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Caederes wrote:
Hastings did say Tyranids would be the next 40k release after Space Marines, if Inquisitor is released in the same month as Dark Elves it will probably confirm a month early that we are getting Tyranids in November.

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Actually I'm pretty sure Hastings has both Guard and Orks before Nids in his schedule- which has held up pretty well. He also said that he expected the codex/army book per month to happen in all but 2 months this year- we've already missed a month with apocalypse and I'd expect nothing for christmas so maybe an army release alongside the special box? [probably Dark elves].
I did hear that Nids have had some stuff sculpted for a while but not released [Harpy]- they are coming but still a bit away.
It will be interesting to see how big the release is as the Nid range currently has a number of missing kits [shrikes, mycetic spores etc] and I'd bet they will add a unit or two [probably another huge MC- can't wait!].

It's pretty easy to pick up several patterns from previous releases:

Finecast releases are clearly being gradually replaced by plastic. There was an obvious focus on replacing squad kits like SM vets, Wraithguard and Pathfinders with plastic kits that also cover more options. This is probably why we got new Wraithguard over new jetbikes in the new Eldar release. We've also seen the number of new Finecast character kits gradually dropping as we move away from models originally designed in 2011/12. GW are trying to reduce the number of complex Finecast kits held in stock and ensuring those that are use very little space.

There's also a heavy push into dual-purpose kits that cover at least two options from the codex while taking up the same amount of shelf space.

Despite any existing saturation in a model range for an army, GW always cram in a new headline kit for a release. This gives us things like the unnecessary Centurions, the Apoc-sized Wraithknight and the Riptide. This is the flagship product (on the WD cover) for the release and the thing most likely to get casual buyers excited.

Any races without a flyer model recieved one, and if there was an AA gap that was also filled by a new release.

All main options for a codex are now being covered by the model range (with the obvious exception of Eldar jetbike variants like Farseers/Warlocks, which I reckon have been held back on purpose for a future release).

With this in mind, you can make some broad predictions about a Tyranid release and probably be fairly accurate. They don't really have any boxed Finecast squads to replace, but there are several major missing options from the armylist and a bunch of

There will undoubtably be a dual-kit flyer release containing the Harpy and probably an alternate unit.

A Mycetic Spore kit is likely, and if GW can work in an interesting dual-purpose for it (such as some new MC) then that would might be the headline kit. Personally I think they're going to be use the alternate build as an opportunity to give Nids something akin to fortifcations, along the lines of the old Brood Nest or Capillary Tower.

If GW think neither of those qualify as a headline kit, I think we'll see a new heavy infantry unit instead in the same vein as Centurions/Wraithguard/Broadsides, rather than yet another MC kit so soon after the Trygon/Tervigon/T-fex/Flyrant/Swarmlord releases. Tyranid don't have any large plastic infantry bigger than Warriors, so that's a plausible angle.
It's hard to say what role they will fulfill, as GW releases seem to work from a process of: Think of a cool new unit -> come up with a purpose for it in the rulebook

One of the following:

Re-done Warriors box with options for Shrikes, Prime, and all weapon options (discontinuing the £12 upgrade kit). GW won't care about invalidating the Forgeworld Shrike wings, they already did that fairly recently with the Flyrant.

OR

Re-done Genestealers box with options for a Ymgarl build and Broodlord. Probably reduced to 6 models per box.

Character releases are a little harder to predict. Anything other than a plastic Tyranid Prime may not justify the sales needed to cut a mold. It really depends on what GW's long-term plans for Finecast actually are, as to completely phase it out they will have to start releasing unique characters in plastic.


Personally, I really really hope the Dominatrix concept is kept back for an Imperial Armour book and a much-needed reboot of the Tyranid Forge World line. Trying to cram this into the regular codex would be undersized and/or underpowered compared to a proper GC. And obviously not as cool.

Keep in mind that with the last Tyranid Codex, the oval base was introduced for the trygon, stretching the limits for bases in 40k.
Also keep in mind that the Wraithknight is not far from Titan sized and allowed for regular games.
Not unthinkable that GW might introduce a super-oval base now, with a monstrous creature dwarfing the Tyrannofex (at least in volume).

I am cringing at the thought of what new names GW might come up with. Transportofex being one of the better options

 silverstu wrote:

Caederes wrote:
Hastings did say Tyranids would be the next 40k release after Space Marines, if Inquisitor is released in the same month as Dark Elves it will probably confirm a month early that we are getting Tyranids in November.

