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 tetrisphreak wrote:

davethepak wrote:

Regarding the rumors of a "big bug" and some people being concerned that it would be "too big" to fit on a large oval base, my friends and i recently stuck a hierodule (the smaller of the fw big bugs) on an oval base, and to be honest, it did not look out of place or too big (yes, I know, that is subjective). I think it won't be too far out of the question that they have a bit of room to "grow" so to speak regarding big bug options.

Before the Tyrannofex kit was created, I used my Hierodules (barbed as rupture cannon, scythed as acid spray) as tyrranofexes by doing exactly that. Their feet fit on the span of the oval base and their bodies/tails hang over the edge, but not so much as to appear awkward.

I still do use my Hierodules for Tervigons/Tyrannofex. I have an official Tervigon but I really am not a fan of how damn fidgety the thing is to build, nevermind paint.

On page 27 from the Space Marine Codex, there's a Huge Tyranid monster in the background of the art.

Is it a known beast or is it possibly one of our new toys?

If you mean the art with Calgar (I have different page numbers due to eBook), that's old art that was already in previous SM codexes, I doubt it signifies any kind of new 'Nid gribbly.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect Easter eggs.

Also, people need to stop thinking the last page of the White Dwarf means anything. GW hasn't used that page as a "look what's next" advert for almost a year now.

 brassangel wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't expect Easter eggs.

Also, people need to stop thinking the last page of the White Dwarf means anything. GW hasn't used that page as a "look what's next" advert for almost a year now.

Seriously. It has nothing to do with anything besides "look at this cool picture!" and people here forget that every month. Remember "There's a Thunderhawk on the last page! It must mean a plastic one next month!" which, well, we all know didn't happen.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't expect Easter eggs.

Also, people need to stop thinking the last page of the White Dwarf means anything. GW hasn't used that page as a "look what's next" advert for almost a year now.

Seriously. It has nothing to do with anything besides "look at this cool picture!" and people here forget that every month. Remember "There's a Thunderhawk on the last page! It must mean a plastic one next month!" which, well, we all know didn't happen.

Right? I think last November we received a parting shot of Gandalf giving us the wink, but that's because it was already blatantly obvious The Hobbit stuff was coming (with release of the film). Since then, we've had nothing like that. Yet every issue comes out, gets reviewed on a website, and the comments below are filled with people asking, "so what was inside the back cover?" or stating, "the only thing I care about is what's on the last page."

BACK ON TOPIC: With the Dark Elves getting a bigger than normal release, are some earlier suspicions of a larger Tyranids (and Orks) release possible?

Dark Elves are a special case, because most units are still metal/finecast. Tyranids have the problem that essential units have no model at all though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Elves are a special case, because most units are still metal/finecast. Tyranids have the problem that essential units have no model at all though.

Being metal/finecast didn't get GW to update Aspect Warriors though.

Just saying.

I know there are talks of those models getting updated to plastic eventually (and what better way to extend 6th edition than with Supplements that port old models to plastic). I can't imagine Dark Elves, a tertiary faction in Warhammer Fantasy (a dying game), are getting the super special treatment everybody wants for every army. If they are, then great! It gives everyone else more to look forward to.

I don't know much about WHFB, but it sounds like Dark Elves are in the same situation as the Dark Eldar were, which would be why they'd get a substantial release. As in, the entire Dark Eldar range was so old, hideous, and paltry that the only option was to entirely redo the entire range, rather than redo parts of it and keep old parts, the most common thing GW do when they update an army.

EDIT:
OH NO

DEAR GOD


Much better.

So has the rumor-mill suggested if GW will offer a Strike-Force, proper bundle for Tyranid as they just did for SM? It might not have been perfect, but the deep discount off retail pushed me over into buying it, and i'd gladly do the same for Tyranid.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So has the rumor-mill suggested if GW will offer a Strike-Force, proper bundle for Tyranid as they just did for SM? It might not have been perfect, but the deep discount off retail pushed me over into buying it, and i'd gladly do the same for Tyranid.

40k Radio said every army would be getting their own version of it, yes.

ClockworkZion wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So has the rumor-mill suggested if GW will offer a Strike-Force, proper bundle for Tyranid as they just did for SM? It might not have been perfect, but the deep discount off retail pushed me over into buying it, and i'd gladly do the same for Tyranid.

