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There's no reason for a prototype to have a full color cover, or even be bound with a cover at all.
It's bogus.
You know car companies make fully functional one of a kind prototype cars that cost tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars, right?
I think GW can shell out a few hundred for an example cover or to compare several different rulebook cover designs. I mean, we are talking about a multi-million dollar company that is looking to revive a product line that has been stale and has done nothing but wither since the last time they touched it. They should be doing everything they can to make it a success.
Also, you know nothing about marketing or product development so don't act like you do.
I actually do have marketing and product development experience and he's right. As a cost cutting measure they would have made the thing have a soft cover and probably not be professionally bound at all...something that could be easily recreated and then passed around at meetings to discuss. Making it bound of hard cover would cause an excess of busy work to make something look finished tht wasn't supposed to be a finished product, and an internal product at that.
The book is fake, but common sense wins out here...you're being rude for no real reason.
I hate trolls. It's bad enough the way it is with GW putting a clamp on any reliable information about forthcoming codices. When people start thinking it's 'funny' to spread lies around that is even worse. Blah!
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
So the 4chan rumors are bunk is what you are saying. Gotcha.
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pretre wrote: So the 4chan rumors are bunk is what you are saying. Gotcha.
Not all of them, just the Tyranid Prime and Crawling Death 4chan rumors. He didn't take credit for anything else that came off 4chan.
EDIT: I love that he doesn't see the irony in that spreading fake rumors is what helped cause so many rumor mongers to just quit in the first place. Poor noise/signal ratio has caused a lot of issues.
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>Crawling Plague (named Venomthrope), Finecast PENDING >- Like the other named tyranids is taken as a brood upgrade. PENDING >- Three rows of vents on its back, tail is much longer and coils itself around a piece of scenery. Mouth tendrils are shorter and spread open around its mouth like it's trying to spit out something, with liquid dripping out of it. PENDING >- Torrent weapon, AP- Poison 4+. Gimmick is on a 3+ place a marker anywhere on where you placed the template. Following turn place the small end of the flamer template on the marker and aim it in any direction, roll again on 4+ every subsequent turn to see if it stays on the field. PENDING >- Grants stealth to all models within 6" and shrouding to itself. Venomthropes create 5+ cover, so they synergize. PENDING >- It Lurks in the Mists: Special deployment gimmick instead of deploying on the board, at the start of any movement phase except the first you can deploy the Crawling Plague within 6" of any venomthrope. PENDING >- Mutation from the new Hive Fleet Karkinos, which is specialized in toxic weaponry and the usage of venomthropes. PENDING
>Tyranid Prime, plastic clamshell PENDING >- Larger Warrior, head crest has four prongs, additional shoulder plates that interlock down over part of the chest, armor in general is sharper and extends farther out with a slight upward curve. Looks like you could impale a guardsman on its back. PENDING >- On foot, devourer and scything talons, dead easy to switch out components with Warriors and Raveners. PENDING >- Details of the fluff are quite a bit different. The Prime is designed as a perfect hunter, created to fit any battlefield and seek out and eliminate enemy commanders while supported by evolved broods in this regard. PENDING >- Apex Brood: The Prime can take a single retinue of "Apex" Warriors, Raveners or Shrikes. They receive T/WS/BS +1 and the Prime auto passes LOS! rolls while attached to the Apex Brood. Somewhat more expensive than their normal counterparts (+5 to +10 pt each depending on the creature) PENDING >- No more +1WS/BS when attached to regular warriors, that's replaced by the retinue. PENDING >- Hunter-Killer: Enemy characters cannot refuse challenges from the Prime. PENDING
That's kinda why I don't like rumor compilations because it mixes all the rumors together and lends the bad ones legitimacy. edit: I gave him his own listing and marked them all false.
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According to a GW store manager, Nids aren't coming until early next year. First quarter.
The reliability of this information is somewhat questionable, he might be trying to encourage sales of existing kits, but seems quite likely to be honest.
ascended_mike wrote: According to a GW store manager, Nids aren't coming until early next year. First quarter.
The reliability of this information is somewhat questionable, he might be trying to encourage sales of existing kits, but seems quite likely to be honest.