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Actually I'm pretty sure Hastings has both Guard and Orks before Nids in his schedule- which has held up pretty well. He also said that he expected the codex/army book per month to happen in all but 2 months this year- we've already missed a month with apocalypse and I'd expect nothing for christmas so maybe an army release alongside the special box? [probably Dark elves].
I did hear that Nids have had some stuff sculpted for a while but not released [Harpy]- they are coming but still a bit away.
It will be interesting to see how big the release is as the Nid range currently has a number of missing kits [shrikes, mycetic spores etc] and I'd bet they will add a unit or two [probably another huge MC- can't wait!].

via Warseer
"MiyamatoMusashi
I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

75hastings69
Move the orks"

V1ND4LOO wrote:
No problem with nids getting a big gribbly. If anyone should have one it's them.

They have 4. Not the biggest, but up with them. Only the Wraithknight is bigger, but not in bulk.

Caederes wrote:


via Warseer
"MiyamatoMusashi
I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

75hastings69
Move the orks"

But move them where Hastings? I must know!

 -Loki- wrote:

rothrich wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 spacewolf407 wrote:
And finally GW decides to produce the mycetic spore.

Or they don't, since this rumor smells an awful lot like bologna. I'm sure they will when there's an actual Tyranid codex, but these rumors don't seem so savory.

Why do you think this is bologna? Purely speculating what 40k codex do you think we will see if not nids?

His argument is there is no room for another 40k codex this year, and he's correct. September is Space Marines, October is this super secret big box game that's either Blood Bowl or 28mm Inquisitor, and November is then a Fantasy month. Historically GW don't release anything in December other than Lord of the Rings/Hobbit games to coincide with the movie releases.

So Tyranids being out next for 40k and also this year means either there's no big box game so the Fanasy release moves to October, and Tyranids in November (possible... GW haven't released enough for a cycle to set a precedent), no Fantasy month (unlikely, GW alternate 40k/Fantasy book releases) or Tyranids in December (unlikely, GW don't release new 40k or Fantasy books in December because apparently a new army at Christmas time is a terrible way to make money?).

Historically when is the last time we have seen what 5 or 6? codexes in a single year? DA, Deamons, CSM, Tau, Eldar, and Space Marhines? Was DA this year or last?

rothrich wrote:
Poor poor orks... I guess its another 6+ month wait for us...

We can always hope these are wrong. I'd love to get that friggin GW ol try where we get some crazy new stuff

If Hive Guard gain Sky Fre and keep most current rules/stats, surely they'll get a fairly hefty points increase, something like 75 points I'd have thought, since they are one of about 3 units that are actually costed fairly/cheaply for that they can do on the current codex.

rothrich wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

rothrich wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 spacewolf407 wrote:
And finally GW decides to produce the mycetic spore.

Or they don't, since this rumor smells an awful lot like bologna. I'm sure they will when there's an actual Tyranid codex, but these rumors don't seem so savory.

Why do you think this is bologna? Purely speculating what 40k codex do you think we will see if not nids?

His argument is there is no room for another 40k codex this year, and he's correct. September is Space Marines, October is this super secret big box game that's either Blood Bowl or 28mm Inquisitor, and November is then a Fantasy month. Historically GW don't release anything in December other than Lord of the Rings/Hobbit games to coincide with the movie releases.

So Tyranids being out next for 40k and also this year means either there's no big box game so the Fanasy release moves to October, and Tyranids in November (possible... GW haven't released enough for a cycle to set a precedent), no Fantasy month (unlikely, GW alternate 40k/Fantasy book releases) or Tyranids in December (unlikely, GW don't release new 40k or Fantasy books in December because apparently a new army at Christmas time is a terrible way to make money?).

Historically when is the last time we have seen what 5 or 6? codexes in a single year? DA, Deamons, CSM, Tau, Eldar, and Space Marhines? Was DA this year or last?

Not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. The only way for another 40k codex to fit this year is either having it, or the fantasy release, alongside the big box game, or in december. GW has never released an army in december, at least as far as I can remember. That's when they do their megaforce 'deals'. They also have never, as far as I can remember, released two major products (ie codices or boxed games) together in one month. Going by historical release behaviour, there's just no more room this year for another 40k codex.

As you said, and other have, GW seems to be breaking trends. We even got, IIRC, the first edition since 2nd without Space Marines as the first codex. Things change - but those two are big limitations for another 40k codex this year.

rothrich wrote:

Historically when is the last time we have seen what 5 or 6? codexes in a single year? DA, Deamons, CSM, Tau, Eldar, and Space Marhines? Was DA this year or last?