40k Radio said every army would be getting their own version of it, yes.

Yummy... My wife and I had a hope to slowly build SM, Ork, and Tyranid armies by the end of 2014.... these Strike-Forces help make that much more likely. Even without knowing about discounters, I spent as much on a Codex and SM Strike-Force as I have thrown at many a crappy miniature-centric Kickstarter... so that isn't a ridiculous cost-of-entry for me. :-)

You've made my day!

The question mark with Delves isn't with need, it's whether that list is realistic given production limitations.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I don't know much about WHFB, but it sounds like Dark Elves are in the same situation as the Dark Eldar were, which would be why they'd get a substantial release. As in, the entire Dark Eldar range was so old, hideous, and paltry that the only option was to entirely redo the entire range, rather than redo parts of it and keep old parts, the most common thing GW do when they update an army.

EDIT:
OH NO

DEAR GOD


Much better.

That was a valid assumption to make back when GW took 6-8 months between army releases. Now that they are going every other month per system, that's hardly possible.

Dark Elves also received a relatively late update in 7th edition. To avoid another ChapterHouse fiasco, GW has explicitly stated that having every unit in a codex/army book represented by models was more important than updating old models (for the time being). Eventually the older kits would get a refresh. That opens the door for a steady ivy drip of releases to extend an edition (an idea they thankfully took from PP, and are executing better, quite frankly).

The strike force thing will be a welcome update. A nice way to save a little bit on the entry cost - which is really GW's biggest drawback. Model-for-model, the top companies are all equally expensive. GW just makes better stuff. Entry cost with GW is absurd, however, because these games require armies, not just 12-model skirmishes. People will surely gripe if it's not the exact composition they want, and/or blame GW for trying to push crappy units on us. Really they just want to include variety, because not everyone wants a copy + paste spam kit out of the box. That doesn't even function very well in the primary through tertiary objective-based 6th edition anyway.

 brassangel wrote:
a steady ivy drip

I hate to be that guy, but it's IV drip. As in intravenous, not plants that grow on the outside of buildings.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Elves are a special case, because most units are still metal/finecast. Tyranids have the problem that essential units have no model at all though.

The only 'essential' units that have no model are the Mycetic Spore and Doom of Malan'tai (parasite doesn't either, but it's hardly an essential unit). Ymgarls are Genestealers with feeder tendrils now, and Primes are just Warriors (which is why they share a profile and fluff page with Warriors and Shrikes).

 brassangel wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I don't know much about WHFB, but it sounds like Dark Elves are in the same situation as the Dark Eldar were, which would be why they'd get a substantial release. As in, the entire Dark Eldar range was so old, hideous, and paltry that the only option was to entirely redo the entire range, rather than redo parts of it and keep old parts, the most common thing GW do when they update an army.

That was a valid assumption to make back when GW took 6-8 months between army releases. Now that they are going every other month per system, that's hardly possible.

It's much less possible to have two substantial updates (Dark Elves and Tyranids, supposedly) when there is no actual need. Unless Dark Elves have a great deal missing from their Codex, of course, but I can't speak for that because I don't know WHFB. Still, if the rumour that Dark Elves are getting a big update is true, it must be because of something. Every other month per system makes it even less likely for two large updates. It's also hardly impossible, either - just because it's all Games Workshop doesn't mean they can't have separate teams working on separate armies. Still, I do doubt it.

 brassangel wrote:

Dark Elves also received a relatively late update in 7th edition. To avoid another ChapterHouse fiasco, GW has explicitly stated that having every unit in a codex/army book represented by models was more important than updating old models (for the time being). Eventually the older kits would get a refresh. That opens the door for a steady ivy drip of releases to extend an edition (an idea they thankfully took from PP, and are executing better, quite frankly).

Tyranids don't need a substantial release to fill in the gaps, and plenty of the minis - while not beautiful - are useable. Nothing points to a big Tyranid release specifically. I'm not saying that it can't happen, but that a large Dark Elf release is an indication of nothing.

Unless GW has decided to make all releases really big, but I don't see that happening.

EDIT:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Elves are a special case, because most units are still metal/finecast. Tyranids have the problem that essential units have no model at all though.

The only 'essential' units that have no model are the Mycetic Spore and Doom of Malan'tai (parasite doesn't either, but it's hardly an essential unit). Ymgarls are Genestealers with feeder tendrils now, and Primes are just Warriors (which is why they share a profile and fluff page with Warriors and Shrikes).

