What disturbs you the most in 40k background?

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**PredaKhaine**

Tyran wrote:
Ascalam wrote:
It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ?

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.

Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

I have read that story from both codex.
What was Tzeentch plan doesn't matter, the GK didn't knew about it, they only knew that a dangerous daemon had caused the death of millions single handedly and they couldn't let it escape with the refuges. From the GK point of view, destroying the transports was the only sensible choice.

Its possible to banish them for a set amount of time - In the Grey Knights omnibus, a greater demon (Ghargatuloth) is banished for 1000yrs and cannot return before then.

Spoiler:

If they can just do that to the changeling, they could save themselves a considerable amount of grief.

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rohansoldier wrote:
dreamakuma wrote:
Talos and those night lords. Because they showed honor, humanity, fear, and then did horrendous things without even a shred of that honor. The fact that they were so easy to relate with until those points and even afterwards, made them feel more at a loss for control than a berserker.

I look forward to reading the Night Lords trilogy. Sounds like good stuff!

For me some of the most horrific fluff is what the emperors children get up to. They have no excuse like doing it for survival like dark eldar, they do it just for fun.

But yeah, Honsou and the Daemonculaba are pretty beastly as well. I was surprised to find he was an Apothecary originally but it kinda makes sense now I guess.

The Night Lords trilogy are my favourite 40k books. They are probably why I have a night lords 40k force and I'm branching out into 30k...

Do it!

**Cold**

The Night Lords trilogy are my favourite 40k books. They are probably why I have a night lords 40k force and I'm branching out into 30k...

Why are they so expensive?! looked the other day, the last two are like $50 each

**PredaKhaine**

Would this help?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

**sing your life**

PredaKhaine wrote:
Would this help?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

When is it out? I want that book.

**Wilytank**

The way the Skull Cannon gets its ammunition is really creepy.

Victim is eaten by a Skull Cannon. Body parts get eviscerated and shot out its rear, but it keeps the head still alive (I think). The head is fused by the Blood God's wrath until there's black tears coming out of its sockets. Then it's set ablaze, loaded in the cannon, and shot.

**necrondog99**

I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

**dementedwombat**

This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

**Tyran**

dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

I find more depressing all those little bits of fluff that point to the fact that the Tau are quite evil, and even then they still are the "good guys" in comparison with the rest.

**2x210**

dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

If 6th edition rules are to be taken as fluff it'd take the full might of the Imperium, a 14th Black Crusade, the Unification of WAAAAGHHHHs, a Hive Fleet, 2 Lost Craftworlds, and a handful of Necrons just to take a single planet.

Unless the Tau got to shoot first.

**Cold**

PredaKhaine wrote:
Would this help?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bookseries/B00CKLVGU0/ref=sr_1_2_acs_b_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381268506&sr=8-2-acs

Thats all I got in the US... When does the book you linked come out? Can't find any information on it at all..

EDIT: NVM Found it on the US one finally. Signed up for an alert when it is released

Thanks!

On topic: The old necron pariahs always kinda freaked me out, humans who were taken apart and built into machines because of their soul less gene. Not sure this is cannon anymore though.

**Selym**

necrondog99 wrote:
I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

Only in that the little things that make parts of real life worse than 40k are too small to make an interesting story.
You just have to imagine that the IOM is like a far more overcrowded and polluted version of modern-day earth.

**Tyran**

Selym wrote:
necrondog99 wrote:
I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

Only in that the little things that make parts of real life worse than 40k are too small to make an interesting story.
You just have to imagine that the IOM is like a far more overcrowded and polluted version of modern-day earth.

Depends, some planets are supposed to be real paradises, with planetary economies completely dedicated to tourism. And don't forget the agri-worlds, feral worlds, medieval worlds, etc.

**dementedwombat**

Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

**Kojiro**

I think the objectification of humans is one of the worst aspects. The creation of servitors, slaves and modification of humans to make them living tools is horrific. Mostly because it's done by humans to humans and it's utterly ubiquitous, so much so the wrongness of it wouldn't even occur to most Imperial citizens.

It's one thing to see someone as an object, another (and wholly worse) entirely to remake them literally into one.

**Knockagh**

The total lack of any value attached to a human existence.

**Tyran**

dementedwombat wrote:
Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

I imagine them with small, but well developed, settlements. Not very populated, after all, the planet needs to keep its natural beauty for tourists.
Still, probably only rich people can afford it.

**WarAngel**

Being frozen in time.

I don't see how a roll over in M42 will hurt anything.

**Selym**

WarAngel wrote:
Being frozen in time.

I don't see how a roll over in M42 will hurt anything.

GW thinks they've created the ultimate story climax - the IOM is pretty much burning, chaos is rising, tyranids are nomming, and we don't know what's going to happen next.
But they forget, ofc, that after a while nobody gives a toss.

**Vraksian Defender**

grey knights shooting down an entire civilian fleet

The insanity of the whole thing, no matter if its Khorn Bezerkers or the Inqusition theirs really no middle ground or rational group.

**Farseer Faenyin**

What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines. There are FAR too many occassions where there is literally no way in hell that the combat shoudl have ended in a Marine victory but did with the only rationale being "because they were Marines...har har har...in da name of the Emprah!"

So stupid...

**sing your life**

The idea of Orks worshipping Slaanesh seriously disturbs me.

**Verses**

Dunno if it's been mentioned, but Night Haunter's room built out of screaming living bodies kept alive by Chaos, or however it worked, is pretty creepy.

**Selym**

Farseer Faenyin wrote:
What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines. There are FAR too many occassions where there is literally no way in hell that the combat shoudl have ended in a Marine victory but did with the only rationale being "because they were Marines...har har har...in da name of the Emprah!"

So stupid...

One day I shall write a battle scene that depicts the space marines as less walking rape machines, and more highly-elite warriors.

**Squidmanlolz**

Farseer Faenyin wrote:
What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines.

Yeah! leave that kind of schtick for Sly Marbo!

**Ugin, the Owl King**

Three things I find particularly disturbing:

1) Imagine being trapped on a planet as Tyranids began to take it over. The entire world would quickly fill up with hostile monsters, something like Stephen King's The Mist. Similarly...

2) Being on a world that was destroyed from the inside (sometimes literally) by a Chaos cult.

3) Something about the masterfully written Battle of the Whisperheads has stayed with me forever. "Samus. That's the only name you'll hear. Samus. It means the end and the death. Samus. I am Samus. Samus is all around you. Samus is the man beside you. Samus will gnaw on your bones. Look out! Samus is here."

**Bobthehero**

Samus is ''just'' a bounty hunter

**Psienesis**

dementedwombat wrote:
Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

The Inquisition, high-ranking Ecclesiarchs, high-ranking members of the Administratum and Rogue Traders. These are the people with the wealth to visit a Paradise World.

**Sandcat**

Tyranids, if you ambush one, all will know. If you hide in caves, they will send tyranids that can burrow. If you kill them all, it might just be a splinter of something bigger.

**taffy2499**

most disturbing thing? got to be servo skulls or servitors.. half human half achine with no eyes, a vox link sown into their mouth and ears sheared off... I think I would proberbly put a bolt round into each one I saw..

**EmperorsChosen**

Dispite all of the chaos and DE fluff, the IoM always disturbs me most, the whole set up of it is wrong.