Store managers are known to be useless as sources though. :(
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>Crawling Plague (named Venomthrope), Finecast PENDING >- Like the other named tyranids is taken as a brood upgrade. PENDING >- Three rows of vents on its back, tail is much longer and coils itself around a piece of scenery. Mouth tendrils are shorter and spread open around its mouth like it's trying to spit out something, with liquid dripping out of it. PENDING >- Torrent weapon, AP- Poison 4+. Gimmick is on a 3+ place a marker anywhere on where you placed the template. Following turn place the small end of the flamer template on the marker and aim it in any direction, roll again on 4+ every subsequent turn to see if it stays on the field. PENDING >- Grants stealth to all models within 6" and shrouding to itself. Venomthropes create 5+ cover, so they synergize. PENDING >- It Lurks in the Mists: Special deployment gimmick instead of deploying on the board, at the start of any movement phase except the first you can deploy the Crawling Plague within 6" of any venomthrope. PENDING >- Mutation from the new Hive Fleet Karkinos, which is specialized in toxic weaponry and the usage of venomthropes. PENDING
>Tyranid Prime, plastic clamshell PENDING >- Larger Warrior, head crest has four prongs, additional shoulder plates that interlock down over part of the chest, armor in general is sharper and extends farther out with a slight upward curve. Looks like you could impale a guardsman on its back. PENDING >- On foot, devourer and scything talons, dead easy to switch out components with Warriors and Raveners. PENDING >- Details of the fluff are quite a bit different. The Prime is designed as a perfect hunter, created to fit any battlefield and seek out and eliminate enemy commanders while supported by evolved broods in this regard. PENDING >- Apex Brood: The Prime can take a single retinue of "Apex" Warriors, Raveners or Shrikes. They receive T/WS/BS +1 and the Prime auto passes LOS! rolls while attached to the Apex Brood. Somewhat more expensive than their normal counterparts (+5 to +10 pt each depending on the creature) PENDING >- No more +1WS/BS when attached to regular warriors, that's replaced by the retinue. PENDING >- Hunter-Killer: Enemy characters cannot refuse challenges from the Prime. PENDING
That's kinda why I don't like rumor compilations because it mixes all the rumors together and lends the bad ones legitimacy. edit: I gave him his own listing and marked them all false.
Understandable, I like doing them though because it makes things easier to sort through and get a clear picture of things. Sometimes bad rumors slp in, but that happens through simple miscommunication sometimes so I don't stress it too much.
Of course rumors would be easier if I had a legitimate source, but in the mean time I'll keep at it the old fashioned way: research and Google seraches.
ascended_mike wrote: According to a GW store manager, Nids aren't coming until early next year. First quarter.
The reliability of this information is somewhat questionable, he might be trying to encourage sales of existing kits, but seems quite likely to be honest.
Store managers are known to be useless as sources though. :(
That's why I said it's questionable, but it's something to bare in mind.
tetrisphreak wrote:I hate trolls. It's bad enough the way it is with GW putting a clamp on any reliable information about forthcoming codices. When people start thinking it's 'funny' to spread lies around that is even worse. Blah!
And yet GW is generating a crap-ton of buzz for those bad with money who plan to somehow stockpile for a pending release. They are creating more buzz for armies this way than they ever did by actually telling us what was coming and when. When people knew exactly what was coming, the buzz would die 2-3 months before release. Now the speculation gets people hot for months, and we don't get to know anything concrete until 3-4 weeks out; thus the impulse/release sales have been massive for them.
It's worked better in both the short and long term, and their volume sales numbers have reflected it since the rumor clamp got tighter.
While i can't disagree with your point because it's valid, i still hate the lack of information, and i feel like the buzz generated is solely from frustrated gamers like myself who feel like they need to know what is happening next in the hobby.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
While i can't disagree with your point because it's valid, i still hate the lack of information, and i feel like the buzz generated is solely from frustrated gamers like myself who feel like they need to know what is happening next in the hobby.
I agree with tetrisphreak on this one, but it's more frustrating for me for things like the Mystery Box, which is even more in question now with the new Dark Elves rumors. If it's a limited release and there's no telling how much it is, I just have to not buy anything at all, since a surprise limited release that is from GW could cost ~$100. I don't have that kind of money just laying around. New releases that are expensive, but will be there later that I can save up for, then purchase are fine.
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Ravenous D wrote: Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Right on the money, Bub. A majority of sales are at the height of the hub-bub and excitement. If people see an item, that can't be bought right away, they will lose interest, make a conversion, lose that new army fever, etc... Smart marketing tightening up the window... Apple does similar too.....
While i can't disagree with your point because it's valid, i still hate the lack of information, and i feel like the buzz generated is solely from frustrated gamers like myself who feel like they need to know what is happening next in the hobby.
I agree with tetrisphreak on this one, but it's more frustrating for me for things like the Mystery Box, which is even more in question now with the new Dark Elves rumors. If it's a limited release and there's no telling how much it is, I just have to not buy anything at all, since a surprise limited release that is from GW could cost ~$100. I don't have that kind of money just laying around. New releases that are expensive, but will be there later that I can save up for, then purchase are fine.
