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 WarAngel wrote:
I hope this will fix problems in the Dark Angels codex such as no upgrades to basic master crafted weapons (just special ones) and more access to SM stuff such as the Thunderfire Cannon and other flyers.

It won't add anything to Dark Angels, as they already have their own Codex.


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 davou wrote:
If they roll BT into the SM dex, does that mean you can cherry pick allies from the allies matrix using whichever you want?

If you're using Codex: Space Marines, you would be bound by the allies available to Codex: Space Marines.

 insaniak wrote:

 WarAngel wrote:
I hope this will fix problems in the Dark Angels codex such as no upgrades to basic master crafted weapons (just special ones) and more access to SM stuff such as the Thunderfire Cannon and other flyers.

It won't add anything to Dark Angels, as they already have their own Codex.


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 davou wrote:
If they roll BT into the SM dex, does that mean you can cherry pick allies from the allies matrix using whichever you want?

If you're using Codex: Space Marines, you would be bound by the allies available to Codex: Space Marines.

Couldn't the Black Templar specific chapter tactics change that though. Similar to the Farsight Enclave rules.

Yes, of course. They could also have a completely revised Allies table in the codex for all we know.

I just saw those Centurions for the first time 5 minutes ago in another thread and I'm stunned, just stunned.

They look so stupid.

Just stunned...

My vote is not out yet on centurions... I'll have to wait and see the rules.

 Plokoone wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
No pics of the rumored reloading tac marine? I was really looking forward to seeing that, it looks really cool in my head.

Tiny pic courtesy of our friends on /tg/.

You, my beautiful Space Marine are one sexy toy soldier and I want to touch and love you...

Hum, sorry, but this release just keeps getting better and better with every new pic

Oh man why did they have to make the centurions and new tanks so f*****g hideous! Never seen uglier minis! I've always been a great marine fan and was really looking forward to this, but seems like I have to go with FW figs instead. No centurions or new GW tanks for me =( *shudder*

From Bolter & Chainsword

Scarbrand wrote:
Oh man why did they have to make the centurions and new tanks so f*****g hideous! Never seen uglier minis! I've always been a great marine fan and was really looking forward to this, but seems like I have to go with FW figs instead. No centurions or new GW tanks for me =( *shudder*

Different flavours for different folks.

I'm indifferent to the Cents but there seems to be a 70/30 split agreeing with you that they are terrible. However the vast majority (or at least the most vocal minority) seem to be saying the Tanks are awesomesauce, and for that I agree.

In any case, FW is there for your needs, buy up and proxy to your hearts content.

The pic of centurion from behind is interesting, I like how you can see the pilot and that there are a lot of structures. I still can't figure out where his arms are, and of course I'd prefer if a model would look good from front instead of back. I wonder if the whole front leg armour is a separate piece and how would it look if you just don't put it on?

Them are some sexy sternguard!
Mk VIII legs with hip flappies and a sweet Mk VIII torso.
And some fancy pants Mk IV legs too!

Oh, and proof positive of the rear of the Centurions, with little Admech logos and all, awesome!

BTW, at this point it seems pretty clear to me that it is GW intentionally leaking these photos. There is no way genuine random leaks would produce this result. We are seeing cropped pictures of individual models dropping one by one. With a genuine leak we would get blurry pics snapped hastily if the leaker didn't have unlimited access to a copy of WD, or just complete pictures of everything if they had.

Sweet pictures! That said, I think GW made a big mistake with the latest Captain model. I really don't see any reason for someone to buy it when the generic Commander box exists and can be combined with the new Sternguard box to make awesome personalized blinged-out models. For single-pose models to be worth it, they IMO have to offer something really unique and cool that you can't get elsewhere, and the generic Captain really doesn't do that.

 Crimson wrote:
From Bolter & Chainsword

Those Sternguard. I want lots. Like a million. That hand on the sword pommel fellow. I want him ground into a fine powder and inject into my veins.

 Crimson wrote:
BTW, at this point it seems pretty clear to me that it is GW intentionally leaking these photos. There is no way genuine random leaks would produce this result. We are seeing cropped pictures of individual models dropping one by one. With a genuine leak we would get blurry pics snapped hastily if the leaker didn't have unlimited access to a copy of WD, or just complete pictures of everything if they had.

But why wouldn't they do it on their own site? Hell, I remember Forge World did some image "teasing" some time ago, when they were releasing "puzzle-parts" to build hype for one of their new models.

Not to mention that today (!) is Games Day Germany, with thousands of GW-customers and a few hundred GW-staffers (incl. guys from Nottingham) going about pretending to know nothing about the new Space Marines.

 Crimson wrote:
BTW, at this point it seems pretty clear to me that it is GW intentionally leaking these photos. There is no way genuine random leaks would produce this result. We are seeing cropped pictures of individual models dropping one by one. With a genuine leak we would get blurry pics snapped hastily if the leaker didn't have unlimited access to a copy of WD, or just complete pictures of everything if they had.