Let's not forget, the Doom is easily converted from a Zoanthrope, being a Zoanthrope special character. The Parasite is reasonably easy to convert as well, being a winged Warrior with a funny tail. The biggest gap in the Codex is the Harpy.

EDIT2: Having read through my Codex, here is the list of units that lack models: Warrior Prime, The Parasite of Mortrex, Shrikes (All easily converted from Warriors); The Doom of Malan'tai (easily converted from a Zoanthrope - even a Zoan with lightning painted on it would be fine); Sky-Slashers (oh god, who even cares?); Harpy (Not a big deal, but is definitely missing a model); Ymgarl Genestealers (If you can say that. Just use Genestealers. Give them Feeder Tendrils. Seriously.).

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
a steady ivy drip

I hate to be that guy, but it's IV drip. As in intravenous, not plants that grow on the outside of buildings.

It was probably an autocorrect error.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
EDIT2: Having read through my Codex, here is the list of units that lack models: Warrior Prime, The Parasite of Mortrex, Shrikes (All easily converted from Warriors); The Doom of Malan'tai (easily converted from a Zoanthrope - even a Zoan with lightning painted on it would be fine); Sky-Slashers (oh god, who even cares?); Harpy (Not a big deal, but is definitely missing a model); Ymgarl Genestealers (If you can say that. Just use Genestealers. Give them Feeder Tendrils. Seriously.).

Out of those - Warrior Prime > Warrior. Use that kit. Shrikes > Forgeworld sell a conversion kit. Sky Slashers > Forgeworld sell them. Ymgarls > Genestealers with Feeder Tendrils.

The only actual missing units not sold by GW in any capacity are the Doom, Parasite, Harpy and Mycetic Spore. Only two of those could be clased as 'essential' right now.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
EDIT2: Having read through my Codex, here is the list of units that lack models: Warrior Prime, The Parasite of Mortrex, Shrikes (All easily converted from Warriors); The Doom of Malan'tai (easily converted from a Zoanthrope - even a Zoan with lightning painted on it would be fine); Sky-Slashers (oh god, who even cares?); Harpy (Not a big deal, but is definitely missing a model); Ymgarl Genestealers (If you can say that. Just use Genestealers. Give them Feeder Tendrils. Seriously.).

Out of those - Warrior Prime > Warrior. Use that kit. Shrikes > Forgeworld sell a conversion kit. Sky Slashers > Forgeworld sell them. Ymgarls > Genestealers with Feeder Tendrils.

The only actual missing units not sold by GW in any capacity are the Doom, Parasite, Harpy and Mycetic Spore. Only two of those could be clased as 'essential' right now.

I was stressing how easily accessed they all are, without using Forge World. Actually, I think the only one that reasonably requires Forge World is the Sky-Slashers - but seriously, who cares about Sky-Slashers? Furthermore, the Doom of Malan'tai is just a fancy Zoanthrope. Do just about anything to make it stand out and nobody will question you for calling it the Doom of Malan'tai. The Parasite is essentially a Shrike with a spiked tail, which is simple.

What I was saying was that the Harpy (although I had forgotten about the Mycetic Spore) is the only Tyranid unit truly lacking a model that isn't easily converted from something else - which does not warrant a supposed 'big' release. Unless 6E Nids are getting a massive amount of new units, but I highly doubt that. Also, as you pointed out, adding in Forge World makes this minor gap in the range even smaller.

People talked about how the Dark Elves are rumoured to get a big release. As I said before, I got the impression that the Dark Elves are currently in a similar state to pre-5th Dark Eldar - not only missing models, but all existing models being completely hideous and terrible. In other words, I got the impression that Dark Elves are in dire need of a big release, to fill gaps in and refresh their current range while also adding new units, probably. Tyranids are not in this situation. I mean, I would count Old One Eye as being 'completely hideous and terrible' - but I don't think anyone would object to an Old One Eye conversion from the actual Carnifex kit, if for some reason I desired to use it.

One of the heads on the current Carnifex sprue is Old One Eye.

I don't think that GW have ever said that, It was always just refered to as the 'Regeneration Biomorph Upgrade Head' at the time of release.

But yeah it makes a perfect head for OOE..