So you save up anyway, and if something comes along you want to buy, you can. If you end up needing the money for other priorities, you can spend it there.
You should always have a little pool of money at the side for your hobby... I put £15 aside each week for my toys. I get paid each week, but still live with my parents so I guess that makes a bit of a difference...
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Draigo is a Mat Ward creation. They don't follow the same rules as everyone else.
Bloodhorror wrote: You should always have a little pool of money at the side for your hobby... I put £15 aside each week for my toys. I get paid each week, but still live with my parents so I guess that makes a bit of a difference...
Rent, Council Tax, Phone, Internet, Water, Electric, Gas.
I bet you really don't pay these with your parents. If I was in the same situation I would easily be a good £500 better off a month.
Ravenous D wrote: Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Right on the money, Bub. A majority of sales are at the height of the hub-bub and excitement. If people see an item, that can't be bought right away, they will lose interest, make a conversion, lose that new army fever, etc... Smart marketing tightening up the window... Apple does similar too.....
They didn't decrease smart buying if people are budgeting accordingly anyway. Maybe there are less "smart" buyers, but really it's about less people being smart with their money in general. GW can't do anything about that, and their current strategy is working. People are getting lots and lots of new stuff quickly, and they are making more money.
BACK ON TOPIC: I really enjoyed this bit on BoLS (true or false):
Monstrous Creature Broods may deploy in multiple Mycetic Spores. ~YIKES!!!
HQ Trygon option.
Parasite is now a Shrike upgrade character, and moves out of the HQ section.
Tyranid Prime can now be purchased in Warrior, Shrike or Ravener forms.
Many classic biomorphs have returned as upgrade options for most units.
Many units can now run twice or run-assault.
These different upgrade units and HQ's mean that Tyranids will have lots of different styles of play. If true, that's EXACTLY what they needed! We've effectively been mono-build for 2.5 editions.
I've fixed the roll-up. It DOES NOT include the BoLS information from today due to the Hive Fleet name being shared with the fake rumor as well as Tyranid Prime rumors fit too comfortably in the fake Prime rumors.
Ravenous D wrote: Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Right on the money, Bub. A majority of sales are at the height of the hub-bub and excitement. If people see an item, that can't be bought right away, they will lose interest, make a conversion, lose that new army fever, etc... Smart marketing tightening up the window... Apple does similar too.....
While I agree with the logic of this claim, the recent hub-bub (to borrow your phrase) over the Tyranid release has made me think of something else -- I bet there are more people spending money on Tyranids today than there were two weeks ago!
Someone who was drawn towards the army but dead-set against playing with their current, badly-decried book might go out and grab some stuff now that they believe a replacement book is on the way. I doubt anyone is going to go out and pay for a fine-tuned list that will be completely invalidated by a book redo, but I bet there are people grabbing select units in preparation.
The big problem of the current book is that it suffered from 5th editions 'New units are awesome, existing units suck' syndrome. That and shortly afterwards they produced the following.
Army armed entirely with Instant Death weaponry and capable of striking at a higher initiative than anything but 3 units in your entire codex. Oh, also hitting on 3s for the most part.
Army armed with ranged poison weaponry negating any value you may get from high toughness. Oh, also this weaponry is multiple shot so shreds hordes too.
That combined with the lack of assault grenades in a cover-heavy edition pretty much just crippled them. 6th came along and sure, the Tyranid psyker bomb army is stronger than it was before but their weaknesses are still there and now people are getting flyers themselves which Tyranids really suffer against. Our MCs aren't really cheap or particularly strong for the purpose of vector strikes but also tend to be the only way we have of dealing with flyers.
Bloodhorror wrote: You should always have a little pool of money at the side for your hobby... I put £15 aside each week for my toys. I get paid each week, but still live with my parents so I guess that makes a bit of a difference...
Rent, Council Tax, Phone, Internet, Water, Electric, Gas.
I bet you really don't pay these with your parents. If I was in the same situation I would easily be a good £500 better off a month.
Add kids into the mix and it's even more.
I feel your pain on the bills side.
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DarkStarSabre wrote: The big problem of the current book is that it suffered from 5th editions 'New units are awesome, existing units suck' syndrome. That and shortly afterwards they produced the following.
Army armed entirely with Instant Death weaponry and capable of striking at a higher initiative than anything but 3 units in your entire codex. Oh, also hitting on 3s for the most part.
Army armed with ranged poison weaponry negating any value you may get from high toughness. Oh, also this weaponry is multiple shot so shreds hordes too.
That combined with the lack of assault grenades in a cover-heavy edition pretty much just crippled them. 6th came along and sure, the Tyranid psyker bomb army is stronger than it was before but their weaknesses are still there and now people are getting flyers themselves which Tyranids really suffer against. Our MCs aren't really cheap or particularly strong for the purpose of vector strikes but also tend to be the only way we have of dealing with flyers.