I've been saying this all the time

And also, don't this links spoil the point of GW news and rumour block? We've seen most of this release and there's still 2/3 of the month left.

JeneralJoe117 wrote:
And also, don't this links spoil the point of GW news and rumour block? We've seen most of this release and there's still 2/3 of the month left.

Remember these are Spess Mehreens, GW always gives them preferential treatment.

Gaaak, can anyone upload to the gallery and post the new pics? Help a work-blocked brother!

Pretty please with sugar lips on top?

 Zweischneid wrote:

But why wouldn't they do it on their own site? Hell, I remember Forge World did some image "teasing" some time ago, when they were releasing "puzzle-parts" to build hype for one of their new models.

Because this way we spent our days reading all these rumour threads in hope of new picture an getting hyped.


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So apparently pilot's arms are not visible. I'm not sure I'm satisfied with that explanation.

 Kingsley wrote:
I really don't see any reason for someone to buy it when the generic Commander box exists...

You're assuming that the generic commander box will still exist after the new codex drops...

If all of his options can be found in the Sternguard box, I can easily see them just dropping that kit. Players will either buy the new plastic Captain, or build their own out of the Sternguard box.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
I really don't see any reason for someone to buy it when the generic Commander box exists...

You're assuming that the generic commander box will still exist after the new codex drops...

If all of his options can be found in the Sternguard box, I can easily see them just dropping that kit. Players will either buy the new plastic Captain, or build their own out of the Sternguard box.

Maybe if the new Command Squad rumor is true, the captain will be included there...

Right gents, i'm not really up to date on either faction, but is it just me or is that Sternguard weapon really Necron?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
BTW, at this point it seems pretty clear to me that it is GW intentionally leaking these photos. There is no way genuine random leaks would produce this result. We are seeing cropped pictures of individual models dropping one by one. With a genuine leak we would get blurry pics snapped hastily if the leaker didn't have unlimited access to a copy of WD, or just complete pictures of everything if they had.

But why wouldn't they do it on their own site? Hell, I remember Forge World did some image "teasing" some time ago, when they were releasing "puzzle-parts" to build hype for one of their new models.

Not to mention that today (!) is Games Day Germany, with thousands of GW-customers and a few hundred GW-staffers (incl. guys from Nottingham) going about pretending to know nothing about the new Space Marines.

Exactly. I am going to follow the incoming reports and pics of it closely.
This time they sent Johnson and Kelly plus Vetock to us and I can't imagine anything the first two could talk about without anyone asking of upcoming "known" releases. Vetock may have the lizardmen as "his" subject.
We'll see in the evening....

The point Crimson has, those pics are free of text. All of them good and close shots. No way to identify the WD, especially the region it is from ( language ). The unboxed plastic Vanguard and the box art however could be unintended leaks.

We currently know September is the month of GD UK, we know the Black Legion supplement is a September release.

None of the pics had a WD cover or text, so any guess on September = release isn't confirmed yet, IMO.

 Crimson wrote:
From Bolter & Chainsword

Those Sterngaurd are absolutely gorgeous.

Its good to see that they give some indication to where the space marine that is piloting the suit is situated, makes the stubby looking legs and weird proportions a bit easier to bear

STERNGUARD=EPIC WIN. Those models are beautiful.
CENTURIONS=EPIC FAIL. The concept is good but the models are horrendous.
Tactical squad is ok but I would have liked them to have been a bit more dynamic, running legs etc. Nothing that cannot be sorted by mix and match with other units. Perhapse some of the legs and detail from the vanguard box set which is BEAUTIFUL. The new characters are also nice and the tank is ........... just another Rhino variant which is also in keeping.

I think I might have to start a new space marine army

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

JeneralJoe117 wrote:
And also, don't this links spoil the point of GW news and rumour block? We've seen most of this release and there's still 2/3 of the month left.

Remember these are Spess Mehreens, GW always gives them preferential treatment.

As seen by the fact they're getting three new plastic troop boxes, one MCish box, one vehicle box, and three HQ sprues compared to the Xeno releases' 1 troop, one MC, one flyer, one HQ.


Really wanted new crisis suits dangit...

Welp. Templars are being rolled into the C:SM and I am angry and sad.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

JeneralJoe117 wrote:
And also, don't this links spoil the point of GW news and rumour block? We've seen most of this release and there's still 2/3 of the month left.

Remember these are Spess Mehreens, GW always gives them preferential treatment.

As seen by the fact they're getting three new plastic troop boxes, one MCish box, one vehicle box, and three HQ sprues compared to the Xeno releases' 1 troop, one MC, one flyer, one HQ.


Really wanted new crisis suits dangit...

And thats not even considering the new finecast models that came out with Apoc...

Ninjakinshu wrote:
Welp. Templars are being rolled into the C:SM and I am angry and sad.

You can always refuse to use half the units in the new book and leave about 10% of your points unspent to simulate the old style BT experience.