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Maybe fit in drop pods? I am guessing that they will probably be 1-3 or something of that nature, depending on what their stats end up being.

I'm still wondering why they have not one but two drills. Maybe they want to drill something while drilling something?

The second design derp I don't understand is the armpit launchers - why can't they just put them on the shoulders like Cyclone launchers? The launcher is an awesome concept anyways - "hey, let's walk in front of something and explode some frags on our nipples, that should teach them!".

Aaaand.. third, if they want mega-equipped marines, why not make them techmarines with harnesses for drills et al? I could totally see a veteran TM with a siege suit being a IW/IF thingie.

I want to say that I absolutely hate the look of the Centurions, but I can't even take them seriously. I might as well be criticizing a Homer Simpson marine or a Hello Kitty Dreadnought. They just look so completely absurd that I can't even muster up good honest hatred for the sculpt. Their tiny heads (relative to the scale of the body) make me giggle. They look like a guy wearing a home-made costume of a space marine. However, taste is, of course, subjective.

I will now rant on how much I hate these for reasons completely unrelated to their appearance:

Poor use of game resources. If the "shooty" Centurions are effective at their role, what will the role of Devastator squads be? If assault Centurions are effective, why would people take close-combat terminators. I have trouble envisioning any tactical role for Centurions that doesn't relegate Devastators, Terminators, or Dreadnoughts to irrelevance--and, if the Centurions aren't better at one of these roles than one of those units, why make them? If terminator armor was ideal for fighting in cramped, built up areas (Space Hulks), then what does this thing need breaching drills for? Marines (you know, those guys in Power Armor and Terminator Armor) were supposed to be, for most of the Imperium, the ultimate fighting forces in the galaxy. Why keep making things that are bigger and badder than them? Who is going to be impressed with a regular old space marine anymore?

Undermining the heroism of the Space Marines: Just like the Dreadknight really served to undercut the heroic stature of the Grey Knights fighting against monstrous daemons, the Centurion seems to really undermine the heroic nature of marines standing against monstrous creatures and other huge opponents. It doesn't really take a hero to fight someone your own size. The dreadnought was an outsize hero, based on being a hero of the Chapter. It seems like these guys just strap into the suits. How scary are big monsters if your own guys can easily field stuff just as big?

Undermining the warrior-monk image of the Space Marines: I can understand a Dreadnought. Sometimes a brother is too injured to survive unassisted, and the ONLY way for him to continue to serve is in the life support chamber of a Dreadnought. But it appears that marines just wear a Centurion suit. It seems, for lack of a better term, lazy for a marine. Rather than fighting on his own two feet and smiting his foes with his own strong arms, he sits in a suit and lets it do all the work. They seem like the marine equivalent of couch potatoes.

Violence to the background: Where have these things been for the last 10,000 years? I know that GW introduces new stuff, but Tactical Dreadnought armor was supposed to basically be the pinnacle of power armor technology, an arcane art lost to the ages. Is this stuff better? Why did we think terminator armor was so good if this thing was around? Is it worse? Why are we using it, then? I could understand introducing things like Fliers, as they opened the game up in a different way. We didn't see fliers before, but they were always there, just not in the table top games. Why is Centurion armor suddenly so common when it's never been mentioned before?

Pointless newness: If Forgeworld has shown us anything, it is that people freaking love power armor variants. Why the heck do you waste company resources designing some new suit of armor when it's pretty freaking obvious that variant suits of power armor and terminator armor will sell. GW is releasing Vanguard and Sternguard Veterans, so even THEY know that people will buy pretty new suits of power armor, even if it's just the same old 3+ save. Why roll out some completely different thing, when you could have released plastic Mark I, II, III, IV, etc. power armor? There's ten thousand years of history to explore without adding new stuff, and you add new stuff. Explore the world you already created!

