Savlar Chem dogs

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**Joseph Porta**

They loot/steal whatever they can, does this mean they also use a form of looted wagons, like the orks?

Cheers

**Flinty**

Its a big galaxy. Anything is possible.

**Joseph Porta**

True true, then I will start playing around with some plastic card!

**purplefood**

It's more likely any equipment they do have is stuff nicked from a scrapyard. Patched up chimeras, russes and hellhounds, with wildly differing colour schemes.

**Lynata**

Personally I would guess that the decrees propagated and enforced by the Adeptus Mechanicus about the "sanctity of the machine" etc would apply to the Savlar as well, and that the looting mentality would manifest itself more in "recovering and adopting" vehicles from other regiments operating in their proximity.

But since all fluff is just interpretation anyways, feel free to go wild if you really like that idea. At the very least it'd fit the visual style.

**Flinty**

As long as they have a friendly tech priest around to bless whatever vehicles they can salvage, then its kosher

Its in the background as well with Cain nicking a bunch of Ork vehicles and having an ordained member of the AdMech on hand to help keep them running.

**Lynata**

Ah, the same Cain novels that have a dozen other instances of where the author doesn't care for GW fluff? Okay...

**Veteran Sergeant**

Well, there's always a difference between what is policy and what is practice, especially in war.

Remember, it's only heresy if you get caught.

**purplefood**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Well, there's always a difference between what is policy and what is practice, especially in war.

Remember, it's only heresy if you get caught.

This is essentially it. The chem dogs are criminal drug addicts that use said drugs to make themselves better fighters. They steal, lie and generally cheat when it comes to warfare.

**Lynata**

purplefood wrote:This is essentially it. The chem dogs are criminal drug addicts that use said drugs to make themselves better fighters. They steal, lie and generally cheat when it comes to warfare.

Oh, don't get me wrong, my comment was just about the possibility of AdMech Tech-Priests going "lol okay" and helping them to cobble together some Orkish monstrosity.

But I admit even that is a matter of interpretations.

**Veteran Sergeant**

I admittedly have not read the book in question, but the context is probably important.

Did he salvage the ork vehicles out of necessity?

After all, what is the greater heresy? Failing the Emperor, or driving a xenos trukk?

**Joseph Porta**

I will base them off original vehicles but as i am a rookie with the plastic card and making them look a bit "looted" will certainly make it less hard for me and a good way to start practicing scratch made things! Thanks for the info, will certainly keep it in mind!

**purplefood**

Joseph Porta wrote:
I will base them off original vehicles but as i am a rookie with the plastic card and making them look a bit "looted" will certainly make it less hard for me and a good way to start practicing scratch made things! Thanks for the info, will certainly keep it in mind!

If I were you i'd try to make itlooks like humans repaired it. So just a slab of metal and some rivets rather than some terrifying metal teethed monstrosity

**thetallestgiraffe**

It wouldn't work if they were using the ork wagons. One of the points about orks is that the tech they make can only be used by them, as it is hard wired into them how to build and use their tech.

**Da Butcha**

thetallestgiraffe wrote:
It wouldn't work if they were using the ork wagons. One of the points about orks is that the tech they make can only be used by them, as it is hard wired into them how to build and use their tech.

That would be incorrect. While some, particularly 'esoteric', ork technology doesn't seem to be able to function when examined by Imperial xenos researchers, there's a LOT of robust, basic ork technology which is easily operated by Imperial (or Chaos) forces.

Spoiler:

Sorry. This is one of my pet peeves with orks. The fact that orks have a low level, gestalt psychic field is a cool idea, but I keep seeing it used to explain away anything and everything. It's a subtle effect for the most part, not the ork equivalent of "A wizard did it."

**Bobthehero**

You, over me, I like you.

I'd say it also makes their technology more reliable in their hands, but that'd be about, that shoota's going to need ammunition and most/all the pieces to make it fire, a wooden stick is not a power klaw either.

**thetallestgiraffe**

Doesn't that mean though that people who aren't orcs wouldn't be able to use their tech very effectively at all?

**dementedwombat**

I'm guessing that it would break down significantly more often (I imagine that most ork tech is pretty reliable when they're using it, if only because they always expect it to work).

Another problem that nobody has mentioned is that any ork vehicle would be built to be driven by an ork (i.e. about 7 feet tall with giant over-long arms). I'd imagine the driver's compartment would need pretty extensive modification for a human to even reach the controls.

**Veteran Sergeant**

thetallestgiraffe wrote:
Doesn't that mean though that people who aren't orcs wouldn't be able to use their tech very effectively at all?

No.

Like the man said, the Ork psychic field allows some things that are impossible to be possible. It doesn't make all of them possible. A shoota still just is a gun that fires big bullets, and a trukk is a truck.

**Joseph Porta**

I will try to make it look like humans repaired the truck, allthough I will make it look a bit amaturish, pretty sure that will happen without tryingtoo hard!

**chyron**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I admittedly have not read the book in question, but the context is probably important.

Did he salvage the ork vehicles out of necessity?

After all, what is the greater heresy? Failing the Emperor, or driving a xenos trukk?

He salvaged them (along with lot of Imperial tech) while bein' behind enemy lines - just to provide his ragtag group of refugees and stragglers with means of transportation. BUT - only AM in picture was one punished for unorthodoxy (and of course hot girl and his GF later in the book

).

Also - there's number of episodes during Armageddon wars when imperial forces looted orkish vehicles.
AFAIK only more "esotheric" weapons and things like Gargants/Stompas weren't taken for the ride by Imperials...yet

**Flinty**

Also given that the Orks loot anything Imperial they can find, it could be the Chem Dogs re-looting stuff

**chyron**

Actually, from fluff POV if you somehow emphasize that loot is recent - ie from this campaign - i think you can get it plausible (ie things like hastily cleaned/repainted aquillas together with remaining ork paintjob on relooted vehicles, crudely amputated unfunctional decorations with paint patches and crude aquillas/skulls/gothic graffiti covering orky symbols on more orkish ones - ie not better than this - http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/starshinazapasa/19856618/387361/original.jpg).
No idea which tabletop rules for this loot will be though.