Here's to a new codex. Soon.
This is a good synopsis of some challenges, there are a few more ...but I won't bother to muddy this thread.
Hopefully nids will be the next codex to drop - gw so far has maintained this incredible pace of new books - so the good news is that even if we are not the new book, we will get an update soon (in previous editions...soon could be years...ask any tau, eldar or necron player) but now soon means ...well...sooner.
Regarding the rumors of a "big bug" and some people being concerned that it would be "too big" to fit on a large oval base, my friends and i recently stuck a hierodule (the smaller of the fw big bugs) on an oval base, and to be honest, it did not look out of place or too big (yes, I know, that is subjective). I think it won't be too far out of the question that they have a bit of room to "grow" so to speak regarding big bug options.
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Regarding the rumors of a "big bug" and some people being concerned that it would be "too big" to fit on a large oval base, my friends and i recently stuck a hierodule (the smaller of the fw big bugs) on an oval base, and to be honest, it did not look out of place or too big (yes, I know, that is subjective). I think it won't be too far out of the question that they have a bit of room to "grow" so to speak regarding big bug options.
Before the Tyrannofex kit was created, I used my Hierodules (barbed as rupture cannon, scythed as acid spray) as tyrranofexes by doing exactly that. Their feet fit on the span of the oval base and their bodies/tails hang over the edge, but not so much as to appear awkward.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
Ravenous D wrote: Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Right on the money, Bub. A majority of sales are at the height of the hub-bub and excitement. If people see an item, that can't be bought right away, they will lose interest, make a conversion, lose that new army fever, etc... Smart marketing tightening up the window... Apple does similar too.....
While I agree with the logic of this claim, the recent hub-bub (to borrow your phrase) over the Tyranid release has made me think of something else -- I bet there are more people spending money on Tyranids today than there were two weeks ago!
Someone who was drawn towards the army but dead-set against playing with their current, badly-decried book might go out and grab some stuff now that they believe a replacement book is on the way. I doubt anyone is going to go out and pay for a fine-tuned list that will be completely invalidated by a book redo, but I bet there are people grabbing select units in preparation.
I feel like this is partially true, or headed in the right direction. I still don't think its intentional on GWs part, but it probably has the effect as described.
For example, I just recently bought a huge Tyranid army. However, it had nothing to do with the rumors...I had been thinking of doing it for a long time (8 months or so), and just happened on a really good deal on Ebay. It didn't hurt that the rumors started popping up about a month after I bought the army though.
Conversely, I refuse to buy any more product until I know whats in the new codex. Even if they bump the codex to August 2014. The aggravating part is not being able to fully assemble many of the models due to not knowing what the new options will be.
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Ravenous D wrote: Really what GW did was decrease smart buying by lowering the lead time and information known.
All those people could have saved money on the wraithknight...
Right on the money, Bub. A majority of sales are at the height of the hub-bub and excitement. If people see an item, that can't be bought right away, they will lose interest, make a conversion, lose that new army fever, etc... Smart marketing tightening up the window... Apple does similar too.....
While I agree with the logic of this claim, the recent hub-bub (to borrow your phrase) over the Tyranid release has made me think of something else -- I bet there are more people spending money on Tyranids today than there were two weeks ago!
Someone who was drawn towards the army but dead-set against playing with their current, badly-decried book might go out and grab some stuff now that they believe a replacement book is on the way. I doubt anyone is going to go out and pay for a fine-tuned list that will be completely invalidated by a book redo, but I bet there are people grabbing select units in preparation.
I feel like this is partially true, or headed in the right direction. I still don't think its intentional on GWs part, but it probably has the effect as described.
For example, I just recently bought a huge Tyranid army. However, it had nothing to do with the rumors...I had been thinking of doing it for a long time (8 months or so), and just happened on a really good deal on Ebay. It didn't hurt that the rumors started popping up about a month after I bought the army though.
Conversely, I refuse to buy any more product until I know whats in the new codex. Even if they bump the codex to August 2014. The aggravating part is not being able to fully assemble many of the models due to not knowing what the new options will be.
There isn't much to look forward to learning if you know absolutely everything every unit can take. Even with the book in hand you won't know how to arm them. It's only after extensive play-testing against a variety of different army styles that you really nail that down anyway. Unless, of course, you are among the majority of people who just trust the lists they find on the internet without figuring something out for themselves.
BACK ON TOPIC: I was glad a few of the 4chan rumors were officially debunked. Chipping away at the crap to get closer to the meat is always a good thing.
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