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On second thought:
Why are there leaked pics and complete release lists of the complete Dark Elf release, when half of it is in November? Most leaks are from WD pics, and WD October wouldn't reveal November releases.
So I count on Tyranids in November.

 Souleater wrote:
Could the mods update the title of this thread, please?

Actually the first post is constantly updated, just not with off topic release schedule posts that sound too dubious.

I don't know

since 40K radio has a source that slipped them an early codex copy there are clearly non-WD leaks too

not impossible somebody within GW is slipping out photos & release lists

 Kroothawk wrote:
On second thought:
Why are there leaked pics and complete release lists of the complete Dark Elf release, when half of it is in November? Most leaks are from WD pics, and WD October wouldn't reveal November releases.
So I count on Tyranids in November.

THIS!!!

This just cements the fact that GW do not spread the releases out anymore.

DE are getting something in the region of seven boxes and a handful of clamshells, right?

Tau got MORE than this on their release and didn't have a release split.

Riptide.
XV8 reissue.
Flyer.
Battleforce.
Pathfinders.
Broadside.
Crisis Commander.
Farsight.
Hammerhead/Skyray reissue.

Fire Warrior Commander.
That Nintendo guy - Miyamoto?
The Tank Commander.
And I think an Ethereal.

Sorry Tim(?) but that rumour seems false.

Very false to me, why would gw have a double month on a not very popular army when spacemarines that out sell every other thing gw sell only get 1 month.
Wfb is really not as popular as fantasy players believe it is!

Logistically (ie getting the stock to the stores) and in terms of potential buyers having cash available the might feel doing a double month reveal is the right way to go

especially with UK gamesday where they'll want to have a big reveal (who knows they might even reveal the 2nd lot a month in advance)

Yes WFB is not as popular, but it does still sell a lot making them stacks of money and the Dark Elves really are in need of a major re-vamp

a guaranteed double month ? no

but it's certainly plausible

(they've not done it before, but they've done a whole raft of new things in the last 12 months from very rapid codex releases, eBooks, codex supplements, lots of new video deals and killing the specialist games range)

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Could the mods update the title of this thread, please?

Actually the first post is constantly updated, just not with off topic release schedule posts that sound too dubious.

With respect, there was quite a gap between 28th August and 19th September. Putting the date of the latest update into the title would help folks.

Notwithstanding that, I am very grateful for your collation of information.

Wasn't a lot of the Marine sprues stamped with a 2012 copyright date? Meaning that a lot of the work for that release was done last year so its possible GW have a lot of new plastic presses already made and more importantly already paid for?

Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

The commander and far-sight were both new models. As far as new models they got:
Commander,
Farsight,
Riptide,
Flyer,
Broadside,
Pathfinders,
Darkstrider,
Longstrike,
Fireblade,
Farsight enclave shoulder pads.

And others into finecast, all of that was at release too.

DufenDorgen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

The commander and far-sight were both new models. As far as new models they got:
Commander,
Farsight,
Riptide,
Flyer,
Broadside,
Pathfinders,
Darkstrider,
Longstrike,
Fireblade,
Farsight enclave shoulder pads.

And others into finecast, all of that was at release too.

Yes, but the point is not about the number of unique sculpts, but the number of unique molds for plastic kits, which are far larger investments and do have a monthly "sprue budget" of how many they can produce.
Tau had the:
riptide- 2 tank sprues
Flier- 2 tank Sprues
Broadside- IIRC single 2 frame infantry sprue
Pathfinders- IIRC single 3 frame infantry sprue.
6 unique sprues total.

Cadre Fireblade was a mini-sprue character, which barring Marines seem to have 1-2 per release.

Commander, Farsight, Darkstrider, Longstrike, and the Farsight pads are all finecast, which are separate from the plastic production.

Space Marines had:
Centurions- Looks like a single 3 frame infantry sprue
Hunter/Stalker- 1 tank sprue plus existing Rhino parts
Tac Squad- 3 frame infantry sprue
Sternguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry Sprue
Vanguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry sprue.

5 unique sprues

3 plastic mini-sprue characters

No finecast.