Given that GW codex releases are much smaller affairs than they used to be, it is not a big deal to release 6 or more codicies per year. We all know that they do not spend much time on the books themselves.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:

Caederes wrote:


via Warseer
"MiyamatoMusashi
I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

75hastings69
Move the orks"

But move them where Hastings? I must know!

Agreed . But at least that would make them 1 of the next 2 40k codii!

 xttz wrote:
Personally, I really really hope the Dominatrix concept is kept back for an Imperial Armour book and a much-needed reboot of the Tyranid Forge World line.

This much, at least, I disagree with to a silly degree.

Release it in a codex.
Make it real or leave it out.

Maybe they will do what they did with BT and roll Orks into 'Nids and just call it Codex: Assaulty Hordes.

*shrug* If it's not November, it's probably January.

Given my existing collection, I feel like they'd have some difficulty making me buy a lot of new models. Then again, I thought that last time, and they created like 10 new units and got me for a few hundred.

In all seriousness they will probably get a special rule that allows them to run and assault, kinda like the eldar got with combat focus.

 kirsanth wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Personally, I really really hope the Dominatrix concept is kept back for an Imperial Armour book and a much-needed reboot of the Tyranid Forge World line.

This much, at least, I disagree with to a silly degree.

Release it in a codex.
Make it real or leave it out.

ITT I learn Hierophants aren't real units because they're not in a codex

 xttz wrote:
It's pretty easy to pick up several patterns from previous releases:
[...]
One of the following:

Re-done Warriors box with options for Shrikes, Prime, and all weapon options (discontinuing the £12 upgrade kit). GW won't care about invalidating the Forgeworld Shrike wings, they already did that fairly recently with the Flyrant.

OR

Re-done Genestealers box with options for a Ymgarl build and Broodlord. Probably reduced to 6 models per box.

My guess would be a redone biomorph or bioweapon sprue adding Boneswords and Lash Whips. The Prime being Finecost is already in the rumors (Making your first Prime is the gateway into the conversion hobby ) Redone Genstealers and Gaunts would make sense as some Biomorph options are gone and some Biomoweapon options reappeared.

 Kroothawk wrote:

[...]
Transportofex being one of the better options

We are wishing for this for 3 editions now. Hierodule would be the smaller version of the Hierophant also coming in CC and RA settings. Or Gw goes for maximum trolling with a one to one transition of the Exocrine.

Anything left from the Choochoo Train back into 2nd edition are indeed the Geenstealer Cults (,the Electricfield and Flamethrowers for Gargoyles but who wants those back ? ).

Ugly Green Trog wrote:

Caederes wrote:


via Warseer
"MiyamatoMusashi
I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

75hastings69
Move the orks"

But move them where Hastings? I must know!

I've been tracking tyranid rumors for what seems like forever, as I just can't get enough of my bugs. Here's what I think:

When 6th edition came out, there was some fancy get-together or gamesday or somesuch where some of the game designers were interviewed. Mind you, this was over a year ago, now. One of the things addressed was the tyranid codex, and how they were "in need of an update". With multiple people in the process saying it takes about 12 months to make a codex, that jumps us to a time frame near....now.

2nd - the "new big bug". About 6 months ago something sprung up on the interwebs over a tyranid creature that appeared in a card game - the cerebore. It was a large, almost larval looking tyranid whose only job was to shlep the smaller bugs across the table. I think this would be great for the game - we all complain that warriors and raveners and other T4 beasts w 3 wounds get instant-deathed by s8 weapons. If they were carried across the table by a T6, T7, or god-forbid, T8 bug, the units could then make it into close combat much easier. the mechanics are wishlisting, but the term 'cerebore' and it's battlefield role have merit.

-secondary to the above, the new hierophant biomorph page in the imperial armor apocalpyse gives it an option which creates it into a transport vehicle, with the assault vehicle rule and a capacity of 20. Again, precedent is now set for big bugs to carry smaller bugs. Keep this one in your minds, folks.

3rd - Hastings release schedule, which has been IMPECCABLE this year, says "move the orks". since we obviously can't move them backward, then we must push them ahead, which does leave nids as the NEXT updated codex. This means we should see more rumors, rules, and even photos around early-to mid october if the november release is true. Otherwise, they could release in January 2014 on or near their 4-year anniversary from the dung-pile which is the codex Cruddace wrote.


My 2c.

 xttz wrote:

 kirsanth wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Personally, I really really hope the Dominatrix concept is kept back for an Imperial Armour book and a much-needed reboot of the Tyranid Forge World line.

This much, at least, I disagree with to a silly degree.

Release it in a codex.
Make it real or leave it out.