The Death of Creative Terrain. With GW's emphasis on things like fliers and big stompy robots/monsters, you'll probably never see another battle on a Space Hulk, or in a city ruin, or deep underground. Why? Because all the new hotness won't fit on those boards! I'm not saying that the entire game should be small base infantry, but GW seems to push nothing but Big Epic Battles with Big Epic Bases all day. With so much emphasis on these types of models, entire types of battlefields just get neglected.

 dienekes96 wrote:
I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.

Are you ready for allies Brother?






The tank at least looks interesting and has some decent sounding rules. I could see the 3rd party market doing a much better job at the Centurion chassis compared to this.

Aesthetics aside. Any thoughts on prospective stats?

Being the blend between Terminators and Dreadnoughts, would they lean towards AV or T? Surely towards T?

Perhaps similar to a bike, with the added T and a terminator save. But only 1 wound?

Thank you, AgeofEgos. That will be my centerpiece.

I'd think T5, 2+, 5++ probably?

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 dienekes96 wrote:
I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.

Are you ready for allies Brother?






The tank at least looks interesting and has some decent sounding rules. I could see the 3rd party market doing a much better job at the Centurion chassis compared to this.

Needs more Centurion

 spaceelf wrote:
Power Xtreme!

Oh wait, wrong centurions.

I suppose GW got the idea from a terminator that was skillfully covered in multiple layers of thick paint by someone in their target audience.

I am exalting this post.

The Centurions would be so much cooler if they could have rocketships, airplanes, motorcycles, helicopters, or submarines attached to their armor.

From Naftka: information on grav guns:

Grav-weapons are powerful. They roll to Wound against target's armor save. And amps are giving them re-rolls. I don't know if they have AP value, but in the report 3 Centurions are wiping out power-armored squad a turn.

Don't know what "amps" are. Presumably wargear. Obviously this information is extremely vague, and WD is there to get you to buy stuff. But even so, interesting (FWIW I still think they sound too situational - you can get the same result with an allied LRBT or Demolisher)...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:
Power Xtreme!

Oh wait, wrong centurions.

I suppose GW got the idea from a terminator that was skillfully covered in multiple layers of thick paint by someone in their target audience.

I am exalting this post.

The Centurions would be so much cooler if they could have rocketships, airplanes, motorcycles, helicopters, or submarines attached to their armor.

You're thinking too small. They should have freeway off-ramps for arms, and a heart as black as coal...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with you is CLEARLY a juvenile person who couldn't ever have anything useful to say about anything. Are you for real?

lol, yup, he is on the money actually. these are aimed at 12 yearolds. i'm sorry if youre a full grown adult and you like these.

Im also not sold that the full marine is sitting in the torso since we can see their bare heads sticking out in the blue version. Judging by the size of the bare head to the rest im thinking these are 40mm bases. the proportions are indeed very strange.

As for the other marine kits, i have a feeling we should get ready for three times the bling of the most blinged out rapper. I hope you all like useless crap covering your models from head to toe.

I don't care what the stats are on them. Those are just terrible models. Fluff wise, appearance wise and concept. I will never buy, use or paint those. They quite literally make my stomach turn. How could anyone think this was a good idea.

kb305 wrote:

Im also not sold that the full marine is sitting in the torso since we can see their bare heads sticking out in the blue version. Judging by the size of the bare head to the rest im thinking these are 40mm bases. the proportions are indeed very strange.

Hmm yeah I did a quick comparison in Photoshop, just pasted the image next to other and tried to match the helmet size. It looks like a PA marine would have his feet around the knees of the centurion. Also, the PA chest fits between the frag launchers. The base seemed closer to 40mm than 60mm as well. Also notice how long the arms are.. they reach to the knees of the suit, almost. So yeah, I agree about the very strange size/proportions.

AHReese wrote:
Aesthetics aside. Any thoughts on prospective stats?

Being the blend between Terminators and Dreadnoughts, would they lean towards AV or T? Surely towards T?

Perhaps similar to a bike, with the added T and a terminator save. But only 1 wound?