Going by the rumors, and precedent for fantasy kits,
Monster and Chariot will be 2 large sprues each.
Infantry will be 2-3 frame single sprue kits.

Rough guess puts that at 9+ unique sprues for the release, plus any mini-sprues and any finecast which are separate.




How did we get on this debate in the Nid thread again?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

The commander and far-sight were both new models. As far as new models they got:
Commander,
Farsight,
Riptide,
Flyer,
Broadside,
Pathfinders,
Darkstrider,
Longstrike,
Fireblade,
Farsight enclave shoulder pads.

And others into finecast, all of that was at release too.

Yes, but the point is not about the number of unique sculpts, but the number of unique molds for plastic kits, which are far larger investments and do have a monthly "sprue budget" of how many they can produce.
Tau had the:
riptide- 2 tank sprues
Flier- 2 tank Sprues
Broadside- IIRC single 2 frame infantry sprue
Pathfinders- IIRC single 3 frame infantry sprue.
6 unique sprues total.

Cadre Fireblade was a mini-sprue character, which barring Marines seem to have 1-2 per release.

Commander, Farsight, Darkstrider, Longstrike, and the Farsight pads are all finecast, which are separate from the plastic production.

Space Marines had:
Centurions- Looks like a single 3 frame infantry sprue
Hunter/Stalker- 1 tank sprue plus existing Rhino parts
Tac Squad- 3 frame infantry sprue
Sternguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry Sprue
Vanguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry sprue.

5 unique sprues

3 plastic mini-sprue characters

No finecast.


Going by the rumors, and precedent for fantasy kits,
Monster and Chariot will be 2 large sprues each.
Infantry will be 2-3 frame single sprue kits.

Rough guess puts that at 9+ unique sprues for the release, plus any mini-sprues and any finecast which are separate.




How did we get on this debate in the Nid thread again?

Because the rumor of Dark Elves eating up two months is a part of what originally pushed the rumored Tyranid release into January.

That, and we haven't had much else concerning Tyranids to talk about. Some bits about a Warzone or Ultramarines Supplement came out today.

EDIT: Pushed the discussion back, not the release itself.

Newest rumors seem to have brought back the mystery box (Inquisitor) game, and further confirm Tyranids coming in January.

Sad faces? Happy faces? I guess it means 40k will technically still receive something in November.

40K Inquisitor? Interesting if it comes with Really Cool scenery perhaps, but as a standalone game it's not something I'd spend money on.

I really was hoping for Nidvember, or even Orkvember :(

A standalone Inquisitor game would be great, because it'll give me another month to build some Infinity terrain and save for the Tyranid release.

This isn't bad news, really. It was interesting to watch the November vs. January release jockeying for position. November made a strong push late, but seems to have been cut out from underneath with this last batch of rumors.

Awww.....

Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Saw the "Trailer" up for Dark Elves on GW"s website, thought it was about Tyranids initially.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Do you really think they "forgot" about them? Like, GW sat in a room and started working on codices and went, "Oh crap! We forgot about the Orks? Oh well...let's just do them later."

They have FO entries without models, and some kits which are absurdly old. I imagine they will get a slightly bigger release if all of that is to be filled, plus new models. If current rumors hold true, you may be waiting until May, I suppose. Hardly that long considering how fast time seems to go when following a GW release calendar anymore.

 brassangel wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Do you really think they "forgot" about them? Like, GW sat in a room and started working on codices and went, "Oh crap! We forgot about the Orks? Oh well...let's just do them later."

They have FO entries without models, and some kits which are absurdly old. I imagine they will get a slightly bigger release if all of that is to be filled, plus new models. If current rumors hold true, you may be waiting until May, I suppose. Hardly that long considering how fast time seems to go when following a GW release calendar anymore.

And thats my point. Newer armies with newer models getting new stuff first.

well if you're speculating that they have loads needing replaced including vehicals they're going to need one of the brand new double months

so it makes sense that they're going to have to be next year, there's just not time for them this year (they had to make space for something from fantasy after all)

One thing I've heard on the grapevine this evening (add salt if necessary) is that the mutable genus stuff is making a comeback.

This was in 3rd ed and from it, you could make obscene Nid units from a select few mutable unit types like Tyrants, Carnifex, Warriors and Gaunts.