ITT I learn Hierophants aren't real units because they're not in a codex

Yep. I have never seen one in a 40k game, let alone tourney.

Come to think of it, I have never even seen someone ask if it would be ok, because it is so blatantly not.

They are real enough from a fluff perspective, they could easily add them if they wanted to. Now granted a lot of the bigger 'nids really only should be in apoc. but as far as what could be added the 'nids really do have a lot of potential for new units.

 -Loki- wrote:
Customiseable creatures went too far. It's bad enough trying to remember what someones army can do, but when you can modify individual stats on them it becomes a nightmare for opponents (and cases of unintended cheating when someone forgets they didn't give an option to their unit).

Tyranids need a lot of their options back, but a standard profile for each unit is needed for ease of play.

That is so much BS. I am sorry, when I see people memorizing ALL the CHARTS, alot of codicies, No it's not so hard what someones army can do. I ask every turn what does this guy do again. You are so wrong here. SM, have so many options. Eldar have so many options. Tau have so many options. Etc etc etc. SM even have options to change stats. So how come it's ok for them to do it and not Tyranids?

Glad to know it is not just me, Davor.

I'm confused about the release schedule, I distinctly remember Hastings said SM or IG, followed by SM or IG (depending on who was updated first), and THEN Tyranids. Was there a change or am I just misremembering?

If Tyranids ARE next, I'm happy for Tyranid fans. That mono-competitive build must get real boring.

Just for the record:
Here the official pic of the Cerebore:

Here a scratchbuilt model by Lord Scythican:

 kirsanth wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Personally, I really really hope the Dominatrix concept is kept back for an Imperial Armour book and a much-needed reboot of the Tyranid Forge World line.

This much, at least, I disagree with to a silly degree.

Release it in a codex.
Make it real or leave it out.

The Dominatrix would never be released with such a stupid rogue-trader era name like that. Come on, dominatrix has a very sexual connotation which simply wouldn't fly in todays retail or toy world. It's a beyond absurd name since Nids don't even have a gender and the name was probably named due to someone having too much porn + beer at one time.

Let's bring the unit into apoc but give it a name that is serious.

That's like having a sisters of battle vehicle named after some kind of catholic teacher with big breasted armor fetish.. (sorry I am at a loss what a nun fetish is called)

Please dial the snark down; talk to each other, not at each other.

The only "heavy" infantry Tyranids have traditionally had are Tyrant Guards (and the Hive Guard, both in fluff & in model, is derivative of the Tyrant Guard). But Tyrant Guard aren't especially useful for themselves right now. It would be interesting if you could field them more like a unit of Warlocks.

The Doom is doomed; no way he keeps anything like his current rules (if he survives at all - when was the last sighting of The Red Terror?).

Genestealers need something - a price break to start with, and then something like the previously mentioned "Assault Focus." The whole army, actually, has a bit of an issue - Tyranids are now significantly slower than Slaaenshi Daemons & Eldar armies. If Tyranids are to remain close-range-oriented, they need a collection of fast-moving threats. Right now, I'm using Gargoyles to fill that niche, coupled with Ymgarl/the Doom/a Flyrant. But 'stealers should be in the conversation.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's a beyond absurd name since Nids don't even have a gender and the name was probably named due to someone having too much porn + beer at one time.

Angry women are OK, but dominant ones are not?

I kid!

Mostly.

The names are pretty absurd, always have been.

 Kirasu wrote:
The Dominatrix would never be released with such a stupid rogue-trader era name like that. Come on, dominatrix has a very sexual connotation which simply wouldn't fly in todays retail or toy world. It's a beyond absurd name since Nids don't even have a gender and the name was probably named due to someone having too much porn + beer at one time.

You know, many of the Tyranid names are words that mean a woman in some manner

Termagant, Harridan, Harpy, Hierodule, Viragon, and Dominatrix are all words specifically referring to women in some manner; most mean a scornful or evil woman.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
The Dominatrix would never be released with such a stupid rogue-trader era name like that. Come on, dominatrix has a very sexual connotation which simply wouldn't fly in todays retail or toy world. It's a beyond absurd name since Nids don't even have a gender and the name was probably named due to someone having too much porn + beer at one time.

You know, many of the Tyranid names are words that mean a woman in some manner

Termagant, Harridan, Harpy, Hierodule, Viragon, and Dominatrix are all words specifically referring to women in some manner; most mean a scornful or evil woman.

That would certainly go with the whole "ravenously consume until nothing but a lifeless husk remains" theme that the nids've got going.
Guess someone on the writing team has had at least one divorce.