior to the works of someone who stopped the story to gush about how pretty the Librarian is.

 Kain wrote:
All of which could have been shown as taking a long time to build or being one off megaprojects rather than snap of the finger leftovers.

And my overall point is that Bears is a mediocre to decent author who made a setting needlessly more potent than it needed to be when making the Forerunners Galactic Empire level or below would have worked fine. Instead he had to rip off the works of Banks to create his Elves in space.

Bears only made him crazy in Silentium after Halo 4 was released because he realized 343 had ignored him and rendered his characterization of the character null and void.

Obviously you're being fed what you want to hear from SB.net and I will just continue in my opinion that Bears isn't very good and the winners of the war in heaven who overthrew their own gods and cast down the scaly lords of the Galaxy are superior to the works of someone who stopped the story to gush about how pretty the Librarian is.

You seem butthurt from the VS debates of SB.com, you are probably either a WH40K or a SW fanboy, probably both. And you probably are familiar with Ramas calcs with all your moaning about the Forerunners megastructures' construction, guess what? that calcs are made with the assumption that the Didact took 8000 thousands years to build, it is a low-end calc. And even before Bear the Forerunner were displayed as stronger than the Galactic Empire.

When Halo 4 was released, the Ur-Didact was believed dead and the Iso-Didact was last seen in the Ark, the Halo 4 Didact characterization doesn't makes sense without Silentium explaining things.

And to finish, the standard of beauty has changed through all the time, the Aztecs standard of beauty was far different than the European one, or the Asian one, or the African one. The Librarian literary had reprogrammed their brains, so it isn't hard to believe a standard of beauty based on the Librarian when they already had her in their brains.

And I almost forgot:

I'm familiar enough with scifi geek culture to know that SB exists and has a reputation for being overly fond of Halo, but I've never been on it. I was on the MSPA boards and Comic Vine before coming to Dakka.

I also poked around SD on occasion which is how I found out that they were giving Halo an unnecessary continuation (3 was a perfectly good ending) and found that the games past 3 were...shallow. No creative spark, no effort, just soulless cash grabbing.

Then someone pointed me to the Bears books which were okayyy but read more like Culture fanfiction than Halo.

But hey, I always thought Halo was only special for multiplayer. The single player had great production values and for the time a good plot but it's fallen to Seinfelditis.

 Kain wrote:

I also poked around SD on occasion which is how I found out that they were giving Halo an unnecessary continuation (3 was a perfectly good ending) and found that the games past 3 were...shallow. No creative spark, no effort, just soulless cash grabbing.

On that we agree. But money governs this world, and Halo gives a lot of it, so it was inevitable.

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

I also poked around SD on occasion which is how I found out that they were giving Halo an unnecessary continuation (3 was a perfectly good ending) and found that the games past 3 were...shallow. No creative spark, no effort, just soulless cash grabbing.

On that we agree. But money governs this world, and Halo gives a lot of it, so it was inevitable.

ODST and Anniversary were the epitome of laziness. As Angry Joe said, ODST was a twenty dollar expansion pack being charged at full game prices. Bleargh, it was like Bungie itself got tired of the series.

 Kain wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Kain wrote:

I also poked around SD on occasion which is how I found out that they were giving Halo an unnecessary continuation (3 was a perfectly good ending) and found that the games past 3 were...shallow. No creative spark, no effort, just soulless cash grabbing.

On that we agree. But money governs this world, and Halo gives a lot of it, so it was inevitable.

ODST and Anniversary were the epitome of laziness. As Angry Joe said, ODST was a twenty dollar expansion pack being charged at full game prices. Bleargh, Bungie itself got tired of the series.

There, fixed.

Thanks for all the replies but I would like to kindly ask you to stay on topic please, haha

If I made Necrons and Daemons immune to Infection, Flood armies would be mauled by them severely, it puts the Flood at a bad disadvantage.

some bloke wrote:
3 points per combat form? for a 2 attack guardsman with fearless and feel no pain? no way that's classed as 'as bad as a gretchin'.

Good point, i will change it. 4 or 5, perhaps?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Instead of the converted victims being replaced by bog standard combat forms, why not have infectee retains their wargear and stats albeit at a reduced state? Like a infected Space Marine would be WS 4 BS 2 or something like that.

I had considered that, but thought that it may get a little too confusing. I think that infected do retain their old Wargear though, if I missed that i will fix it.

 kinratha wrote:
I like it, It will be played like a Swarm army with little AT.
It seams Balanced.

Will have 1 hell of a time fighting Mech armys or Air cav.

Thank you
That is how i intended it, although the Flood have a few minor measures against vehicles. I pity the Flood player who goes up against Flyers haha

Just a minor bump haha