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Ok so there has been a bit of discussion at our local store over drop pods not being able to fire any blast weapons when deployed. Nothing in the deep strike rules says it can not fire, it actually says it can fire normally (or run for troops). When looking at the codex both SM and SW it just says its occupants can not assault. So they all say it can not fire a blast weapon but no one can show any text from rule book or codex' stating other wise. To me i would say they can shoot or else it would make things like the Deathstorm drop pod worthless as it can not do anything its first turn and likely be turned and blown up. so what are yalls thoughts or do yall have the reference for this, cause id like to clear things up on this one.

Page 36, left column, last paragraph, second sentence. Cross-referenced with page 71, right column, Moving and Shooting with Vehicles.

Vehicles arriving by deep strike count as moving at cruising speed. (Non-fast) vehicles moving at cruising speed must snap fire all of their weapons. Blast weapons can not snap fire.

Conclusion: drop pods armed with blast weapons may not fire them on the turn they arrive.

holy crap i totally over looked that last part of page 36... bah it was driving me crazy

So yes, Deathstorms, along with most other vehicle-mounted Blast weapons, are not worth the points in 6th edition.

 insaniak wrote:
So yes, Deathstorms, along with most other vehicle-mounted Blast weapons, are not worth the points in 6th edition.

*Unless your vehicle has the Heavy rule

Then it could be worth the points.

But we are talking about d pods, and those are not

ninjafiredragon wrote:
But we are talking about d pods, and those are not

1) Worth the points or not is really not what is being asked.

2) worth the points is really a subjective issue.

Another question relating to Drop Pods, How many models can they carry ??

I use the Space Wolves now but I used to build the Space Marines, SM DP can carry 12 and the SW DP can carry 10!

Why can the Space Marine Drop Pod carry more?

Because it is a different codex, The Space Wolves do not adhere strictly to the Codex Astartes and therefore are penalized for being as close to heretical as possible while still being the faithful lapdog of the false-empero ........ ahem, the Emperor of Mankind's clean-up crew.

It's a known discrepancy, but never corrected in a FAQ.

It's possible the new SM codex will change this back to 10 (to match the 6th Ed. DA Codex), or they might remain as they are as some sort of reason to use the base codex.

It's simply a matter of codex differences Jaymez, BA pods only hold 10 as well. Also, in general it's best to start a new thread rather than piggy back, especially since you have a different question altogether. Lastly, that's not really a "you make the call" discussion as you already know the rules, it's more a discussion question.

LibrarianJaymez wrote:
Another question relating to Drop Pods, How many models can they carry ??

I use the Space Wolves now but I used to build the Space Marines, SM DP can carry 12 and the SW DP can carry 10!

Why can the Space Marine Drop Pod carry more?

Book of Armaments Chapter 2 verses 9-21 wrote:And the EMPEROR spake, saying, "First shalt thou line up by squads, then shalt thou count to ten, no more, no less. Ten shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be ten. Eleven shalt thou not count, neither count thou nine, excepting that thou then proceed to ten. Twelve is right out. Once the number ten, being the tenth number, be reached, then climb into thy Drop Pod and launch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."

The Holy Drop Pod of Antioch?

 Quanar wrote:
It's a known discrepancy, but never corrected in a FAQ.

It's possible the new SM codex will change this back to 10 (to match the 6th Ed. DA Codex), or they might remain as they are as some sort of reason to use the base codex.

It was designed that way, due to the limitations of the tac squad requirements stopping you from taking ANY special / heavy unlerss you are 10 man unit.

So they get to add an IC while still keeping special weapons.

(I'm not sure which takes precedence between Thread Necromancy and Duplicate Threads, so sorry if I made the wrong choice)

Has this been changed in the new Space Marine codex? Especially with the Deathstorm Drop Pods in IA12; can they just fire 0 of those 5 Blast weapons the turn they show up? Especially silly given that they have a rule specifically relating to Panic checks it causes the turn it shows up.

What are you expecting the SM codex to have changed given it was all rulebook rules that prevented this?

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
(I'm not sure which takes precedence between Thread Necromancy and Duplicate Threads, so sorry if I made the wrong choice)

Threadromancy most likely, Duplicate threads is for threads still on the first one or maybe three pages, not three-month-old threads.

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Has this been changed in the new Space Marine codex? Especially with the Deathstorm Drop Pods in IA12; can they just fire 0 of those 5 Blast weapons the turn they show up? Especially silly given that they have a rule specifically relating to Panic checks it causes the turn it shows up.

You'd need to be looking for a Forgeworld FAQ there, it's not going to mention anything in the SM codex about an IA unit.

 Quanar wrote:

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Has this been changed in the new Space Marine codex? Especially with the Deathstorm Drop Pods in IA12; can they just fire 0 of those 5 Blast weapons the turn they show up? Especially silly given that they have a rule specifically relating to Panic checks it causes the turn it shows up.

You'd need to be looking for a Forgeworld FAQ there, it's not going to mention anything in the SM codex about an IA unit.

Something changing the way Drop Pods work, Space Marines pretty much being "the army that has drop pods" and the SM Codex being the newest of those. Like "May fire as if stationary on the turn it Deep Strikes" or "Heavy" or something.

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Something changing the way Drop Pods work, Space Marines pretty much being "the army that has drop pods" and the SM Codex being the newest of those. Like "May fire as if stationary on the turn it Deep Strikes" or "Heavy" or something.

Which wouldn't change the way, for example, Dark Angels Drop Pods worked, without a FAQ...

 Quanar wrote:

 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Something changing the way Drop Pods work, Space Marines pretty much being "the army that has drop pods" and the SM Codex being the newest of those. Like "May fire as if stationary on the turn it Deep Strikes" or "Heavy" or something.

Which wouldn't change the way, for example, Dark Angels Drop Pods worked, without a FAQ...

That's an excellent point. It sure wouldn't. A shame GW isn't always prompt on their FAQs.
Not that it should matter at all. My question was whether the new Space Marine book had something in it allowing the Drop Pods (in that book, if not elsewhere) to fire blasts on their first turn.

Something changing the way Drop Pods work, Space Marines pretty much being "the army that has drop pods" and the SM Codex being the newest of those. Like "May fire as if stationary on the turn it Deep Strikes" or "Heavy" or something.

Check the DP entry in the new codex that will answer your question very clearly then. Remember YMDC is not a substitute for a codex.

Just to point out, the old Black Templar codex specifically had a rule that allowed Deathwind Launchers to fire when it landed. Codex > RB, but now that book is gone....

 FlingitNow wrote:

Something changing the way Drop Pods work, Space Marines pretty much being "the army that has drop pods" and the SM Codex being the newest of those. Like "May fire as if stationary on the turn it Deep Strikes" or "Heavy" or something.

Check the DP entry in the new codex that will answer your question very clearly then. Remember YMDC is not a substitute for a codex.

I don't have the codex. I don't play Space Marines. I am not trying to build an army list.
If someone said "I'm looking at trying my all-mech force against my friend's Necrons tomorrow, is there anything I should know?" Is the proper answer "Maybe or maybe not, Tactics is not a substitute for owning a Codex."?
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Hobbs' comment was useful for such; it shows that GW understands (though I suppose perhaps has forgotten) that Pods need a specific rules exception to operate the way they may have been intended to, and that it might have been a deliberate choice to remove that functionality.

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