The rules are to be expanded for every unit choice and from there you can make an army with a great deal of customisation.

You want a Carnifex to have a 2+ sv... totally possible.
You want a unit of warriors to each have a Venom Cannon... yup, you can now.

Each Tyranid modelling option will once again have a rule attached to it and the points to add these options are in the unit entries and not in some shady corner of the codex.

Like Tusks for Carnifex and a biomorph that boosts a models ranged abilities.

I'm not sure if my source is being as credible as usual as he knows I'm collecting this army and it sounds waaaay too good to be true.

So take this as you will.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Do you really think they "forgot" about them? Like, GW sat in a room and started working on codices and went, "Oh crap! We forgot about the Orks? Oh well...let's just do them later."

They have FO entries without models, and some kits which are absurdly old. I imagine they will get a slightly bigger release if all of that is to be filled, plus new models. If current rumors hold true, you may be waiting until May, I suppose. Hardly that long considering how fast time seems to go when following a GW release calendar anymore.

And thats my point. Newer armies with newer models getting new stuff first.

It's armies that didn't really need a ton of work getting the business first. Some of the old models in those armies will likely come with appropriate supplements later on.

Orks have a lot of both, and will likely have quite a few Supplements for Klans. Furthermore, it's possible GW wants their release to coincide with some sort of Apocalypse Warzone, and/or an army they are notorious for fighting against. Maybe an IG supplement, or a particular Marine chapter supplement. Whatever the case, if it's anything like the other 6th ed books, it will be awesome.

For all we know, they are having sculpting issues, CAD issues, and/or rules design issues. It's not just about tweaking existing rules. If you haven't noticed, every army also gets something new. I just feel Orks have a lot that needs to be done, are probably already in the works, but will take a little extra time. It's all good if it's done correctly.

ON TOPIC: I'm interested to know if Kroothawk still thinks Tyranids are coming in November. Not to heckle him, but because I was really hopeful for a November release.

I don't think Kroot agrees with the January release.

I for one agree with him... to a point.

Thing is, there are so many rumours flying around.

The 40k skirmish game and the alleged two month release plan for Dark Elves throws everything into question.

I've heard rumours personally that say Nids November and others say Nids January. I've also heard about the skirmish game, but the only place that I've heard about the double DE release is online.

My educated guess is that there is no double DE release and that the skirmish game "could" be November. But my Spider sense is telling me that GW won't release a skirmish game so close to Hobbit.

I'm going with Nidvember.

I'm going to convince my self of a January release, so if nidvember does happen, its a cheeky end of the year bonus.

I would also love this to be true, but my gut tells me it's unlikely. Mainly just because it would probably end up giving Nid players some options that would be overpowering. Making a "build-your-own" kinda rules thing would just probably leave open too many options that could be combined in broken ways. I think it's just the nature of a system with as many variables as 40K.

That said, if they threw it in and it wasn't all that powerful (even weak) I'd still be happy, as it'd give a great excuse for some really intense conversions. I could care less about getting destroyed in a battle if my bugs looked cool as heck doing it

I guess we'll see soon(ish) enough?

-C6

Puscifer wrote:
One thing I've heard on the grapevine this evening (add salt if necessary) is that the mutable genus stuff is making a comeback.

This was in 3rd ed and from it, you could make obscene Nid units from a select few mutable unit types like Tyrants, Carnifex, Warriors and Gaunts.

The rules are to be expanded for every unit choice and from there you can make an army with a great deal of customisation.

You want a Carnifex to have a 2+ sv... totally possible.
You want a unit of warriors to each have a Venom Cannon... yup, you can now.

Each Tyranid modelling option will once again have a rule attached to it and the points to add these options are in the unit entries and not in some shady corner of the codex.

Like Tusks for Carnifex and a biomorph that boosts a models ranged abilities.

I'm not sure if my source is being as credible as usual as he knows I'm collecting this army and it sounds waaaay too good to be true.

So take this as you will.

I want to believe it too.

It's characterful, but it screams to me that it's the opposite of the direction that GW are taking with 40k.

There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

Maybe codex in November and models in January?

Meh, doubt that.

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.