 Janthkin wrote:
One of the heads on the current Carnifex sprue is Old One Eye.

I always thought it was a regeneration bio morph. It could be used as OOE, but then again, that head has 2 eyes.

Now wouldn't it be cool to have an actual Carnifex half bones, half Carnifex to represent regeneration instead of just the head?

Old One Eye is the origin of the regeneration biomorph, so all Carnifexes with regeneration heads descent from him and probably look similar. So it is safe to assume that OOE had a similar head. The head BTW has only one functioning eye plus one empty eye socket.

 Janthkin wrote:
One of the heads on the current Carnifex sprue is Old One Eye.

Here is pic....

Why are these posts in the rumors thread?

Okay, I will take my info elsewhere...

Isn't the top one just a StarCraft Ultralisk?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
"Es gab Gerüchte, dass wir in der letzten Zeit sehen werden würde eine sehr große Art von Modell für Tyraniden veröffentlicht. Eine Quelle hat bestätigt Gerüchte waren falsch, und dass die große Tyraniden bei GW Studios gesehen mag das Konzept-Modell in einem größeren Maßstab haben."

Just for the record: This is not German, but some raw google translate from English using German words.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
EDIT2: Having read through my Codex, here is the list of units that lack models: Warrior Prime, The Parasite of Mortrex, Shrikes (All easily converted from Warriors); The Doom of Malan'tai (easily converted from a Zoanthrope - even a Zoan with lightning painted on it would be fine); Sky-Slashers (oh god, who even cares?); Harpy (Not a big deal, but is definitely missing a model); Ymgarl Genestealers (If you can say that. Just use Genestealers. Give them Feeder Tendrils. Seriously.).

Out of those - Warrior Prime > Warrior. Use that kit. Shrikes > Forgeworld sell a conversion kit. Sky Slashers > Forgeworld sell them. Ymgarls > Genestealers with Feeder Tendrils.

The only actual missing units not sold by GW in any capacity are the Doom, Parasite, Harpy and Mycetic Spore. Only two of those could be clased as 'essential' right now.

I was stressing how easily accessed they all are, without using Forge World. Actually, I think the only one that reasonably requires Forge World is the Sky-Slashers - but seriously, who cares about Sky-Slashers? Furthermore, the Doom of Malan'tai is just a fancy Zoanthrope. Do just about anything to make it stand out and nobody will question you for calling it the Doom of Malan'tai. The Parasite is essentially a Shrike with a spiked tail, which is simple.

What I was saying was that the Harpy (although I had forgotten about the Mycetic Spore) is the only Tyranid unit truly lacking a model that isn't easily converted from something else - which does not warrant a supposed 'big' release. Unless 6E Nids are getting a massive amount of new units, but I highly doubt that. Also, as you pointed out, adding in Forge World makes this minor gap in the range even smaller.

People talked about how the Dark Elves are rumoured to get a big release. As I said before, I got the impression that the Dark Elves are currently in a similar state to pre-5th Dark Eldar - not only missing models, but all existing models being completely hideous and terrible. In other words, I got the impression that Dark Elves are in dire need of a big release, to fill gaps in and refresh their current range while also adding new units, probably. Tyranids are not in this situation. I mean, I would count Old One Eye as being 'completely hideous and terrible' - but I don't think anyone would object to an Old One Eye conversion from the actual Carnifex kit, if for some reason I desired to use it.

Nice, in theory, but GW has made it (since 6th edition) that no unit represented in a codex requires a conversion. They aren't going to stiff Tyranids with a bunch of "you must convert them to play them" models just because it can be done. They aren't going to make me buy Gargoyles or a Forgeworld kit just to convert my Warriors to Shrikes. Old One Eye may remain, as it is the model for Old One Eye, ugly though it may be, because they will focus their efforts on providing models that don't otherwise exist. I could see an argument for them getting rid of it in favor of declaring the broken head and Crushing Claws exclusively his, but I doubt it happens.

The Tyranid Prime will get its own model.

The Special Characters will get their own models.

That's GW's style NOW. Maybe it wasn't in the past, and maybe some of you (who don't know better) think because a head swap can represent a model, that's how they will leave it. I promise you they will ensure every model is represented by something you can buy on it's own. Even if it comes from a plastic kit (e.g. Swarmlord, WHFB Karl Franz), it will have its' own bitz.