Probably T--I think GW sort-of knows that low AV vehicles/walkers are rubbish, and so MCs are the way to go with anything they actually want to see used.

 battlematt wrote:
I don't care what the stats are on them. Those are just terrible models. Fluff wise, appearance wise and concept. I will never buy, use or paint those. They quite literally make my stomach turn. How could anyone think this was a good idea.

Seconded. Almost makes me wonder what else they have in store for the Marines with this dex.

There is no fluff been mentioned and people already hate it.

A friend of mine made this.

 dienekes96 wrote:
I'm buying this kit just go mount one of the front of a Dreadknight. AV25...fact.

And a Vindicare Assassin could STILL penetrate it!

 battlematt wrote:
How could anyone think this was a good idea.

1.) This is a yes-man company: "Is this model awesome?" "Yes." "But you haven't even looked ..."
2.) As Kirby has made clear: Everyone at GW including sculptors is hired for attitude, not for skills

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
I'd think T5, 2+, 5++ probably?

Well, not if he takes the 2-3 helmets off

 DeffDred wrote:
I'm thinking I should start a pole. Those who think they look cool and those who think they look stupid.

That way I can ignore everyone on the "look cool" list and save myself a lot of anger over future releases.

Probably should have people post their ages too. $20 says that all the people who like them are 15 years and under.

You should definitely start a pole. Let me tell you exactly where you can put said pole.

Frankly, not sure why:

A) people get so upset over a model they don't like, and
B) feel that their dislike for a model gives them the right to disparage anyone who disagrees with them.

There's pictures of the Vanguard box in the gallery.

Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammers and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.

That box looks awesome.
Now I can buy that box and a Death-Company box, since that latter will have enough icons for twenty marines

 Fezman wrote:
From Naftka: information on grav guns:
Grav-weapons are powerful. They roll to Wound against target's armor save. And amps are giving them re-rolls. I don't know if they have AP value, but in the report 3 Centurions are wiping out power-armored squad a turn.
Don't know what "amps" are. Presumably wargear. Obviously this information is extremely vague, and WD is there to get you to buy stuff. But even so, interesting (FWIW I still think they sound too situational - you can get the same result with an allied LRBT or Demolisher)...

Yeah, I hate that they are already talking about how overpowered it is when we don't even know the rules of it.

My prediction: Expect grav in the same places where you see Plasma now, with a Grav-pistol, a Grav-gun and a Grav-cannon.
These Centurions probably have the option to glue Cannons to their sides and the Marine-player was probably assaulting with naked tactical marines or rolling very badly.
Also don't forget that with a 'squad' of marines they could also mean units of 5.

Damnit, that sword is really screaming "make me an Emperor's Champion", but I already have 3. Aargh!

Frankie Joe wrote:
Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammera and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.

[Homer Drolling Noises]

 Fezman wrote:
From Naftka: information on grav guns:

Grav-weapons are powerful. They roll to Wound against target's armor save. And amps are giving them re-rolls. I don't know if they have AP value, but in the report 3 Centurions are wiping out power-armored squad a turn.

Don't know what "amps" are. Presumably wargear. Obviously this information is extremely vague, and WD is there to get you to buy stuff. But even so, interesting (FWIW I still think they sound too situational - you can get the same result with an allied LRBT or Demolisher)...

Dakka glossary says its an "anti magic pulse spell". So Centurions have Purification.

Oooo bits. Not really a fan of the jump packs considering it looks like they just glued a bunch of bits on em

Cooooommmon stern guards. im sure some one has pics of em already.

Thank God for the VV!

Frankie Joe wrote:
Hey, vanguards! A store near me accidentally put this box out for sale a month early, and they are glorious models. The box comes with four pairs of fancy-looking chainswords and bolt pistols along with all the hammers and claws and such, so it also functions as a better looking assault squad box. Slightly more expensive, granted, but I feel like it's definitely worth it.

Now that is more like it, hopefully the sternguard are of the same quality.